The Patriots vs Jets POST Game Thread

jsull87 said:

Say what you want but Rex Ryan is one hell of a defensive football coach

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I don't agree.
He's competent at best. What he has going for him is that he has just the right personnel to match up against our achilles heel offense, he's bright enough to realize it and singularly motivated against BB.
His below par DBs are just good enough to match up against our WRs for brief periods of time. It only needs to be brief because he like the Giants & a few other teams has a 4 man solid pass rushing DL capable of both up the middle quick pressure and edge rushing. Throw in a few well considered blitzes taking advantage of the well known fact that the deep ball is pretty much off the table and the action will be in the short middle and you have a winning formula if you have the players.

Aside, I did notice that Gronk tended to be well covered. Looked slow for him and was most often well covered.

rlcarr said:

So what was the deal with that first down? Was the issue that to the home viewers it looked short when it was measured due to camera parallax but was really a first down (and then the ref was lame about signalling it to the rest of the crew in time)?

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That whole sequence was so weird. I was at the game, and the spot looked short of the marker, but then they signalled first down, but forgot to tell the guys with the chains, so the Pats were thinking 1st down, but the chains (and the announcer) said 4th down. Then, when they showed the replay, it seemed clear that Bolden had made the first down, but they gave him a bad spot (it seemed to show he was just beyond the orange marker on the sideline grass when he was brought down). So when Rex challenged the spot, there was no way he could really win the challenge (because the original spot WAS bad, but in Rex's favor), and he blew one of his timeouts. Thanks Rex and refs. And what was up with that penalty for interfering with a fair catch? Did the guy actually signal for one? I did not see it at the game and when they showed a replay (really of just the catch and the guy turning around as he caught it) there was no signal. Did he actually make a fair catch signal?

PatsDeb said:

And what was up with that penalty for interfering with a fair catch? Did the guy actually signal for one? I did not see it at the game and when they showed a replay (really of just the catch and the guy turning around as he caught it) there was no signal. Did he actually make a fair catch signal?

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He did signal for a fair catch, but after he did he ran backwards a good 5 yards before actually catching the punt.

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Archeryaddict12 said:

Was 100% not Brady's fault. Try again

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I'm confused as to how anyone could think Tommy is blameless on that play. Yes, he was under pressure, but it was still terribly off target and it wasn't like the rusher hit his arm or something that drastic, it was just a panic throw.

I suppose you could be trying to say it was LaFell who ran the wrong route, but that doesn't pass the mustard either. Even if Jojo was supposed to just sit down (which sounds ridiculous to me, but I'll play along), the throw should still have been to the outside, not inside where the defender was.

Unless there is something I'm totally missing, the pick responsibility pie breaks down like 25% blocking and 75% Brady.

A man named Brady said:

Rex does the same thing every time. Flood the middle of the field and force Brady to make perfect throws to beat coverage inside or try deep. This is effective because

1. We have little talent at wr
2. He can get pressure with just 4 guys
3. We don't have a good offensive line

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Why do people keep saying this? The Jets are the furthest thing from a "just rush 4 guys" approach as you get in the NFL. Overload blitzes, zone blitzes... even when they just rush 4 it is rarely the basic four men up front. That's what really gives NE's fits, not just that NY's DL are excellent, but you have to deal with that while also accounting for all these other potential rushers.

stcjones said:

Well said....and this is why unfortunately the Pats will fall short again this year....here's #4.....WE can't get any PRESSURE on the opposing QB....

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Another puzzling comment considering that NE rarely busts out the pass rush mojo against mobile QBs, and the heavy fronts used against NY slowed down the rush even more. Do you really think NE would approach Manning, Big Ben or Flacco the same way?

Deus Irae said:

It's a message board. If everyone did what the homers want, and just said "Yay, they won!", this place would shut down in a week. What's hilarious is the notion that people should, somehow, be cheering about yesterday's game for anything beyond getting the bye.

They were a blocked FG away from a likely loss to a 3-11 Jets team, in a week 16 contest when they were 11-3 going in. It's not spoiled to be discussing that game as if there was a lot to worry about. It's common sense.

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Read Kennyb and get back to me...like I said, hilarious.

BelizePats said:

How is the above comment in any way productive or adding to intelligent discourse? I'm happy they won but there were some alarming issues in the game that are real.

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As compared to...

Denver, who got absolutely crushed by the Rams?
Baltimore, who got beat by Houston?
Pittsburgh, who lost to the Jets?
Indy, who got buried and kicked to the curb yesterday?
Cinci, who got shut out by Indy and got crushed by the Browns?
San Diego, who got beat 37-0 by the Dolphins?

And note that all of those teams got clobbered by New England, except Pitt and Baltimore, who won't make the tournament, likely.

You see the same thing in the NFC - Eagles losing to Washington, Dallas losing to Washington, etc.

Only team I'd put ahead of New England right now is...maybe...Seattle.

Th Pats were missing their LG, top WR and #1 RB yesterday, and playing a team that plays them to the wire EVERY TIME (except butt-fumble game). 1-1 against the Jets last year.

Only thing I learned yesterday was that the Jets still play hard for Rex.

50-yard-line said:

Read Kennyb and get back to me...like I said, hilarious.

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But you didn't limit your comment to him. I thought you were making a broader statement and, if that's the case, you should look at some of the homer posts for some real comedy.

PatsWickedPissah said:

I don't agree.
He's competent at best. What he has going for him is that he has just the right personnel to match up against our achilles heel offense, he's bright enough to realize it and singularly motivated against BB.
His below par DBs are just good enough to match up against our WRs for brief periods of time. It only needs to be brief because he like the Giants & a few other teams has a 4 man solid pass rushing DL capable of both up the middle quick pressure and edge rushing. Throw in a few well considered blitzes taking advantage of the well known fact that the deep ball is pretty much off the table and the action will be in the short middle and you have a winning formula if you have the players.

Aside, I did notice that Gronk tended to be well covered. Looked slow for him and was most often well covered.

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I think you are really not giving him the credit he's due. He's a douche. But he comes up against Brady and BB every year twice a year with a sub par team and QB. For a couple of years there with that sub par QB he got his teams through to the AFCCG.

You are entitled to your opinion. But the guy can coach defence but is not cut out to be a HC.

Deus Irae said:

you should look at some of the homer posts for some real comedy.

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Thank you!

I will admit that my worries about the OL have resurfaced in a big way. After the KC game, I was just about ready to write the season off, on the grounds that this OL was going to get Brady killed. They stabilized after that, and I do think that Vollmer and Stork have both played very well, but the past few weeks have trended pretty strongly in the wrong direction. I do think that it's the achilles heel of this current team, and winning a SB vs. going home empty-handed will be mostly a question of whether or not we can mask it vs. watch it get exposed.

Going into the offseason, I think that LG and RG are two of the top needs on this team. Our guards just aren't good. I still think that Solder's probably fine with a better LG next to him--maybe not the guy that we hoped he would develop into, but a capable starter for sure--but I hope the Pats address both guard spots in FA or early in the draft. Would also be interested to see if there's a long-term plan to move Fleming to guard next season now that Cannon's locked up at T.

Locking up Cannon on the OL gives me dreaded flashbacks to when we locked up Max "Fast" Lane

PatsWickedPissah said:

Locking up Cannon on the OL gives me dreaded flashbacks to when we locked up Max "Fast" Lane

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Careful there, buddy. That comes dangerously close to being a discouraging comment.

Deus Irae said:

Careful there, buddy. That comes dangerously close to being a discouraging comment.

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He needs to be careful of Belichick's Elves. They're everywhere.

PatsWickedPissah said:

Locking up Cannon on the OL gives me dreaded flashbacks to when we locked up Max "Fast" Lane

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Cannon hasn't looked great, but there really is no comparison. If you want a negative comparable, the better one would be Kaczur.

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