"Portrait of a QB in decline"

Archeryaddict12 · Dec 20, 2014

hwc said:
I watch the games. Brady is in decline. Even in recent weeks, he's had stretches where he has been just plain bad.

Fortunately, he has had more stretches where he's been good this year. But, that ratio of bad to good inevitably goes downhill with age. It's not like Montana, Marino, and Favre still couldn't play well some of the time, even when they were done.

BTW, I do think the decline of a great quarterback is gradual. It's noticing it that is all the sudden.

Whatever dude. I watch the games also, tb12 is as good as ever

hwc · Dec 20, 2014

Archeryaddict12 said:
Whatever dude. I watch the games also, tb12 is as good as ever

I don't see that. Overall, he's bounced back from dreadful September to play very well this year, but he's struggled at times.

No 37 year QB is going to stand in and take the hits Brady did as a brave young QB. 37 year olds throw off the back foot and throw ducks up to get picked more than they did when they were younger.

PatsWickedPissah · Dec 20, 2014

My critique of Brady's play has been that seemingly he's made some really bad decisions on picks. Throwing deep to a multi-covered Tyms. The checkoff from a run to a pass to Gronk that got picked...
That said his # of picks is down, so my perception is not reality. And some of those picks he was hit milliseconds later under serious pressure.

Ivan · Dec 20, 2014

hwc said:
I don't see that. Overall, he's bounced back from dreadful September to play very well this year, but he's struggled at times.

No 37 year QB is going to stand in and take the hits Brady did as a brave young QB. 37 year olds throw off the back foot and throw ducks up to get picked more than they did when they were younger.

Some people really don't watch the games, they just read the player bio to find out the age.

Deus Irae · Dec 20, 2014

Realistically, no QB plays well for 16 games. Most of the "decline" talk centers around the first 4 weeks and a pair of late first half throws since then.

There's really nothing to the decline, and that's reflected in the simple truth that, if the team hadn't been such a (relative) steaming pile in the first 4 weeks, Brady would be the odds on favorite to win the MVP.

Wheelman · Dec 20, 2014

PatsWickedPissah said:
My critique of Brady's play has been that seemingly he's made some really bad decisions on picks. Throwing deep to a multi-covered Tyms. The checkoff from a run to a pass to Gronk that got picked...
That said his # of picks is down, so my perception is not reality. And some of those picks he was hit milliseconds later under serious pressure.

I agree Brady has made poor decisions under pressure. However I disagree that Brady made a poor decision to switch it to pass play. Gronk was going to go all the way or a big gain. That was a great decision by Brady. Unfortunately the o-line didn't hold up and Brady made a poor decision with the throw.

PatsWickedPissah · Dec 20, 2014

Wheelman said:
I agree Brady has made poor decisions under pressure. However I disagree that Brady made a poor decision to switch it to pass play. Gronk was going to go all the way or a big gain. That was a great decision by Brady. Unfortunately the o-line didn't hold up and Brady made a poor decision with the throw.

I both agree & disagree on the checkoff. There was an unblocked player that I am ASSUMING Brady did not properly account for either in his callouts or mis-estimating he'd have time enough (he didn't) to throw the ball.

Wheelman · Dec 20, 2014

PatsWickedPissah said:
I both agree & disagree on the checkoff. There was an unblocked player that I am ASSUMING Brady did not properly account for either in his callouts or mis-estimating he'd have time enough (he didn't) to throw the ball.

I just watched the play. All I see is Wendell getting beat immediately during the run fake. Immediate pressure and penetration. That, or Stork was supposed to help him?

supafly · Dec 20, 2014

PatsWickedPissah said:
My critique of Brady's play has been that seemingly he's made some really bad decisions on picks. Throwing deep to a multi-covered Tyms. The checkoff from a run to a pass to Gronk that got picked...
That said his # of picks is down, so my perception is not reality. And some of those picks he was hit milliseconds later under serious pressure.

No doubt most of those bad decisions were all about the pressure, as you pointed out. I think there have been some fairly consistent "WTF?" moments over the years where we've seen some crazy lame duck throws etc.

I may be wrong, but I want to say that the famous 14-1 vs. 1-14 loss to Miami in 2004 featured a couple of them that really got a lot of negative attention. As we all remember, that season turned out to be pretty good in the end, so let's hope that is the case this year

ctpatsfan77 · Dec 20, 2014

Archeryaddict12 · Dec 20, 2014

hwc said:
I don't see that. Overall, he's bounced back from dreadful September to play very well this year, but he's struggled at times.

No 37 year QB is going to stand in and take the hits Brady did as a brave young QB. 37 year olds throw off the back foot and throw ducks up to get picked more than they did when they were younger.

I haven't seen him struggle since September . When he has struggle at all it's been because of pressure. I guess Rodgers is in decline also because he's past 30 and completed 41% of his passes and no tds. Brady isn't in decline at all and has been his terrific self.

Danger Zone · Dec 20, 2014

hwc said:
I don't see that. Overall, he's bounced back from dreadful September to play very well this year, but he's struggled at times.

No 37 year QB is going to stand in and take the hits Brady did as a brave young QB. 37 year olds throw off the back foot and throw ducks up to get picked more than they did when they were younger.

As I said in the other thread, I've left out dozens of other quotes just like these ones because I grew weary of the project and at some point, enough is enough.

You aren't "objective". You aren't seeing anything in his decline that we can't see.

You aren't some precocious child in the crowd that sees through all the ******** that blinds all the rest of us Brady homers. The emperor might be showing some signs of age, but he is fully clothed (even if he is wearing Uggs underneath his regalia).

You simply have an agenda and thats too sneak in as many snarky barbs about Brady as you can.

hwc said:
Belichick's QB had already thrown a horrible interception in his own territory to close out a half a few weeks earlier. Belichick did not have the confidence in his QB/offense to do anything but run out the clock against Miami. It didn't work, because the special teams and defense eff'd it all up.

hwc said:
Does that include not throwing horrible interceptions?

hwc said:
Unlike the prior two weeks when Brady threw picks that would have made Geno Smith feel proud.

When it comes to playing 30 minutes of bad football, Brady has been as guilty as any of them lately.

hwc said:
I knew Belichick would run out the clock at the end of the half. The offense had given him no confidence that they wouldn't turn the ball over with a pick six in that situation.

hwc said:
I'll take a road win, any way they can get it.

Obligatory complaint: Sheesh. Is Brady turning into Tony Romo with the brain dead interceptions at the worst possible time?

hwc said:
Our starting QB couldn't seem to do it in the second half Monday night. Two picks, two fumbles.

hwc said:
Well, since I believe Garoppolo will be the starting QB of the New England Patriots by this time next year, it's meaningful to me...

hwc said:
Will the Bucs give us a 1st round draft pick?

Reunite Tommy with Logan Mankins?

hwc said:
Bingo. We have bingo. To succeed as a pocket passer, you've got to have ice water in your veins to stand in there and take the inevitable hits. At age 37, Brady's ice water is room temp.

hwc said:
Getting a chuckle from a fun little positive factoid from an otherwise dreadful game Monday night. I smiled when I was looking up Brady's stats and noticed that Garopollo leads the NFL in passer rating. What the heck... it beats jumping off the Tobin Bridge...

hwc said:
Chad Henne has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att. He's been benched.

Ryan Tannehill has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att. He's been threatened with benching.

Colin Kaepernick has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage. He is widely viewed as struggling.

Matt Stafford has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage.

Alex Smith has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage.

Ben Roethlisberger has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage.

Aaron Rodgers has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage.

Cam Newton has been sacked the same number of times as Tom Brady (in one less game) and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage.

Here's the sortable list of NFL QB stats. Play with it. Sort it any way you want. Try to find something where Brady is not below average or worse.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...gory=PASSING&d-447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING

hwc said:
Let's hope that Brady can use his leadership skills to inspire his team to score more than 7 points on offense tomorrow.

hwc said:
Thanks, Miguel. That gives te Patriots a lot more options. Specifically, one option would be hope that he [Brady] plays well this season and do a blockbuster trade with Mark Davis in the offseason.

hwc said:
Playoffs? Playoffs! Don't talk to me about playoffs. We're just trying to win a game...

hwc said:
My problem is that I really don't want to think about playoff seedings. ... I honestly am not sure this team can make the playoffs. The other three teams in the division all have pretty good defenses. Fortunately, the other teams in the division have serious flaws.

hwc said:
Ha. I was just trying to be diplomatic and avoid "you guys" type comments. What I was really thinking was, "Are you kidding me? Haven't you guys seen the way this team has been playing. They stink...."

Personally, I see absolutely no indication that the Patriots offense can play a competitive NFL caliber game. I think they will continue to struggle to score their average 16 points, which means they must rely on defense and special teams to win games. Talking about playoff seeding right now seems silly. If anything, the offense is going backwards. The starting QB only scored 7 points against KC. As I have been reminded, the TD the backup QB scored in garbage time doesn't count. Scoring 7 points isn't going to win many NFL games.

Can they turn it around? Sure. I hope they do. But, I would like to see the slightest evidence of that before I start worrying about the playoffs. I don't expect a turnaround tomorrow night.

hwc said:
Here's one for the chicken little side of the equation:

I believe that 2014 will end up being Tom Brady's last year as starting QB for the New England Patriots.

hwc said:
That's OK. I don't think he's among the top 25 passers in the NFL, either.... He's right behind Derek Carr in many of the stats.

hwc said:
Brady needs to look in the mirror. The Pats won this game because the coaches mostly took the ball out of his hands. Staring down receivers. Hopeless heaves down the sideline to kill drives. Throwing into heavy coverage.

Archeryaddict12 · Dec 20, 2014

Danger Zone said:
As I said in the other thread, I've left out dozens of other quotes just like these ones because I grew weary of the project and at some point, enough is enough.

You aren't "objective". You aren't seeing anything in his decline that we can't see.

You aren't some precocious child in the crowd that sees through all the ******** that blinds all the rest of us Brady homers. The emperor might be showing some signs of age, but he is fully clothed (even if he is wearing Uggs underneath his regalia).

You simply have an agenda and thats too sneak in as many snarky barbs about Brady as you can.

Yep, just another Brady troll

TBR · Dec 20, 2014

Off The Grid said:
Pure sewage.

01 ~ There isn't a Soul more self-motivated than Tom Brady. Rooting for'm is nothing short of a Privilege.
02 ~ To watch the guy push'mself relentlessly for 13 Years and then imply that he was coasting is disgusting.
03 ~ Despite the amusing annual Wailing & Gnashing of Teeth, it's very common for the Patriots to stumble out'f the gate in September: It often takes the Team a few weeks to gel. That's all that that was.

Lol why are you talking like that...

Ivan · Dec 20, 2014

Danger Zone said:
As I said in the other thread, I've left out dozens of other quotes just like these ones because I grew weary of the project and at some point, enough is enough.

You aren't "objective". You aren't seeing anything in his decline that we can't see.

You aren't some precocious child in the crowd that sees through all the ******** that blinds all the rest of us Brady homers. The emperor might be showing some signs of age, but he is fully clothed (even if he is wearing Uggs underneath his regalia).

You simply have an agenda and thats too sneak in as many snarky barbs about Brady as you can.

Wow.troll outed, well done.

Off The Grid · Dec 20, 2014

TBR said:
Lol why are you talking like that...

Just trying to accurately convey my speech, Earthling.

Off The Grid · Dec 20, 2014

Danger Zone said:
(Post #32)

As I said in the other thread, I've left out dozens of other quotes just like these ones because I grew weary of the project and at some point, enough is enough.

You aren't "objective". You aren't seeing anything in his decline that we can't see.

You aren't some precocious child in the crowd that sees through all the ******** that blinds all the rest of us Brady homers. The emperor might be showing some signs of age, but he is fully clothed (even if he is wearing Uggs underneath his regalia).

You simply have an agenda and thats too sneak in as many snarky barbs about Brady as you can.

Wow.

Magnificent Defenestration!!

ctpatsfan77 · Dec 20, 2014

Off The Grid said:
Just trying to accurately convey my speech, Earthling.

Damn. Now I think I owe my brother $10.

DarrylS · Dec 21, 2014

Deus Irae said:
Did you miss the first 4 games of the season? People were absolutely right to talk about the OL. The last few games have shown that it's still an issue, for that matter.

Yes, Brady's bailed the line out of a lot of sacks this season.

I saw every game and ever play of the year, people still whine and ***** about the O line.. which was my point. The reality is that Brady's quickness is not the sole reason why there are 20 less sacks this season..

Just about every week I read or listen to concerns about our offensive line, they have progressed nicely.. and it is not because of the emergence of Stork, it is about trust, playing together and developing blocking schemes..

Could it be better?? Of course, but in a complimentary team sport it has done what it is supposed to do..

Deus Irae · Dec 21, 2014

DarrylS said:
I saw every game and ever play of the year, people still whine and ***** about the O line.. which was my point. The reality is that Brady's quickness is not the sole reason why there are 20 less sacks this season..

Just about every week I read or listen to concerns about our offensive line, they have progressed nicely.. and it is not because of the emergence of Stork, it is about trust, playing together and developing blocking schemes..

Could it be better?? Of course, but in a complimentary team sport it has done what it is supposed to do..

The OL is still a weakness, and people remember the problems the OL has had against good teams in the playoffs over most of the past decade. It's also been obvious that it's been struggling again in recent weeks. That's why people still "whine and *****" about it.

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