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Reviewing Brady's Contract - Will Brady Really Play For $8M A Year?


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It doesn't really matter what TB12 thinks about the contract. It is what it is. To the extent that they feel they drafted a legitimate heir apparent, the Pats are in the catbird seat. If Brady doesn't like it, he can retire. Or he can "force" Belichick to trade an aging veteran a year too early for a kings ransom in draft picks...

Those are both OK for the Pats.
 
They've sweetened contracts before and they'll do it again. I believe Vollmer's was reworked recently.
 
The thing is, if you take Brady as his word that he wants to play until he's 40, then he has a great contract. There is absolutely zero incentive for the Pats to cut him before the end of his contract after the 2017 season when he will be 40 years old.
 
The thing is, if you take Brady as his word that he wants to play until he's 40, then he has a great contract. There is absolutely zero incentive for the Pats to cut him before the end of his contract after the 2017 season when he will be 40 years old.

I'm not sure i get your point.
 
What if Brady's salaries for 2015, 2016 and 2017 were $2M a year, an $18M discount, instead of only $12M?

The reality is that contracts are structured so that there are decision points for the player and for the team. When this contract was negotiated, the salaries for the last three years could have been $14M, $16M and $18M. But they weren't.

The setup was clear. If Brady decline some, then these contract amounts would be reasonable. If not, then Brady has a decision to make.

And yes, Brady can send his agent to Belichick the week after the Super Bowl and indicate that he isn't playing 2015 for $7M making him one of the lowest paid starting quarterbacks in the NFL, not won a rookie contract. Brady can clearly afford to sit out. The ball would be in Belichick's court.

BOTTOM LINE
In 2013, Brady did NOT give the team a huge discount, just a little one. And yes, it did help the team's cap situation a lot. 2015 is a new year, with a new set of circumstances. Maybe brady is willing to be one of the lowest paid veteran quarterbacks starting in the league, perhaps not.

What decision, start his own league?
 
I don't understand this thread. It seems like something Felger and Mazz would speculate.

Brady is in this for the legacy. The Pats have built the best team around him since the SB years, and it will be hard enough to keep it together without this. Why would he want to mess it up?
 
I'm not sure i get your point.

The point is that Brady's contract makes him cut proof. That's a pretty good thing for a player who will turn 38 before next season who wants to play for three more years. Most 38+ year old players worry about getting cut.

Based on the contract, the Pats can bench him, but they really can't cut him (or at least they would be stupid to cut him).
 
The point is that Brady's contract makes him cut proof. That's a pretty good thing for a player who will turn 38 before next season who wants to play for three more years. Most 38+ year old players worry about getting cut.

Yes, that was Kraft's intention. Or, if you want to look at it that way, they could cut him, if necessary, without strapping the team. I do believe, if he plays like this, or close, they'll find a way to sweeten the deal (or a future front office contract?). Good business isn't always about getting the best deal to the penny. He's a tremendous asset to the team on the field and off.
 
I don't think the New England Patriots have any incentive to do anything with Brady's contract. It's a great contract for them from here on out. The only thing they can't do is cut him.

They have Brady and his heir apparent under contract for very reasonable money (combined) for the next three seasons. If Brady stays healthy and plays well, great. If he continues to decline, they have the option of starting Garappolo at any time during the 2015, 2016, or 2017 seasons. Brady would clearly be the best backup in the NFL at any point in that stretch. If he retires, he retires. If a team knocks the Pats over with a blockbuster trade deal, they cross that bridge when it happens.

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No one has indicated that team has any incentive to voluntarily change a half-price contract with one of the very best quarterbacks in the league.

The issue is not for the team. The issue is for Brady. Please be clear. Do you think that the team should tell Brady to stuff it if Brady's agent were to approach the team indicating that he doesn't think that he should be being paid $7M. Players do this all the time, with various responses depending on the situation.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but IIRC, didn't Brady cash something like a $30MM check when he signed his latest contract. So of course the money he's going to be less in the latter stages of his deal since he got so much up front. Why is this critical fact so often ignored or under reported in the media's mad effort to see every athlete get the maximum amount of money from ownership.

At the end of his deal Brady will have received every last dollar negotiated. And while I remember reading that his deal wasn't for top QB money of the day, it wasn't for drastically less either.

BOTTOM LINE: If you look at his deal over the total term of the contract, instead of a one year snap shot, Brady is being fairly well paid. IMHO, all the 'Brady is underpaid" crap, is an example of an issue being "created" where there is none.
 
Do you think that the team should tell Brady to stuff it if Brady's agent were to approach the team indicating that he doesn't think that he should be being paid $7M. Players do this all the time, with various responses depending on the situation.

Yes. I think the team should tell Brady to stuff it if such an approach were made. I mean, hopefully, using more polite language.

I think that such an approach by Brady would probably be the "permission" Belichick/Kraft need to take the two first round draft picks from the Raiders (the deal that, if they were cold-blooded about it, the Pats really should make after this season).
 
I have not read a single intelligent reasoning why Brady would not pay for what his contract states.

Anyone remember his social media posting upon signing the contract extension ? It was "just win"..

Anymore questions ?
 
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but IIRC, didn't Brady cash something like a $30MM check when he signed his latest contract. So of course the money he's going to be less in the latter stages of his deal since he got so much up front. Why is this critical fact so often ignored or under reported in the media's mad effort to see every athlete get the maximum amount of money from ownership.

At the end of his deal Brady will have received every last dollar negotiated. And while I remember reading that his deal wasn't for top QB money of the day, it wasn't for drastically less either.

BOTTOM LINE: If you look at his deal over the total term of the contract, instead of a one year snap shot, Brady is being fairly well paid. IMHO, all the 'Brady is underpaid" crap, is an example of an issue being "created" where there is none.

I strongly disagree with your analysis of Brady's contract. You suggest that if we look at the 5 years, we will find that Brady "is fairly well paid". In what world? Over 5 years, the contract averages $11.4M a year.

As in all non-rookie contracts, the team and the player evaluate the situation each year.

2013 and 2014
Brady has been paid $16.5M a year over the past two years. This is less than some other players. However, he was also given an injury clause that would guarantee his last 3 years against injury. So, the difference between the $16.5M per year for two years and the $20M that say Manning gets is the value of the injury guarantee. After all, we all agreed that Brady DID NOT give the team a discount and that the deal signed was fair.

Has Brady been OVERPAID at $16.5M for the past two years? Have the patriots received reasonable value for the $30M check cashed and for the $3M in salaries. I think that the team has received reasonable value for what they have paid.

So, NO, IMHO, it is not reasonable to look at the 5 years at this point.

2015, 2016, and 2017
Brady has given value to the team though 2014. He has been paid less than market, but he has received guarantees. In a few weeks, 2014 will be behind us.

How would you advise Brady IF YOU WERE HIS AGENT? Obviously, Brady can play in 2015 for ONE-THIRD of the value of his services. The choice is Brady's. However, IMHO, any agent should be fired (or at least not hired by others) if he does not at least point out to Brady what comparable quarterbacks are making.

BOTTOM LINE
Both Brady and the patriots have done well on Brady's compensation through the end of 2014. In fact, the team has had a good deal all though Brady's contract. But that's fine. It is always great to have players who produce more value than their compensation calls for.

I hope that Brady decides to play for $8M a year. In fact, I hope that Brady restructures and moves $6M of 2015 into bonus money, freeing up $4M of 2015 cap money. Hey, I even hope that Brady agrees to extend another 3 years at $5M a year. Of course, hoping that a player acts against his own financial interest isn't very reasonable.

Brady is at least a $20M a year commodity. Or do think that Brady is worth less then Manning. Brady can CHOOSE (for the first time) to give the patriots and major discount and play for 1/3 of the market value of his services. Or Brady can approach the team, as so many players do, and request an increase. the team can then act as they wish. Perhaps, they will say "nice try" and the agent will back to Brady having failed and nothing will happen. OR NOT!
 
Yes. I think the team should tell Brady to stuff it if such an approach were made. I mean, hopefully, using more polite language.

I think that such an approach by Brady would probably be the "permission" Belichick/Kraft need to take the two first round draft picks from the Raiders (the deal that, if they were cold-blooded about it, the Pats really should make after this season).
fair enough

I thought that this was your position.

I just wanted us all to be clear. BTW, no team will give the patriots 2 first round draft choices for a player unless they were assured by the player that he intended to play. Since the premise for the trade was that Brady wouldn't play for the patriots, why would any team presume that he would play for them for the same money?
 
The biggest challenge for the New England Patriots right now is negotiating the end game on Tom Brady's career. It's a tough balancing act -- the decline of the player viz-a-viz fan expectations for an iconic face of the franchise. Ask any NFL team that has been through it. Never easy.

The Pats have set themselves up nicely to navigate that transition. The contract allows them to simply keep Brady for three more years, either as the starter or as the backup. Either one is fine from a cap standpoint through the 2017 season, when he would be 40 years old. Folks, this is the end game. His replacement is on the roster, being groomed.

It's a good situation for the team. It's a good situation for Brady. If Brady doesn't like it, he has exactly two options:

1) Retire.
2) Demand a trade to make more money.

Option #2 would be the best thing that could happen to the New England Patriots. They could probably do a sucker deal with some woe-be-gone desperate franchise. But, absent Brady bad-mouthing himself out of town, they can't do it because of the whole face of the franchise thing.
 
Should I worry if Tom is going to hold out and not honor his contract? Throw bad passes to get even with the cheap Pats and Kraft? Be a malcontent in the locker room? I need to know how worked up I should get over this and why is this being brought up right before the playoff season and the SB? Is this Ron Borges or that other clown from the herald and they have hacked mgteich's account? Maybe the Bucs will send us their first round draft pick for him. Time to dump this guy if he is going to give the team trouble.

If I hear the douchbag and the dog turd talking about this next week I will know there is a conspiracy brewing and this was not just a happenstance.
The douchebag has been talking about this for two years. And he asks Borges about it everytime he's on.
 
Since the premise for the trade was that Brady wouldn't play for the patriots, why would any team presume that he would play for them for the same money?

Far be it from me to understand the logic of the league's sad sack, woe-be-gone, loser franchises. A lot of these owners think "franchise quarterbacks" grow on trees, just waiting to be picked, when the ESPN pundits declare them to be at the height of ripeness.

They don't understand that franchise QBs don't exist in a vacuum. They only develop in a situation where the team and the coaching (and some luck) allow.
 
I don't know what he will do but I fully expect him to play it out. I wouldn't be paying him $20M a year there's others to re-sign. If he wants he call look to Dallas and see Dirk Nowitzki taking $7M a year so the Mavericks can bring talent in around him.

I will be disappointed in Brady if he makes an issue over this and disappointed in the Patriots if they pay him $20M at the expense of re-signing others.

I hate to go here but I'd prefer to have Garrapolo at $500K to Brady at $20M. Especially when you consider the players that could be signed with the money and the draft picks that could be acquired. Note, I do NOT expect this scenario but after a huge, guaranteed signing bonus at an older age that could have ended badly for the Patriots, now the team should make some gains on the back end.
 
Signing bonuses simply disappear in these type threads ... he's already been paid for most of those years.
Well that deflates the discussion ........ but it's fact.
 
Signing bonuses simply disappear in these type threads ... he's already been paid for most of those years.
Well that deflates the discussion ........ but it's fact.
You seem to believe that Brady signed for $11.5M a year. OK, so spread the $30M and make it $6M a year. So, it your position that Brady played 2013 for $6M and 2017 for $7M? So, Brady took $14M and $13M discount in each of the last two years. Is that what you think Brady did?

I may have a distorted view. I believe that Brady didn't play for his salary of $1M and $2M in 2013 and 2014. He didn't even play for $7M and $8M. I think that Brady understood that he was receiving a $30M check and as part of deal accepted a 2013 salary of $1M and a 2014 salary of $2M. Brady has received $33M over two years. Was he worth the money?
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BTW, how would folks feel if Manning reduced his 2015 salary to $1M so that the team could use the other $19M on other players? Folks point to examples of other sports. How about this NFL example?
 
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