Chatham disagrees with the Patricia haters

What really helps is moving away from picking defensive back guys who come off of the street and are expected to play at a high level.. either that or two way players.

But of course you need someone to put it all together, our ST coach has done an outstanding job as well...

fnordcircle said:

Never read any Patricia hate because anyone with enough functioning braincells to post on the internet knows that Patricia is there to put Belichick's plan into place.

I love our defense as it is currently. I'm not 100% convinced that Belichick is the defensive genius that he was because I think in the hands of Rex Ryan this would be the #1 overall defense in the NFL. My rationale being that this is a more talented defense than anything Rex ever had in New York.

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They certainly would have been better at the start of the year. No matter how much defensive talent NE has, it always takes them a few months to really get going. But even under Rex's guidance, they wouldn't be any better than they've been for the last month or so.

fnordcircle said:

Never read any Patricia hate because anyone with enough functioning braincells to post on the internet knows that Patricia is there to put Belichick's plan into place.

I love our defense as it is currently. I'm not 100% convinced that Belichick is the defensive genius that he was because I think in the hands of Rex Ryan this would be the #1 overall defense in the NFL. My rationale being that this is a more talented defense than anything Rex ever had in New York.

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While I respect Ryan as a defensive coach, I'm not positive there's a one to one comparison to be made. BB drafts and targets players that fit his schemes and coaching style, and I'm sure Rex does the same. I doubt every player on the Pats would respond to Rex's style that well, just as not everyone on the Jets would be able to handle BB's style.

I won't use the disagree button officially on this one though. Your opinion is not outlandish enough to warrant the little red -1

Sicilian said:

While I respect Ryan as a defensive coach, I'm not positive there's a one to one comparison to be made. BB drafts and targets players that fit his schemes and coaching style, and I'm sure Rex does the same. I doubt every player on the Pats would respond to Rex's style that well, just as not everyone on the Jets would be able to handle BB's style.

I won't use the disagree button officially on this one though. Your opinion is not outlandish enough to warrant the little red -1

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Disagree is actually the black number. Only dislike earns the little red –1.

fnordcircle said:

I think in the hands of Rex Ryan this would be the #1 overall defense in the NFL.

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In what category? PPG, DVOA, Yards? DVOA #1 past 7 weeks. 2009 NYJ was #1 in DVOA in 2009.

Jets ranking in points allowed, during the Rex Ryan era:

1
6
20
20
19
24

Patriots ranking in points allowed, during that same period, even with all the personnel issues on defense

5
8
15
9
10
8


Anyone thinking Ryan could do it better than Belichick needs to get off the drugs.

Deus Irae said:

Jets ranking in points allowed, during the Rex Ryan era:

1
6
20
20
19
24

Patriots ranking in points allowed, during that same period, even with all the personnel issues on defense

5
8
15
9
10
8


Anyone thinking Ryan could do it better than Belichick needs to get off the drugs.

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or else post daily on the enemy board and be acknowledged universally as one of the "good trolls"....yep, THAT is the mark of a "true" Pats fan.

sieglo said:

I didn't realize Patricia had haters. McDaniels -- sure. But not Patricia. I think he's done great things with this D.

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New here?

Tunescribe said:

Either that, or the team signed Darrelle Revis.

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Don't forget Browner. Having 2 CBs of that size and caliber opens up a lot of opportnities to be creative. The resurgence of Seattle's defense has in part been fueled by the emergence of 6'3" 204# 2nd year CB Tharold Simon - a guy I badly wanted in 2013 - as a "mini-Sherman", allowing Byron Maxwell to move to the slot. That's allowed Seattle to (1) start to vary their schemes and do some game-specific planning like the Pats do, and (2) to get more aggressive up front.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/...-seahawks-pass-defense/#27551101=0&27665103=0
http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/12/11/al...richard-sherman-michael-bennett-tharold-simon

Patricia has/had haters because we don't blitz. Everyone wants us to blitz because it's flashy. We all know how to call NFL plays better than he does, right?

And because our defense for many of Patricia's years here has had little to no talent at several key positions. That was apparently his fault.

strngplyr said:

Patricia has/had haters because we don't blitz. Everyone wants us to blitz because it's flashy. We all know how to call NFL plays better than he does, right?

And because our defense for many of Patricia's years here has had little to no talent at several key positions. That was apparently his fault.

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Hard to be creative and do things like overload the weakside and send two LB's up the A gaps when you can trust your personnel in the back end. This has been obvious to most people who know anything about the game.

KontradictioN said:

Hard to be creative and do things like overload the weakside and send two LB's up the A gaps when you can trust your personnel in the back end. This has been obvious to most people who know anything about the game.

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I agree, and yet you read game day threads and people still whine about it all the time.

some comments on the comments:

1. Once again Matt Chatham proves that he is heads and shoulders above any of the local analysts both in his insight and the topics he chooses to look at.

2. fordy has clearly partaken of the Kool Aid when he the opines that Rex would be a better fit as DC. DI's insightful post shows that when it comes to "substance" (scoring) Patricia has been Rex's superior for the last 4 years running. And until this year (and MAYBE the year before), it could be easily argued that Ryan had by far the better defensive personnel to work with. And certainly the healthier, and more experienced.

3. In one sense Patricia has been put into a horrible position where when things go well, BB gets the credit, and when they go badly, Patricia becomes the focus of the blame. In another sense he's been put into a perfect situation, where by design he's been given the opportunity to grow and earn evermore coaching responsibilities in EVERY area of the game to completely expose him to all aspects of the game. He's been given several years to grow on the defensive side absorbing decades of knowledge from BB and others. He was given the DC job without having to deal with direct pressure of the media spotlight, so only just now is Matt beginning to step out of BB's shadow and into the limelight.

4. Some people seem surprised that its taken this long to evolve the defense into the more aggressive, diverse and creative defense we now trot out. They miss the point that you need specific skill sets and DEPTH if you want to employ this kind of defense. They don't give Patricia and the Pats enough credit for getting as far as they did every year with either substandard or very inexperienced talent that FORCED them to be what appeared to us to be so very vanilla and more conservative.looks than we would like. The fact is they weren't running the defenses they WANTED to run, but the ones they HAD to run.

5. If you want an example of what that kind of depth means just look at the Arrington injure. In the past if a key DB like Arrington was lost, he'd be replaced by some rookie, UDFA, or refugee from the offense. Plus the list of= options of what the D can do might significantly shrink.

Now its likely he'll be replaced by last season's 2nd best CB (Dennard) and nothing the the team will do will be limited by his loss. This is a luxury that this team hasn't seen in over a decade.

6. Kudos again to Chatham for a great informative article. I wish he did a weekly podcast. It would be a must listen to.

KontradictioN said:

Hard to be creative and do things like overload the weakside and send two LB's up the A gaps when you can trust your personnel in the back end. This has been obvious to most people who know anything about the game.

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According to the homers, the Patriots basically never have bad personnel. According to the homers, BB can do almost nothing wrong.

That creates an inherent conflict when you actually see what's happening on the field. The only out: Scapegoat the coordinators.


BTW, the above is not intended to call out the homers, though some will get upset. One can basically reverse the situation and you'll be looking at the 'haters' methodology. It's human nature combined with the two ends of the fandom spectrum.

strngplyr said:

I agree, and yet you read game day threads and people still whine about it all the time.

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Deus summed it up pretty nicely so I'll just let his post stand.

Joker said:

or else post daily on the enemy board and be acknowledged universally as one of the "good trolls"....yep, THAT is the mark of a "true" Pats fan.

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Ok, I'm not a true Pats fan - does that make you feel better?

Oswlek said:

It is interesting how we hear regularly now that NE is doing things the opposing coach/coordinator/QB hadn't seen on film. Not recently or even in the last year. Ever.

How much of that is natural development (reacting to league changes, implementing new ideas from the college game, etc) and how much is Patricia's doing? Or is it just that this is one of the most versatile rosters we've seen in a long time?

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Revis

borg said:

Revis

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Of course he plays an essential role in all of this but is it really that difficult to give credit to a defensive coordinator for putting it all together?

Is it a crime in the US to actually praise people if they do an excellent job? I dont get it.

I never been a Patricia hater but when I saw the title, I flashed back to seeing Belichick not Patricia kneeling in front of defense and drawing plays on a white board while the offense was on the field behind him.

Defense sucks = Patricia Sucks.
CB's not playing press = Boyer Sucks
No blitz = Fire Patricia
Defense plays great = Belichick's defense is Genius.