2015 NFL Mock Drafts

patsfaninpa said:

C. Gambling on K. It's worth it IMO.

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As I've said before, that would be true were it not for the fact that Gostkowski is likely to end up helping either Indy or Denver in that scenario, possibly for a decade or more.

Oh, BTW, it's slim pickings in the draft this year at K, too.

ctpatsfan77 said:

As I've said before, that would be true were it not for the fact that Gostkowski is likely to end up helping either Indy or Denver in that scenario, possibly for a decade or more.

Oh, BTW, it's slim pickings in the draft this year at K, too.

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Keep our kicker. I sometimes feel that we would have had another superbowl win by now if we had kept Adam. Especially in that first sb against the giants when we failed to convert a 4&long instead of kicking a 50something field goal. Maybe if we had Adam the kick would have been attempted and most likely made.

New 1st round mock from Scott Wright from NFLDraftCountdown, so I don't put much stock in it. He has the Pats taking Todd Gurley at #30. Eddie Goldman goes at #27, TJ Clemmings at 31 and Bud Dupree at 32. Not very realistic, but I'd take any of those 3 guys.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php

McShay with his 1.0 version of 2015: http://i.imgur.com/MqJr1h0.jpg

Scherff (10) to Panthers. Clemmings (21) to NO, Bud Dupree (30) to AZ.

Pats (31) take AJ Cann.

I know it is very, very early but if it were like that it seems like we could still be in trade-up territory for Clemmings.

Surprised to see Devin Funchess that early (15) gone.

Not sure why everyone thinks Clemmings is so good. Isn't he kind of raw? I like Spencer DRANGO...and he could be gotten much later.

AJ Cann I've heard is a little lumbering in movement...so not sure about that. They usually like mobile guards.

kennyb said:

Not sure why everyone thinks Clemmings is so good. Isn't he kind of raw? I like Spencer DRANGO...and he could be gotten much later.

AJ Cann I've heard is a little lumbering in movement...so not sure about that. They usually like mobile guards.

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The "raw" argument is always a tough one for me. Chandler Jones and Collins were both seen as raw. I remember people talking about how Bequette was more NFL ready and hopefully Jones would develop after a year or 2.

jsull87 said:

The "raw" argument is always a tough one for me. Chandler Jones and Collins were both seen as raw. I remember people talking about how Bequette was more NFL ready and hopefully Jones would develop after a year or 2.

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Kyle Long and Ziggy Ansah were both "raw" coming out. Raw with tons of talent and the right work ethic usually works out. Minus the work ethic is a different matter.

mayoclinic said:

Kyle Long and Ziggy Ansah were both "raw" coming out. Raw with tons of talent and the right work ethic usually works out. Minus the work ethic is a different matter.

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Exactly. Then you get the "can't miss" OL prospects who can't make the step up in the NFL.

If you are more interested in year one of a rookie contract than the rest of his years on the team then you're not doing the draft right.

manxman2601 said:

If you are more interested in year one of a rookie contract than the rest of his years on the team then you're not doing the draft right.

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I think this is one of the biggest areas of misconception about the draft. The good team seldom use it to fill immediate needs or plug holes. Drafting for potential needs 1-2 years out makes sense. If you can get 2-3 years of cheap productivity from a player that's very valuable. If the player earns a 2nd contract with the team that drafted him, then it's an extremely successful pick.

kennyb said:

Not sure why everyone thinks Clemmings is so good. Isn't he kind of raw? I like Spencer DRANGO...and he could be gotten much later.

AJ Cann I've heard is a little lumbering in movement...so not sure about that. They usually like mobile guards.

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Big Clemmings fan. Especially at 32 if he can be had there.

I like Drango as well but I don't like herniated discs. I don't know the extent of the injury, I know he had the disc removed but I have always not liked the idea of drafting a player with back conditions. Although it has worked out for the Pats with Gronk and Vollmer in the past. Backs are tricky and no two are the same when surgery is at play.

jsull87 said:

The "raw" argument is always a tough one for me. Chandler Jones and Collins were both seen as raw. I remember people talking about how Bequette was more NFL ready and hopefully Jones would develop after a year or 2.

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You're responding to a guy who has already put Dom. Easley & Clowney in the bust category.

West Philly Patriot said:

You're responding to a guy who has already put Dom. Easley & Clowney in the bust category.

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I said Easley smells like a bust. And Clowney almost certainly is as it's a surgery most don't come back from or at least at anywhere near 100%. Yeah, that's just beyond the pale. Well to a pathetic homer I guess it is.

mayoclinic said:

I think this is one of the biggest areas of misconception about the draft. The good team seldom use it to fill immediate needs or plug holes. Drafting for potential needs 1-2 years out makes sense. If you can get 2-3 years of cheap productivity from a player that's very valuable. If the player earns a 2nd contract with the team that drafted him, then it's an extremely successful pick.

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Yes, I realize that. Some are so raw though that you're just projecting they'll be able to do "x" when they may simply never be able to do that. That's a little iffy for a 1st rounder, for me anyway. There are a ton of really good LT types, not sure why this guy is the be all end all.

kennyb said:

Yes, I realize that. Some are so raw though that you're just projecting they'll be able to do "x" when they may simply never be able to do that. That's a little iffy for a 1st rounder, for me anyway. There are a ton of really good LT types, not sure why this guy is the be all end all.

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Thats what people said about Ziggy Ansah. Clemmings is just so dominant, particularly as a run blocker, after only two years playing the position and has the perfect physique and excellent athleticism for the position that it's almost impossible not to give him a first round grade. He could be an excellent NFL OT, but he's so good a run blocker, he's already likely to be an excellent OG.

kennyb said:

I said Easley smells like a bust. And Clowney almost certainly is as it's a surgery most don't come back from or at least at anywhere near 100%. Yeah, that's just beyond the pale. Well to a pathetic homer I guess it is.

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If Easley ends up where Bequette is in 2 years we can call him a bust. Judging anything before at least giving him 2 full preseasons is ridiculous and not even remotely worth discussing.

Hightower took until this year to make his big jump. Collins might be able to do it with one less year. No reason to get concerned about Easley yet.

Chris Burke mocks Todd Gurley to the Pats at #32:

http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/12/17/2015-nfl-mock-draft-jameis-winston-marcus-mariota-randy-gregory

Eddie Goldman goes #24, Alvin Dupree #30. TJ Clemmings is still available.

ctpatsfan77 said:

As I've said before, that would be true were it not for the fact that Gostkowski is likely to end up helping either Indy or Denver in that scenario, possibly for a decade or more.

Oh, BTW, it's slim pickings in the draft this year at K, too.[/QUO

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mayoclinic said:

Chris Burke mocks Todd Gurley to the Pats at #32:

http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/12/17/2015-nfl-mock-draft-jameis-winston-marcus-mariota-randy-gregory

Eddie Goldman goes #24, Alvin Dupree #30. TJ Clemmings is still available.

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I won't be shocked if Gurley is gone by the time we pick. Some pretty good teams can use a good back and might consider that a final piece; San Diego, Denver, Detroit and Baltimore. I know we have never drafted a wr first either. But, there was smoke out there that we were interested in Percy Harvin and D'Andre Hopkins but they went a pick and two before us. We need help on both lines. I'm looking there first.

Could the Vikings use us as a trade partner to jump back into the first and get Gurley? Seems like a fairly logical leap.

kennyb said:

I said Easley smells like a bust. And Clowney almost certainly is as it's a surgery most don't come back from or at least at anywhere near 100%. Yeah, that's just beyond the pale. Well to a pathetic homer I guess it is.

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Lol homer, that has to be it. How else could I arrive at the conclusion that a rookie in year 1 of a 4-5 year deal isn't a bust after getting shut down in week 16. Also you don't have the slightest idea what Clowney will look like when he returns.

You continue to use your silly logic in regard to future prospects, it's evident by how much stock you put into how raw a player is and how they will perform in year 1.