NE - 3 QBs/coaches since 2001; rest of AFC East - 59!

Heard this on D&C this morning. Have not personally verified it.

Since Brady became the starter, the Patriots have had 3 coaches and starting QBs (BB, Brady, Cassell (involuntary, of course)).

The rest of the AFC East has had...59!

That's amazing..........Goes to show the importance of stability in the leadership of the organization.

Along the same lines (since it was in the sports news over the last few days), the Cleveland Browns have had over 20 QBs (I think) since their re-introduction in the league in 1999.

Appreciate the good years. Hopefully, we can find the same stability once Brady/Belichick moves on......Although Brady is playing forever - so we're good.

Arizona has had three quarterbacks in one game this year!

The most stable franchises all have this same thing in common, few coaching changes and very few starting QBs. Pittsburg would most likely be #1 on this list if you went back to the 70's.

The worst teams, are the ones who can't find that franchise QB, the best ones are the ones who find multiple franchise QBs!

Bill, Jets and Fins in a revolving door...



"Weeeeeeeeeeee...


stink!"

Had a little time between meetings.

I went to Pro Football Reference.com and got a total of 55 vs 59, but I wasn't being very precise:
Buffalo: six different HC's including "interims," 13 different QB's listed as starting a game (19 total)
Miami: seven different HC's including "interims," 16 different QB's listed as starting a game (23 total)
New Jersey: three different HC's, 10 different QB's listed as starting a game (13 total).

Amazing, especially in Miami.

PatsFanSince74 said:

Had a little time between meetings.

I went to Pro Football Reference.com and got a total of 55 vs 59, but I wasn't being very precise:
Buffalo: six different HC's including "interims," 13 different QB's listed as starting a game (19 total)
Miami: seven different HC's including "interims," 16 different QB's listed as starting a game (23 total)
New Jersey: three different HC's, 10 different QB's listed as starting a game (13 total).

Amazing, especially in Miami.

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So true. Dolphins go from the Marino era to the situation you outlined above.

MNF said:

So true. Dolphins go from the Marino era to the situation you outlined above.

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A great QB often makes a 'great' coach, the opposite usually isn't true but truly great coaches can usually find an above-average QB within a few seasons.

The most interesting situation, to me, is in NY. Miami had Marino for about 18 seasons, before that Griese. They've developed some marginal talent--Fielder and Tannehill--they've just never hit on the 'one'. The Bills had Kelly for over a decade, before him Ferguson was at least stability even if he wasn't good (I was too young/not born during his time, but at least going by team record it doesn't appear he was anything special). Then there's NY. Going all the way back to Namath they've bounced from QB to QB, the longest stretches were by immortals like Ken O'Brien and Rich Todd. We're talking forty years since Namath, and they haven't been able to hit on a single above-average QB in that entire time. It's mind-boggling, really.

hambone1818 said:

A great QB often makes a 'great' coach, the opposite usually isn't true but truly great coaches can usually find an above-average QB within a few seasons.

The most interesting situation, to me, is in NY. Miami had Marino for about 18 seasons, before that Griese. They've developed some marginal talent--Fielder and Tannehill--they've just never hit on the 'one'. The Bills had Kelly for over a decade, before him Ferguson was at least stability even if he wasn't good (I was too young/not born during his time, but at least going by team record it doesn't appear he was anything special). Then there's NY. Going all the way back to Namath they've bounced from QB to QB, the longest stretches were by immortals like Ken O'Brien and Rich Todd. We're talking forty years since Namath, and they haven't been able to hit on a single above-average QB in that entire time. It's mind-boggling, really.

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I didn't think about NY - but you're right. That's incredible..........and enjoyable.

hambone1818 said:

A great QB often makes a 'great' coach, the opposite usually isn't true but truly great coaches can usually find an above-average QB within a few seasons.

The most interesting situation, to me, is in NY. Miami had Marino for about 18 seasons, before that Griese. They've developed some marginal talent--Fielder and Tannehill--they've just never hit on the 'one'. The Bills had Kelly for over a decade, before him Ferguson was at least stability even if he wasn't good (I was too young/not born during his time, but at least going by team record it doesn't appear he was anything special). Then there's NY. Going all the way back to Namath they've bounced from QB to QB, the longest stretches were by immortals like Ken O'Brien and Rich Todd. We're talking forty years since Namath, and they haven't been able to hit on a single above-average QB in that entire time. It's mind-boggling, really.

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Basically agree, but I'd probably quibble that Pennington was "above average" (career Pass Rating of 90.1 and a winning record). He also had Curtis Martin in the backfield with him and took his teams to the Playoffs three times. He was injured a lot towards the end of his career, but, IMHO, coaching was his real problem: Herm Edwards and the Rat.

hambone1818 said:

We're talking forty years since Namath, and they haven't been able to hit on a single above-average QB in that entire time. It's mind-boggling, really.

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is the consensus that Pennington was not even a little above average?

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is the consensus that Pennington was not even a little above average?

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Pennington tied for 2nd in MVP voting one season -- http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?id=3805684. However, he wasn't playing for the Jets at the time.

He was playing for the Dolphins, actually, which makes him doubly relevant to this thread.

PatsFanSince74 said:

Basically agree, but I'd probably quibble that Pennington was "above average" (career Pass Rating of 90.1 and a winning record). He also had Curtis Martin in the backfield with him and took his teams to the Playoffs three times. He was injured a lot towards the end of his career, but, IMHO, coaching was his real problem: Herm Edwards and the Rat.

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That's fair, I kinda jumped on my narrative and tried to make it fit Pennington was a good find and performed well for the Jets, I'd give him the 'above average' moniker given a few stellar seasons (one with the Dolphins, though) sandwiched around some average to above-average years. Not a franchise QB, but someone a good coach could do well with.