Brady's pass attempt to Tyms

BradyManny said:

Surprised? No. Maybe that's because I have Brady's nearly complete bomb to Moss in the closing moments of SB42 forever burned into my memory, taunting me. That was one of the longest throws I've ever seen, and if it was 3 inches further, it would've been the greatest play in the history of anything that's ever been played, and the world might've instantaneously imploded from the sheer ridiculousness of it.

I've never questioned Brady's arm strength. When he has a guy who can get separation and present a viable target, he throws a good deep ball.

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Not that I really want to talk about 'that game'... but Brady's pass bounced off Moss's hands... untouched by the DB. Yeah, a little more distance would have been good... but it was there to be caught.

Okay... now I must erase my mind...

BradyManny said:

Surprised? No. Maybe that's because I have Brady's nearly complete bomb to Moss in the closing moments of SB42 forever burned into my memory, taunting me. That was one of the longest throws I've ever seen, and if it was 3 inches further, it would've been the greatest play in the history of anything that's ever been played, and the world might've instantaneously imploded from the sheer ridiculousness of it.

I've never questioned Brady's arm strength. When he has a guy who can get separation and present a viable target, he throws a good deep ball.

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oldrover said:

Not that I really want to talk about 'that game'... but Brady's pass bounced off Moss's hands... untouched by the DB. Yeah, a little more distance would have been good... but it was there to be caught.

Okay... now I must erase my mind...

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I watched the replay and the Giants DB just barely got his fingers on it enough to deflect right over Moss' fingertips. Otherwise, that was going to land perfectly into Moss' hands and he WAS going to catch it.

at 58 seconds (if it doesn't kill you to re-watch)

Mack Herron said:

If there is a question with Brady's long passes it is not arm strength, it is accuracy.

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Its either overthrown(most of the time) or underthrown(bomb to Gronk). He has to realize these guys aren't Randy Moss.

TBR said:

I watched the replay and the Giants DB just barely got his fingers on it enough to deflect right over Moss' fingertips. Otherwise, that was going to land perfectly into Moss' hands and he WAS going to catch it.

at 58 seconds (if it doesn't kill you to re-watch)

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That's not how I saw it on the replay... ...but...







I'm old.

DarrylS said:

Do not want to sound "felgery", but that was predictable.. the only time they go to Tyms is on a long bomb.

The Pats need to develop more of their receivers prior to the tournament.. too much focus on Gronk, Edelman, LaFell and Vereen...

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this was discussed in one of the Tyms threads. He is the current version of Slater. Everyone in the house knows it is going to him and it will be deep when he is in on a play. Note the 15 yard cushion that the CB gave him.

I sincerely hope this is just an all-season-long setup to get a 3rd and long underneath in a tough playoff game. Give the Denver/Pittsburg/Ratbirds film of this enough throughout the season and they will send two on Tyms and leave Gronk or Lafelll open for 15-20 under.

SyN65 said:

I wish they would use Tyms more. His situation is similar to Gray IMO.

I don't understand how the Pats use the bottom of depth chart players. What do these guys have to do to get more snaps? Tyms looked great in preseason...granted it was with Jimmy G...but he showed he could be a vertical threat and made some tough catches down the sidelines which is exactly what the Pats need. Then he finally gets a shot in the Buffalo game and Brady makes an awful decision to throw into triple coverage and Tyms comes down with it. Then he beat his man last game. What more do you need to see?

Maybe it's because throwing the deep ball isn't Brady's strong suit or maybe it's because he doesn't know the offense...but it'd be nice to see them try to integrate him more into the offense. If Lafell goes down (and he's looked a little banged up lately) who are the Pats going to turn to? A combo of Edelman/Amendola? Ugh.

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See response to above post. I had my hopes for that productive-3/4 wr pinned on Dobson; but I guess with him on IR and Amendola becoming a ST ace and wr-decoy all I have left to wish for another wr target is to join you with your pipe-dream.

But if they send him out there to just 'GO LONG' everytime; then I would prefer they dont even bother and just continue to use him sparingly-long as a setup for the playoffs.

RayClay said:

Give the OP a break. It was a hell of a pass, off by millimeters. i wish they'd use Tyms more though, to get him loosened up. I don't really see what one bomb every two games accomplishes.

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"It keeps the defense honest Mike. Brian Tyms is one of the most promising young wide outs in this league. This kid is so fast and he can do so many things out there. I'm telling ya, you leave this kid open and he's going to cause some problems. He'll keep a defensive coordinator up all night. And you know who else was a matchup problem? Jerry Rice."
-Jon Gruden

Completion % on passes thrown >20 yards (2014)
Rodgers 53%
Manning 46%
Luck 44%
Brees 42%
Rothlisberger 38%
Flacco 36%
Brady 20%

i apologize......TBR beat me to it

Mack Herron said:

If there is a question with Brady's long passes it is not arm strength, it is accuracy.

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I can throw a football 65 yards but I couldn't hit a barn door at that distance without some incredible luck. Does this mean I can get a supermodel wife and an eight figure NFL contract?

SyN65 said:

I wish they would use Tyms more. His situation is similar to Gray IMO.

I don't understand how the Pats use the bottom of depth chart players. What do these guys have to do to get more snaps? Tyms looked great in preseason...granted it was with Jimmy G...but he showed he could be a vertical threat and made some tough catches down the sidelines which is exactly what the Pats need. Then he finally gets a shot in the Buffalo game and Brady makes an awful decision to throw into triple coverage and Tyms comes down with it. Then he beat his man last game. What more do you need to see?

Maybe it's because throwing the deep ball isn't Brady's strong suit or maybe it's because he doesn't know the offense...but it'd be nice to see them try to integrate him more into the offense. If Lafell goes down (and he's looked a little banged up lately) who are the Pats going to turn to? A combo of Edelman/Amendola? Ugh.

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They did go to him in the passing game. First pass in the San Diego game he was wide open and Brady made a perfect throw 25 yards downfield. Dropped. The kid drops some passes, and makes some tough ones. Inconsistent.

TinhWoodhead said:

Its either overthrown(most of the time) or underthrown(bomb to Gronk). He has to realize these guys aren't Randy Moss.

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Randy Moss? They aren't Terry Glenn or Deion Branch or Irving Fryar either.

The QBs completing those passes are throwing to studs who can adjust to the ball.

Try it once a game...keeps the D honest.

Mack Herron said:

Completion % on passes thrown >20 yards (2014)
Rodgers 53%
Manning 46%
Luck 44%
Brees 42%
Rothlisberger 38%
Flacco 36%
Brady 20%

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Brady's throws > 20 yards his last 6 seasons.

2013: 20 of 66 (39.4 percent)
2012: 20 of 84 (40.5 percent)
2011: 20 of 60 (41.7 percent)
2010: 17 of 45 (44.4 percent)
2009: 19 of 68 (32.4 percent)
2007: 31 of 73 (42.4 percent)

Historically he has not been terrible. Keep in mind this offense is predicated on efficiency, moving the chains and YAC.

The reason for this year's off numbers? O-line is up there. Lack of an NFL-proven deep threat is also a reason.

robertweathers, your math from your numbers is wrong.

Brady's throws > 20 yards his last 6 seasons.

2013: 20 of 66 (39.4 percent) Actually 30.3
2012: 20 of 84 (40.5 percent) Actually 23.8
2011: 20 of 60 (41.7 percent) Actually 33.3
2010: 17 of 45 (44.4 percent) " " 37.8
2009: 19 of 68 (32.4 percent) " " 27.9
2007: 31 of 73 (50.7 percent) " " 42.5

This year is low, but he's been in the 20's before.

DarrylS said:

Do not want to sound "felgery", but that was predictable.. the only time they go to Tyms is on a long bomb.

The Pats need to develop more of their receivers prior to the tournament.. too much focus on Gronk, Edelman, LaFell and Vereen...

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What you see is what you get.

WR2/SlotWR
WR3
TE1
TE3
"TE"3
WR4/WR5
WR5
3dRB1

That's the arsenal Brady's going to the playoffs with. Developing's got nothing to do with it.

robertweathers said:

The reason for this year's off numbers? O-line is up there. Lack of an NFL-proven deep threat is also a reason.

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Certainly you need to look at context, but I don't see clear answers there. The O-line has had difficulties, but more with the run (especially short yardage) than the pass. If you look at sacks and hits, Brady is under more pressure than Manning or Flacco, but similar pressure as Brees, Rodgers or Rothlisberger, and much less than Luck. While he has no Moss (who does?), he has missed open receivers--Tyms and Gronk were both behind the coverage Sunday.

TBR said:

I watched the replay and the Giants DB just barely got his fingers on it enough to deflect right over Moss' fingertips. Otherwise, that was going to land perfectly into Moss' hands and he WAS going to catch it.

at 58 seconds (if it doesn't kill you to re-watch)

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Live, I always thought Moss should have gone up and gotten that ball. Seeing it again, I think the same thing. That was perfect in every way. He just needed to go up and get it.

mosi said:

Live, I always thought Moss should have gone up and gotten that ball. Seeing it again, I think the same thing. That was perfect in every way. He just needed to go up and get it.

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Yep. He goes up for it and we can at least tie the game and go into OT

Mack Herron said:

Certainly you need to look at context, but I don't see clear answers there. The O-line has had difficulties, but more with the run (especially short yardage) than the pass. If you look at sacks and hits, Brady is under more pressure than Manning or Flacco, but similar pressure as Brees, Rodgers or Rothlisberger, and much less than Luck. While he has no Moss (who does?), he has missed open receivers--Tyms and Gronk were both behind the coverage Sunday.

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Good points. I do think that early in the season, Brady was under more duress than he is now. Would be interested to see since KC game what is catch % for throws > 20 yards.

Edit: from Games 1-4- Brady was 1-16. Since KC, TB is 4-9. Not goot but it's an improvement. For comparison, Rogers is 14-25 - 56%

The Gronk throw was terrible. Tyms was a good one. Just an inch too far...