POST Game Thread: It was the Best of Times, It was the Worst of Times Edition

woolster22 said:

That was posted around one thirty, directed at me after railing on play calling before the interception. I had been vocal about wanting Develin in the game before kick off.

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Ummm.... This quote was in response to you killing McDaniels for going into the game and just pounding the ball with Blount and Gray all game. This has nothing to do with whether Blount was running with a lead back or not. You are definitely twisting my quote. This was a post posted after the first drive responding to you complaining about passing the ball.

Please post your post that I was responding to before you accuse me of something.

Oswlek said:

If so, it's just barely. This isn't just for the Miami game. Even when getting a carry or two the past couple weeks, you could see immediately that he brought something that Blount doesn't.

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I think Blount forgot the lessons learned as a patriot last year. He is much more hesitant at the hole now compared to this time last year. There were a couple first half runs (by Blount) that frustrated me in this regard today.

Rob0729 said:

We don't have much from today. We have six runs. That doesn't tell anyone he should be the lead back. If and when he carries it 15-20 times again, then we have a sample size. He shows some promise, but it isn't enough to draw any conclusions.

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You can always evaluate the tape. That doesn't require a threshold.

There is no "lead back" in this offense there hasn't been one for a while. Ridley even barely qualifies. Gray/Blount should share early touches, Vereen needs to be an anomaly on early downs.

Vereen getting the work he got in the 1st half was egregious and it's ineffectiveness showed on its face.

Brady missed a lot of throws in the first half...some of them for big gains. It was a nervous, edgy crowd at half. That Wallace play had everybody pretty hacked off. I do not like an overturn there. I just saw my first vid replay and it is NOT a conclusive play. They better fix this crap.

woolster22 said:

I think Blount forgot the lessons learned as a patriot last year. He is much more hesitant at the hole now compared to this time last year. There were a couple first half runs (by Blount) that frustrated me in this regard today.

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Blount was MORE hesitant last year. The few jailbreak runs he had last year have wiped the collective consciousness of his problems as a back. The dancing goes all the way back to his Oregon days.

Joker said:

How am I supposed to see the irony in that post when you consistently pose as the most pompous know-it-all bigmouth braggart on these threads? Do you or have you EVER even seen a Patriots game live? You come across as a frontrunner who's chosen the Patriots to "root" for so you can push your "knower of all things NFL personnel". Look, I'll take a look at the game thread and see what kind of positivity YOU bring as a Patriots fan to the discourse. I'm assuming of course you posted during the first half. We'll see who the stupid, arrogant, condescending punk is.

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In our last three interactions you have:

1. Accused me of being a fantasy football 'expert'. I've never played it at all.

2. Accused me of being a CFL 'expert'. I've never watched a game and know nothing about the sport.

3. Accused me of liking Patterson over Collins. Since the moment that trade and pick was made, I have been a consistent 100% supporter of the Collins pick.

I am one of the biggest homers on this forum. I have never criticised a draft pick. I have never criticised a single transaction (I don't think). The reason is that I don't think I'm qualified to criticise BB and so I don't.

As for being a "knower of all things NFL personnel", show me where I demonstrate that. I focus on the draft and I've had some successes in terms of scouting potential prospects but I've also had failures which I've been open about.

I only have negative interactions with you and one other poster. Personally I don't think that's on me after all, you initiate every single one.

Do you or have you EVER even seen a Patriots game live?

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No. And that's not through lack of interest, that's because I live in the UK.

West Philly Patriot said:

You can always evaluate the tape. That doesn't require a threshold.

There is no "lead back" in this offense there hasn't been one for a while. Ridley even barely qualifies. Gray/Blount should share early touches, Vereen needs to be an anomaly on early downs.

Vereen getting the work he got in the 1st half was egregious and it's ineffectiveness showed on its face.

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I am done. I agree that Vereen should be used sparingly in the running aspect. I still think Blount is better than Gray. Obviously, Belichick agrees because Blount was still the lead back even after the drive where Gray flashed. I have no problem with them platooning backs. I just think people overrated Gray based on a limited sample size.

This whole argument is going in circles.

Rob0729 said:

Ummm.... This quote was in response to you killing McDaniels for going into the game and just pounding the ball with Blount and Gray all game. This has nothing to do with whether Blount was running with a lead back or not. You are definitely twisting my quote. This was a post posted after the first drive responding to you complaining about passing the ball.

Please post your post that I was responding to before you accuse me of something.

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Look up my post history this week. While I may not have railed for Develin in the game thread (it was early and I had to play host soon after), I had called for running the Damn ball. To ridicule from yourself. I'm pretty sure I mentioned Develin pregame in the game thread...give me a few minutes

woolster22 said:

I want to see plenty of develin leading the way. He is just as good catching the ball as hooman is, and would pose a wrinkle not exploited much this year in play action assuming they try to take Gronk away. Plus he is a beast. If Hooman is out there and no develin...it will be hard to be a polite even tempered host.

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Post 25. STFU

woolster22 said:

Look up my post history this week. While I may not have railed for Develin in the game thread (it was early and I had to play host soon after), I had called for running the Damn ball. To ridicule from yourself. I'm pretty sure I mentioned Develin pregame in the game thread...give me a few minutes

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Again, what does that have to do with whether Blount had a lead back on the TD? And you were wrong, because the Pats blew out the Dolphins without running that much at all.

woolster22 said:

Post 25. STFU

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You mean a post I never read nor never responded to? You got me there. here is the post I responded to:

Run the ball. Run the God Damn ball. Not with Vereen either. Run the Damn ball.

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Anyone see the pic of Brady and chandler jones in the locker room? I think it's on Twitter or Instagram. Since I do neither, can someone find it and post it up?

rochrist said:

Probably the coaching staff that saw the Dolphins LBing corps decimated and saw a lot of yards to be gained. A notion that, I might add, was working very well on the opening drive until the LB managed a rather flukey interception by managing to tip the pass.

And again, do you think Josh came up with that all by himself?

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I disagree that it was "working very well".

Rob and I had a discussion about that in the game thread as well. EDELMAN/Vereen were the only 2 skill players involved in that series, and 2 of those Edelman grabs required crazy moves after the catch to be worth a damn.

Basically, they weren't incredibly successful at all. I think BB has a hand in every thing but I don't subscribe to the idea he micromanages every unit. Even so, we know is for a fact who calls the plays. If something clearly isn't working the guy calling the plays should be the 1st to change personnel.

Archeryaddict12 said:

Anyone see the pic of Brady and chandler jones in the locker room? I think it's on Twitter or Instagram. Since I do neither, can someone find it and post it up?

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manxman2601 said:

In our last three interactions you have:

1. Accused me of being a fantasy football 'expert'. I've never played it at all.

2. Accused me of being a CFL 'expert'. I've never watched a game and know nothing about the sport.

3. Accused me of liking Patterson over Collins. Since the moment that trade and pick was made, I have been a consistent 100% supporter of the Collins pick.

I am one of the biggest homers on this forum. I have never criticised a draft pick. I have never criticised a single transaction (I don't think). The reason is that I don't think I'm qualified to criticise BB and so I don't.

As for being a "knower of all things NFL personnel", show me where I demonstrate that. I focus on the draft and I've had some successes in terms of scouting potential prospects but I've also had failures which I've been open about.

I only have negative interactions with you and one other poster. Personally I don't think that's on me after all, you initiate every single one.




No. And that's not through lack of interest, that's because I live in the UK.

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You are one the most knowledgeable and respectful people on this board, this site is better because of you.

Joker said:

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Thanks, should be a caption thread

Brady6 said:

You are one the most knowledgeable and respectful people on this board, this site is better because of you.

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I appreciate that. It's a shame Joker is too prejudiced to see that I'm almost always positive about the Pats.

I'm not sure how some people still cannot see that Gray is better than Blount. Give the man his props. They played better with Gray in the game, regardless of why they played better, THEY DID. Gray had one play for negative yards and it was only 1 yard. What the did Vereen and Blount do? And I'm not talking the TDs but the rushes. I'm glad someone got their head out of their ass and put him in. He couldn't do any worse and in fact did better.

And since Rob is so insistent that they changed the line up in the second half with two back sets and that was the reason for Gray's production I went and looked at both Gray's and Blount's runs in the second. I'm also going to remove the last drive because according to him it was against a bunch of scrubs and shouldn't count.

Gray--------------Blount
5 ------------------3
-1------------------2
14-----------------2
5
6
2

The entire day Blount had one run for at least 5 yards and only two for 3 or more. IDK but I really feel there is no excuse anymore to not Start Gray. It should be his job to lose.

West Philly Patriot said:

I disagree that it was "working very well".

Rob and I had a discussion about that in the game thread as well. EDELMAN/Vereen were the only 2 skill players involved in that series, and 2 of those Edelman grabs required crazy moves after the catch to be worth a damn.

Basically, they weren't incredibly successful at all. I think BB has a hand in every thing but I don't subscribe to the idea he micromanages every unit. Even so, we know is for a fact who calls the plays. If something clearly isn't working the guy calling the plays should be the 1st to change personnel.

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Well, not sure what marching down the field 42 yards in 5 plays is if its not working well.

The plays are called according to what they've laid out in the game plan. And obviously, Brady can audible out of any play. And I don't believe that Josh does the gameplan all by himself, not even close to it.

manxman2601 said:

I appreciate that. It's a shame Joker is too prejudiced to see that I'm almost always positive about the Pats.

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I put him and a few others on ignore a few months back and I have not had one argument on here since. I am also enjoying my time on here much more. Some people are insecure and easily threatened by people they perceive to be intelligent. I am accused often of being a fantasy football fan and I have played it once back in 2005 and I didn't like it at all, to much work for me. Just the same I'm not sure why being a fantasy football fan is this boards version of calling a girl ugly to her face, it is probably one of the most popular sporting hobbies in the world.