Pats extend Cannon 2 years

supafly · Dec 13, 2014

AzPatsFan said:
So do I. This re-signing of the swing tackle Marcus Cannon, is only a confirmation of that thesis, despite the vehement protests by some Draftniks.

Belichick finally has an opportunity to build a truly dominant Offensive line. He has had to win with good tackles and acceptable hardnosed journeymen in the Offensive interior line. It has hurt in a couple of Superbowls, when one or more of the regulars gets dinged up, like Neal and Hochstein. He has relied on Dante to find acceptable reserves from the tailings of the League's castoffs,while he rebuilt other positions.

Now that the Defense has been reconstructed into a Championship caliber group, with ample depth everywhere, and the Offensive skill positions fortified, BB can do a thorough job on the Offensive line.

UDFA PS graduate players like Kline, Devey and Barker can be upgraded with starting caliber replacements. Re-signing Cannon gives BB a chance with only 3 upgrades to do rather than 4.Turning over 4 positions in a single year is excessive for a winning club.

The "hope" from both the team and fans is that Fleming may be used on the inside of the line. Then again, we constantly heard the same kind of hope with Marcus Cannon as well, and that never happened with any success.

As usual, we really have no idea aside from the fact that Fleming is very likely to get more opportunities at guard. Whether or not he pans out there is anyone's guess. All we can do is hope for the best. In the meantime, he's looked good at the end of the line playing some rotational tackle/extended TE.

I can certainly see why many believed that Fleming would be the replacement to Cannon, however--even if they were incorrect. Cannon was having a miserable year and due for free agency. I highly doubt too many here had him being resigned at the kind of money he brought in--even if it only ends up being for 1 year.

Off The Grid · Dec 13, 2014

ctpatsfan77 said:
We're saying the same thing. I'm simply pointing out that it's already guaranteed against injury (if a first-rounder has an injury that keeps him out of the 2015 season), and will become fully guaranteed at the start of the 2015 season. They can get out of it if they release him before that (they can't trade him, since he goes through waivers).

Off The Grid said:
What??? Good Lord. Please explain that, Brother Connecticut. I've never heard of that in my Life, and I'm eager to learn what you're referring to.

ctpatsfan77 said:
What I was trying to say is that essentially the only way, at this point, that Solder will not receive that $7+M guarantee in 2015 is if he gets cut before the end of the season.

The Patriots cannot trade him before that money becomes fully guaranteed, since it becomes fully guaranteed on day 1 of the 2015 league year.

I could simply be mis-remembering what I read in the CBA, but I believe that technically you can trade a player after the trade deadline, but only by exposing that player to waiver claims first (as in baseball, except that there are no "take backs" if you find out the player would get claimed).

Ahhh...

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The Context of your original Post was within the TimeFrame of the current Campaign. Thanks!!

shmessy · Dec 14, 2014

GREAT points by Mike Reiss about this this morning:

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-...151/quick-hit-thoughts-around-nfl-patriots-37

See #3 about "David Dunn insurance".

Also see #4.

In the context of those two points, this contract makes a LOT more sense.

kennyb · Dec 14, 2014

I'm baffled by this. Maybe they plan Vollmer to lt and cannon to right. And to cut solder.

DaBronxPats14 · Dec 14, 2014

RayClay said:
how much guaranteed? Meaningless without that figure.

Don't Know if this was mentioned, here's break down:

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-...4774132/breaking-down-marcus-cannons-contract

Marqui · Dec 14, 2014

kennyb said:
Maybe they plan Vollmer to lt and cannon to right. And to cut solder.

Great plan, replace an OT with an even worse one.

Miguel · Dec 14, 2014

It could be that the Pats will cut Vollmer rather than have his 2015 cap number be $8,083,333.
Vollmer will reached NLTBE incentives this year making them LTBE for 2015.
$2,250,000 salary
$2,083,333 prorated signing bonus
$1,000,000 roster bonus due 3rd day of league year
$1,000,000 46-man man active roster bonus ($62,500*16)
$1,750,000 playing-time incentive

Julius · Dec 15, 2014

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-...291/patriots-offensive-snaps-jonas-gray-is-in

It looks like the Patriots chose to put Cannon in at left tackle, and slide Solder out to TE for 8 plays. Solder then had to leave the game for a play. I'm surprised they didn't slide Cannon out to TE so they wouldn't lose a play with Solder.

Oswlek · Dec 15, 2014

Julius said:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-...291/patriots-offensive-snaps-jonas-gray-is-in

It looks like the Patriots chose to put Cannon in at left tackle, and slide Solder out to TE for 8 plays. Solder then had to leave the game for a play. I'm surprised they didn't slide Cannon out to TE so they wouldn't lose a play with Solder.

Cannon has looked better at OT than he has as a 6th lineman, so maybe they thought the improvement in end-line blocking for eight plays outweighed the drop off for one.

Armen Da Pats Fan · Dec 15, 2014

I really don't like or dislike Cannon, he just seems like he is moving at a different speed out there - SLOWER - than the action around him and often seems to be spun around, out of position, confused...

Yesterday, on the CBS pregame show (I think, or maybe it was the NFL Network), they showed clips from the week 1 loss to Miami and Brady on the ground after sacks or hits and every time, there was Cannon, looking like he couldn't remember when he parked his car in the mall parking lot.

rochrist · Dec 15, 2014

Miguel said:
It could be that the Pats will cut Vollmer rather than have his 2015 cap number be $8,083,333.
Vollmer will reached NLTBE incentives this year making them LTBE for 2015.
$2,250,000 salary
$2,083,333 prorated signing bonus
$1,000,000 roster bonus due 3rd day of league year
$1,000,000 46-man man active roster bonus ($62,500*16)
$1,750,000 playing-time incentive

Vollmer is by far their best OL player.

RobertWeathers · Dec 15, 2014

Armen Da Pats Fan said:
I really don't like or dislike Cannon, he just seems like he is moving at a different speed out there - SLOWER - than the action around him and often seems to be spun around, out of position, confused...

Yesterday, on the CBS pregame show (I think, or maybe it was the NFL Network), they showed clips from the week 1 loss to Miami and Brady on the ground after sacks or hits and every time, there was Cannon, looking like he couldn't remember when he parked his car in the mall parking lot.

He was playing guard for the 1st time all year. There was a lot of bad football that day but you can argue that the coaches did a real crappy job of properly preparing him to play that position.

Armen Da Pats Fan · Dec 15, 2014

robertweathers said:
He was playing guard for the 1st time all year. There was a lot of bad football that day but you can argue that the coaches did a real crappy job of properly preparing him to play that position.

Ok, I'll grant that, but it has been the same as the season has progressed...he just hasn't distinguished himself to me, and certainly not to the tune of $9 mil.

RobertWeathers · Dec 15, 2014

Armen Da Pats Fan said:
Ok, I'll grant that, but it has been the same as the season has progressed...he just hasn't distinguished himself to me, and certainly not to the tune of $9 mil.

I hear you. 2014 has not been a stand out season for Cannon. With the contract,they team thinks that he is an above-average OT and has the potential to play G. When Vollmer went down, Cannon was pretty dominant at RT. I'm sure that memory was at the top of their minds when offering him that deal.

Armen Da Pats Fan · Dec 16, 2014

robertweathers said:
I hear you. 2014 has not been a stand out season for Cannon. With the contract,they team thinks that he is an above-average OT and has the potential to play G. When Vollmer went down, Cannon was pretty dominant at RT. I'm sure that memory was at the top of their minds when offering him that deal.

It is definitely fair to say I have questioned moves in the past that have turned out fine. I fully acknowledge Belichick & Company know what the hell they're doing. I hope this proves to be another time I am wrong! Lol!

mgteich · Dec 16, 2014

Who thinks that Belichick will pay over $18M of new money to the OT position this year? I presume that Vollmer would start and reach any game incentives. The cap effect is actually over $19M.

SOLDER ($7.438M)

VOLLMER ($6.000M) his bonus is excluded
$2.25 + $1.00M + 1.00M +1.75M

CANNON ($4.750M)
$3.2M + $1.2M + $.3M +.1M
=====================
My expectation is that Solder will never count $7.438M against the cap. He will sign a new contract before the season starts or be a free agent. I suppose they could trade him if they thought that anyone wanted to guarantee Solder $7.438M for his 2015 services.

Urgent · Dec 16, 2014

shmessy said:
GREAT points by Mike Reiss about this this morning:

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-...151/quick-hit-thoughts-around-nfl-patriots-37

See #3 about "David Dunn insurance".

Also see #4.

In the context of those two points, this contract makes a LOT more sense.

That is an expensive game of chicken.

To me, this only makes sense if you are considering Cannon at RT and Vollmer at LT because you are unwilling to pay Solder $8mm. But that sets up two tough options.
Behind door number one, you have Vollmer at LT and Cannon at RT, spending around $10mm on starting OT's but great risk at the spot Cannon is mounting.
Behind door number two, you have Solder at LT and Vollmer at RT, with Solder at a lower figure, but paying Cannon, so spending around $16mm on OT's.
Behind door number three, you have the $18mm option with Solder on his one-year deal. The guess is that the $9mm figure is a hedge to avoid paying Solder $8mm. Expensive option.

Oswlek · Dec 16, 2014

Urgent said:
That is an expensive game of chicken.

To me, this only makes sense if you are considering Cannon at RT and Vollmer at LT because you are unwilling to pay Solder $8mm. But that sets up two tough options.
Behind door number one, you have Vollmer at LT and Cannon at RT, spending around $10mm on starting OT's but great risk at the spot Cannon is mounting.
Behind door number two, you have Solder at LT and Vollmer at RT, with Solder at a lower figure, but paying Cannon, so spending around $16mm on OT's.
Behind door number three, you have the $18mm option with Solder on his one-year deal. The guess is that the $9mm figure is a hedge to avoid paying Solder $8mm. Expensive option.

Or door number four where you have two good players at tackle and a solid backup paid a reasonable amount of money.

If Solder stays (at a lower cost most likely) Cannon remains a backup and is paid $2-3mm a year. This is hardly debilitating for a guy you consider a viable backup at one one of the most necessary positions on the field.

If Solder goes, then NE has two starters being paid reasonable salaries and a rookie who has looked competent to date. This is only an issue if Cannon blows, but the fact that NE extended him should at least make us pause in forming that opinion.

Not seeing the problem.

rochrist · Dec 16, 2014

Urgent said:
That is an expensive game of chicken.

To me, this only makes sense if you are considering Cannon at RT and Vollmer at LT because you are unwilling to pay Solder $8mm. But that sets up two tough options.
Behind door number one, you have Vollmer at LT and Cannon at RT, spending around $10mm on starting OT's but great risk at the spot Cannon is mounting.
Behind door number two, you have Solder at LT and Vollmer at RT, with Solder at a lower figure, but paying Cannon, so spending around $16mm on OT's.
Behind door number three, you have the $18mm option with Solder on his one-year deal. The guess is that the $9mm figure is a hedge to avoid paying Solder $8mm. Expensive option.

Personally, I think Vollmer would be an upgrade at LT over Solder. His durability would worry me though.

Ring 6 · Dec 16, 2014

shmessy said:
GREAT points by Mike Reiss about this this morning:

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-...151/quick-hit-thoughts-around-nfl-patriots-37

See #3 about "David Dunn insurance".

Also see #4.

In the context of those two points, this contract makes a LOT more sense.

Terrific stat from that article:

In Bill Belichick's tenure as Patriots head coach, the team is 121-12 when it has a positive turnover differential,

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