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Ayers will most likely test unrestricted free agency.

I would only sign Branch to a veteran minimum deal.

Ayers is just a pretty good ball player and hope he stays. Branch i agree. But his run stuffing has been pretty good. Teams don't seem to be gashing us as much as they were beginning of the year
 
Ayers is just a pretty good ball player and hope he stays. Branch i agree. But his run stuffing has been pretty good. Teams don't seem to be gashing us as much as they were beginning of the year
The New England Patriots can't afford to pay everyone.

I rate Wilfork and Siliga ahead of Branch with regard to the nose tackle position.
 
The New England Patriots can't afford to pay everyone.

I rate Wilfork and Siliga ahead of Branch with regard to the nose tackle position.

I agree. They won't pay more then vet min for Branch
 
Really? Huge mobile guy making a line impenetrable? I think that's worth a lot more than vet min.
It is, not sure what they're talking about.
 
I don't care what we pay Revis to keep him. Watching our secondary go from a bottom 5 to a top 5 unit in the NFL, makes Revis worth every penny.
 
Been watching the Pats since the 70's.

As good as Clayborn, Mike Haynes, Tye Law were, they weren't like Revis.

Never seen anything like Revis before.

And while we like to point out how much easier it is to pass in todays NFL, think about how much harder it is to be a corner in todays NFL.

Revis has shown from the beginning he is a business man.

When he is on the field he gives 110% . But he is still a businessman.

He is going to expect to be paid commensurate with what he brings to the field. And I have never seen anyone better at what he does.

When you think of how he can simply remove the best receivers in the league from a game like they aren't even on the field, it is going to take a big number before you are truly overpaying him.

Sure hope the Pats can work out a long term deal with him.
 
I am OK paying Revis 15 mill a year even if it would affect another position on D or on O for that matter. He is just that game changer BB hasn't had in a LONG time. I think the pats (BB, Kraft and other brass) know this and are willing to open up the bank.

People always call the pats cheap. But when they see someone being top of their position. They pay VERY well and usually make that played the top paid. Just like Wilfork, Gronk, Mayo (i think) Mankins ect.
 
For whatever it may be worth to you, I wonder if you are overreacting a bit to the play/importance of Akeem Ayers, with your projection of 4/16? Personally, I would have a difficult time envisioning that kind of a deal for him here.

Possibly. But there is a market for pass rushers, and he will be worth something. BB has compared Ayers to Ninkovich, and I could see him valuing him the way he does Ninkovich and Arrington, so I used Arrington's deal as a template. I think that would be a good deal to keep Ayers in NE - he might get more elsewhere, but not necessarily, and he's fit in well here. At age 25 he'd still be young enough when this contract is done to get another, assuming he merits it.

Rob Ninkovich's conract expires after 2016, and I think of Ayers as moving into his slot. Jones and Hightower are still on 1st contract money for another year and Collins for 2. Ninkovich will be 32 when his current deal expires. So see locking up Ayers as a good way of ensuring a DE/LB rotation for the next 4 years.

If it takes less, so much the better in terms of cap space. But that's why I used that number as a starting point.

Though we don't know the details yet, Marcus Cannon's 2 year/$9M contract with a $3.2M signing bonus could be a useful guide to an Ayers deal. Cannon is not a starter, but he's someone who BB seems to think is a valuable rotational player who deserves playing time:

Though the idea of rotating on the offensive line at any spot, especially the ever-important tackle position, is a unique one, Belichick doesn’t see Cannon’s rotational role at tackle much differently than more traditional subbing in of players at other spots in the lineup.

“I think all three of those guys are good football players. They’ve all played tackle at a good level. They’ve all started and played well in this league. They’re good players. I think they all deserve to play,” Belichick said when asked about the benefits of Cannon’s rotational reps. “I think they’ve all played well enough to continue to deserve to play. We have confidence with whoever is in there. They all bring many positives to their positions: Sebastian, Nate and Marcus. So, whichever one of them is in there, he brings positives to the position. I don’t see it any differently than the receiver position or the running back position. Guys we’ve put on the field are on the field because they’re productive and they help the team. I’d say the same thing about those three players.”

http://www.patriots.com/news/blog/a...-to-play/164c6c65-fd7e-4499-b204-debbe5a6541a

I think Ayers falls into roughly the same class: a valuable rotational player who has been productive and helped the team, and who deserves to play. He's played much better than Cannon this year, though he has a smaller body of work. If the Pats value Cannon enough to give him a 2 year deal at $4.5M per maximum value, I don't see why a 4/$16 is out of Ayers' range. Like swing tackles, rotational pass rushers are valued in the NFL.
 
http://www.hngn.com/articles/52559/...ots-re-sign-darrelle-revis-in-free-agency.htm

It seems that Kraft is already working on Revis...

"There are some signs that an extension could be worked out - over the summer, there was a report that owner Robert Kraft had already started working on Revis, trying to convince him to stick around," wrote Christopher Price of WEEI.com. "By all accounts, Revis has enjoyed his relatively brief time in New England, and an optimist could point to the case of wide receiver Randy Moss following the 2007 season, a situation where the receiver signed a three-year deal to stick around Foxboro for what was considered below market cost."
 

That report is months old like TC or the first weeks of the season when one of our guys was saying the same thing. And that website written by who?

There was a huge thread here based on a report they were working to a long term thing..but nothing ever came of it.

I am sure Kraft and BB have said to him we really like you and hope you can stick around for sure.
 
When Revis was with the Jets, and even arguably better than he is now, I questioned his worth, because an Elite CB can only shut down one WR, which does allow help elsewhere, but on a team like the Jets he really is only so valuable...

What I never took into consideration with that argument on why he wasn't worth the money is how valuable he is to a team with a well above average offense.

Revis has single handedly accounted for our offense having more possessions this season, that hasn't mattered to the Jets in recent history, in New England, giving our offense the ball back means a lot.

Its really hard to gauge the value of one CB on his own, but when you consider who he gives the ball back to, he's worth nearly as much as Brady.

On teams like GB, NE, and DEN, an elite CB is worth as much or more than an elite WR, the QBs are going to make things happen no matter who theyre throwing to, but very few teams have more than one elite WR who an elite CB can help limit, the value truly rises the better team that CB is on, it's pretty awesome to think about how much more he helps us than he ever helped his previous teams.
 
When Revis was with the Jets, and even arguably better than he is now, I questioned his worth, because an Elite CB can only shut down one WR, which does allow help elsewhere, but on a team like the Jets he really is only so valuable...

What I never took into consideration with that argument on why he wasn't worth the money is how valuable he is to a team with a well above average offense.

Revis has single handedly accounted for our offense having more possessions this season, that hasn't mattered to the Jets in recent history, in New England, giving our offense the ball back means a lot.

Its really hard to gauge the value of one CB on his own, but when you consider who he gives the ball back to, he's worth nearly as much as Brady.

On teams like GB, NE, and DEN, an elite CB is worth as much or more than an elite WR, the QBs are going to make things happen no matter who theyre throwing to, but very few teams have more than one elite WR who an elite CB can help limit, the value truly rises the better team that CB is on, it's pretty awesome to think about how much more he helps us than he ever helped his previous teams.

The Jets suck don't get me wrong, but when he was with them, they did make 2 straight AFC championships, and were constantly a pain in our ass....

Revis isn't just a shutdown corner, he's a once in a blue moon type player...
 
Slater is a pretty important part of the team, If you disagree just look at the plays he made last night on special teams, bringing guys down on punt returns for huge net punts giving the pats even better field position.

ST gets very little credit (hell, to this day, Slater is still listed as a WR on the roster), but it's certainly a legitimate argument as to whether Slater is the GOAT at what he does.
 
I think Revisland will want a million/game but he might sign for 3/45mil
 
Revis is not better than Sanders. Despite Sanders being a better corner he was a guy who also went out and got a 500 yard receiving season and over his career took 155 kickoffs back for 3500 yards - almost 23 yards average per return. Plus 2200 yards of punt returns with an average of 10.4. So he was also doing more for the teams in other areas while being THE shutdown corner.

In fact someone above mentioned that Revis is the best player on the team. While he is elite and best at his potion today and the best of his generation he will never be considered the best CB all time. Gronk on the other hand can be considered the best TE of all time, assuming he stays healthy.
You also forgot to mention Deion also played 9 years of MLB. Even led the league in triples once despite only playing in 97 games.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sandede02.shtml
 
Well, I know we can't franchise him. I guess if they decide he's too expensive they could always trade him before the option comes due at the end of the league year.
blasphemy.jpg :eek:
 
Pre free agency/salary cap the great teams had such an advantage. The 70's steelers could keep all their HOFs for their entire primes. Today no chance
 
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