Ray Rice transcript raises questions

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Goodell was the first witness in the arbitration hearing, and the transcript shows that he was not prepared to testify, that his answers were vague and inconsistent, and that he did not seem to grasp important procedures established in the league's personal conduct policy.

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44 million dollars a year doesn't buy as much as it once did.

it buys THIS.....



the scarecrow has more brains however.....

This should be bigger news, but for all of us who wished to see him gone...it doesn't seem like it's gonna happen. This story is buried. Though the stupid new conduct policy DOES bring his idiocy to the forefront, so we can still hope.

He is so out of his depth.

Nikolai said:

This should be bigger news, but for all of us who wished to see him gone...it doesn't seem like it's gonna happen. This story is buried. Though the stupid new conduct policy DOES bring his idiocy to the forefront, so we can still hope.

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I don't know that the conduct policy is that stupid. It seems designed to fix or avoid repeats of a bunch of mistakes he never should have made in the first place.

Say what you will guys but Bob Kraft was instrumental in drafting this and stood beside Goodell on the podium announcing it. Is it time to hand over the reins to Jonathan?

Fencer said:

I don't know that the conduct policy is that stupid. It seems designed to fix or avoid repeats of a bunch of mistakes he never should have made in the first place.

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The policy itself may or may not be stupid (Have you actually read it? - Devil is usually in the details)

But we can say that the implementation of the change already repeats all the worst-isms of the Go-To-Hell era; FIAT DECISIONS by an AUTOCRAT with a big head that arent coordinated with the stakeholders.

He had an opportunity to show everyone he learned somehting and maybe release this at a joint press-conf with the NFLPA.

But of course; 'we'll do it my way."

We need to reincarnate that English knight who chopped off Thomas Becket's head: 'Will know one rid me of this man."

PatsWickedPissah said:

Say what you will guys but Bob Kraft was instrumental in drafting this and stood beside Goodell on the podium announcing it. Is it time to hand over the reins to Jonathan?

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So frustrating. Kraft said, regarding not handing final discipline power to someone else:

(Goodell's) the one person who understands the long-term best interests of the game.

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It's clear the owners want Goodell there. Hate that Kraft is out front rallying for this guy.

PatsWickedPissah said:

Say what you will guys but Bob Kraft was instrumental in drafting this and stood beside Goodell on the podium announcing it. Is it time to hand over the reins to Jonathan?

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I'm not sure I'd go that far, or even that Jonathan would be any different, but it is unfortunate to see how much Bob Kraft has done for the franchise when he shows so much support for Goodell. It's not just him, it's all the owners, because they would lose too much money if they didn't support the guy.

Why would they lose any $?
I fail to see Roger's unique business, revenue skills that are not exceeded by a huge majority of successful corporate CEOs. And as someone with decades of experience reporting directly to CEOs, I do not think that highly of most CEOs.

PatsWickedPissah said:

Say what you will guys but Bob Kraft was instrumental in drafting this and stood beside Goodell on the podium announcing it. Is it time to hand over the reins to Jonathan?

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is this a serious question? This can't POSSIBLY be a serious question.

robertweathers said:

He is so out of his depth.

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In some respects, we were spoiled by Tagliabue, a bright guy ( attorney and Rhodes Scholar finalist) who was CEO as this business expanded. He handled his own crises 9/11 and Saints post-Katrina but it was done with deliberation and consideration (hallmarks of a good atty- which he was at a White Shoes DC law firm) where Goodell jumped in when the situation called for deliberation and not haste ( Spygate, Bountygate)
As you said, he's out of his depth...

PatsWickedPissah said:

I fail to see Roger's unique business, revenue skills that are not exceeded by a huge majority of successful corporate CEOs.

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I don't get it either. If any of us were as bad at our jobs as Goodell has been, we'd be looking for a new job. He offers no value over a replacement, and at this point, is proving more a detriment than being of any worth.

BradyManny said:

I don't get it either. If any of us were as bad at our jobs as Goodell has been, we'd be looking for a new job. He offers no value over a replacement, and at this point, is proving more a detriment than being of any worth.

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Yes
Goodell is the Hoomanawanui of the league. Nobody outside can understand why he's there.
On 2nd thought, I take it back as that denigrates Hooman too much.

PatsWickedPissah said:

Yes
Goodell is the Hoomanawanui of the league. Nobody outside can understand why he's there.
On 2nd thought, I take it back as that denigrates Hooman too much.

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If Hooman actively tackled Brady instead of just allowing others to do it, the comparison would be more apt.

After reading that, Goodell comes across as an ignorant buffoon AT BEST and the question still remains as to why the owners support him so much.

I don't think he will ever again be able to make a public appearance in his role without being booed incessantly. What a moron.

Patsfanin Philly said:

In some respects, we were spoiled by Tagliabue, a bright guy ( attorney and Rhodes Scholar finalist) who was CEO as this business expanded. He handled his own crises 9/11 and Saints post-Katrina but it was done with deliberation and consideration (hallmarks of a good atty- which he was at a White Shoes DC law firm) where Goodell jumped in when the situation called for deliberation and not haste ( Spygate, Bountygate)
As you said, he's out of his depth...

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It seems like for what they pay, Tags should be the expectation.

Oswlek said:

If Hooman actively tackled Brady instead of just allowing others to do it, the comparison would be more apt.

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And made 50x what he does for doing it.

Really interesting read - very worthwhile clicking that link. It's been an ugly but fascinating inside look at the league, the Ravens, and the dynamics of league decisions.
Some aspects of the NFL are incredibly well-managed. Others are just sloppy - and this seems to have been surprisingly sloppy for such a high-profile issue.
On one hand, there is the story of player entitlement - an example of a player exploding with violence when someone talked back to him. On the other hand, there is a very similar story of league executive entitlement - a blustery series of decisions seemingly based on gut-feel, and the perception that the gut feel of the chief executive is all the league needs.

I know this is the point, but Goodell would hammer a player if they weren't 100% honest and accurate when dealing with him. There are articles about Goodell that state he hates to be lied to. I believe this was one of the many mistakes Michael Vick made.

Apparently, he either doesn't think he was being dishonest by saying one thing in his letter and another in his testimony or he's exempt from his high standards.

BradyManny said:

I don't get it either. If any of us were as bad at our jobs as Goodell has been, we'd be looking for a new job. He offers no value over a replacement, and at this point, is proving more a detriment than being of any worth.

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He still has value as a fall guy. This might be like a statement from an owner that the current 2-10 coach has his full support. (Well, I hope at least. )