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People sure love to debate technicalities!
It looked like a hard clean hit to me, shoulder to shoulder.
Any contact to the facemask that people are claiming looks incidental.

And I'm not even sure what the term 'forcible hit' means, but clearly it needs to be defined in black and white terms so everyone knows what it means -- including the players, the refs, and yes the fans watching the game who paid good money for the product.
 
Browner seems pretty clear who he is:

“I’m getting tired about hearing about trying to control my physicality and all that, man,” Browner said. “This is a violent sport. I’m a big guy. They brought me here for a reason. To be that way. I’m here for a reason — to be me. Physical. You know what I mean?”

http://www.providencejournal.com/sp...11-browner-gratified-by-support-from-fans.ece

He also sounds pretty happy to be a Patriot:

“It’s awesome,” Browner said. “Definitely for someone like me, who is new here, for the simple fact that guys are open to you. It’s a new place for me. I can come in and be myself. I’m accepted.”

That’s what the Patriots want: for Browner to be himself. And that’s why he couldn’t be happier to be here in Foxboro.

“It’s awesome, man. I love it. Every minute it,” Browner said. “I’m fortunate to be on a good football team. The guys, we’ve got a close knit group. It’s awesome.”
 
My take:
After watching up-close replay with league apologist Blandino on the NFLN, I begrudgingly agree
that the hit was technically a penalty; not helmet-to-helmet, but shoulder-to-facemask.
However, for some to claim that the receiver was defenseless - and therefore should be, like, allowed?!?
to catch the ball is absolutely preposterous. He needed to be de-cleated, but Browner just has to do a
better job of lowering his shoulder until it is below the opponent's neck, and of leading with his arms
in a more obvious wrapping-up motion.

He is six four. Lets say he gets down to waist level of a sub 6' BB smurf type who in turn tries dropping out of the way of the truck coming his way. He will still end up "high." I think the league needs to consider the speed and to some degree intent if the player. An upward launching Merriweather at the Baltimore(? Maybe buffalo, maybe both lol) tight end, flag it. A hit like last week? For all Browner knew and should have assumed, it was caught initially. He lowered his body to a degree after cutting back for the hit, and did a good job getting his head to the side.

My problem with the rule is zero tolerance for the speed if the game and a moving target. He kept his head up and lead with the shoulder (and the receiver tried dropping out of it in the split second realization he was about to get lit up), that in no way shape or form should warrant a flag in the nfl. I don't care what the technicalities of the fantasy football rules are. I don't care if the receiver doesn't get up (clean catch in the first place and you have plenty of time to protect yourself). Everybody is playing for a paycheck in a short-lived career.

The way the league has been trending is an insult to the league's history. I remember the "nfl films" if watch every time I stayed him sick as a kid. The steel curtain? Lol, they'd be flagged every play and half of them kicked off the field.

Yes, player safety is an issue. At the same time, they are not forced to sign the contract. Just as many are not forced to choose to be fisherman, miners, etc. At some point somebody needs to tell players, tough luck. You take a huge physical risk every time you steep on the field. You are not going to have the same physical quality of life as someone who sits in a cubicle for a living. You may suffer multiple concussions, and this will probably impact your life in the future.

That said, the concussion protocol is a good step in the right direction. The hyper-critical flagging of every hit, every hand battle (hands to face, being called very inconsistently. Almost the equivalent of offensive holding, you could call it every play) is an absolute tragedy, impacting games in ridiculous ways.

Oh, you hung your receiver out to dry? Here's a first down and fifteen yards, nice job!
 
I'm in the great hit, bad call side of this. Here's how I see it in the context of the rules. He was defenseless while attempting to make the initial catch...he failed...after the failed attempt at making a catch the receiver then tried to recover the missed attempt rather than trying to avoid the hit by bobbling the failed catch attempt in hopes to recover. Browner does what he does...shoulder to shoulder...hit him so hard that the receivers head snaps forward and back which could give the appearance of shoulder to face mask. The receiver was no longer defenseless because he failed at catching the pass and was in the process of trying to recover a missed catch.
 
98.5 The Sports Hub ‏@985TheSportsHub 7m7 minutes ago
NFL VP of Officiating Dean Blandino says Browner hit was NOT helmet-to-helmet, @Greshandzo discuss: http://cbsloc.al/1yQwhvr

probably already posted but lost in this cluster ****

Thanks for posting this BTM.

Are there some people suggesting it was helmet to helmet? The video shows it was not helmet to helmet. The video shows the helmets are side to lower side while the shoulder to shoulder it was causes the reactive forces/change of motions. The actual call, the helmet to helmet penalty, is already declared wrong/debunked (at least I thought that much was clear).
But I'm curious if any former official/someone in the know commented on the 'defenseless player' angle? That's the one I see that has any tangible argument.
 
I can't blame Browner or the refs. Both had a split-second to react and do their jobs without much choice under today's rules.

(Speaking of which, if it's true that NFL staff said the right call was "hitting a defenseless receiver", it means hitting him any lower would be the same 15 yard penalty.)

Instead, the way the sport is set up, the opposing quarterback and his team are responsible for snapping the ball and advancing it at their leisure. Want your receiver to catch the ball in-stride while running fast towards the biggest corner in the game? It's obviously a bad idea the first time it happens and teams should learn from this in future games.

Unfortunately, the lack of instant review gives a different lesson: if you're desperate for a come-back win, make a dangerous throw that might bounce off your player towards a physical corner. Normally you might risk an interception, but in this cause you can earn a 15 yard "completion" even if you pass to the wrong team. Will the quarterback be flagged? No. But the opponent might be.

Finally: we should be happy this play happened since we won the game in the end. That penalty would have been called the biggest factor if we lost, but we were able to stay on top. It made the Patriots more hungry to prove themselves and work even harder, and will make future opponents more careful about running similar plays. And if it happens again? As long as our cornerback and team are healthy and we still win the game, I don't care what dangerous stunts the opponents do.
 
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(Speaking of which, if it's true that NFL staff said the right call was "hitting a defenseless receiver", it means hitting him any lower would be the same 15 yard penalty.)

No, it doesn't mean that. Read the text of the rule (which has been posted multiple times in this thread). Defenseless receivers are only protected against hits to the head or neck area by the shoulder, forearm, or helmet. You can hit a defenseless receiver anywhere else and be fine (so long as you don't break some other rule, such as illegally spearing and the like).
 
According to numerous tweets, Browner was NOT fined for the hit....

If he was i would have donated for that. Would have been complete and utter BS had he been fined. Was still a BS call that needs to be reviewed..especially when a score is involved on the same play.

Browner isn't changing who he is and you can tell by the flags he gets but i am fine with it..but i wonder if the coaching staff is because come playoffs..some of his holds can get a team in trouble and fast.

Does anyone have the total # of flags thrown on BB this year?
 
If Browner had chosen to go for the bobbling ball ( which he clearly could have) and Green lit Browner up with the same hit, would Green have been flagged?
 
If he was i would have donated for that. Would have been complete and utter BS had he been fined. Was still a BS call that needs to be reviewed..especially when a score is involved on the same play.

Browner isn't changing who he is and you can tell by the flags he gets but i am fine with it..but i wonder if the coaching staff is because come playoffs..some of his holds can get a team in trouble and fast.

Does anyone have the total # of flags thrown on BB this year?

I'm not worried about Browner game come playoff time one bit. Just for the sole reason the refs let them play a lil bit more come playoff time.
 
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I'm not worried about Browner game come playoff time one bit. Just for the sole reason the refs let them play a lil bit more come playoff time.

Well we don't know this yet since they have been told to call it a lot more closely this year. This is the first playoffs we will see if they keep the flags in their pockets or not since being told to pretty much call everything.
 
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