Darrelle Revis

Has anyone found Keenan Allen yet? Maybe he has found a volleyball to talk to

JMC00 said:

"No. Revis doesn't get any credit because the Chargers went into the game deciding not to throw his way so you can't really tell how he actually did"

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With Mazz, it's sometimes hard to tell which part is dumber, the part with the headset on it or the part with the cast on it.

JarOfMayo51 said:

No, Mccourty is priority 1 and Revis is in a very close 2nd as priority 2
Ghostkowksi would be priority 3 but I think they'll just franchise him

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I can understand why you see it that way, but I respectfully disagree.

I think that there's no doubt that Darrelle Revis is clearly the number one priority at this point, and that may even be above both McCourty and Gostkowski together--and they are two excellent pieces here.

I don't think you can replace a guy like Darrelle Revis, as a matter of fact I know you can't.

As crazy as I once thought it may be and still do, I'm beginning to start to think that we would pay the 20 million dollars if they cannot reach a reasonable extension that both parties would agree to.

They'll obviously be trying to hammer out an extension one way or another, but if it comes down to it, they are NOT going to let him go. Belichick is simply too smart to let him reach free agency.

The problem is that the decision must be made relatively soon IIRC--possibly at the end of the regular season, which certainly throws a wrench into the process.

@Miguel --can you clarify when the decision would need to be made in terms of the second year (20 million dollars) of the deal? Am I right in remembering that it's relatively earlier than most would think? Thank you.

It's true that there are a lot of people that need to be signed next year but I just don't understand how anyone can say that Revis isn't the first priority. This guy makes every player on D from Ayers to Wilfork look better because he takes away his man totally without needing much help for the most part. McCourty is now able to double on Browner's side. Jones, Wilfork, Collins, and Ayers now have more time to get to the QB, etc. Game changers like Revis are the type of guys you PAY!

Thank goodness Tom re-did his deal which seems to exchange larger but non-guaranteed dollars for better long term security. I know it's been discussed endlessly before that Tom was likely pissed because he restructured so they could re-sign Welker, but the reality is I think BB agreed to this because he knew Tom would be his best option until the end of the contract anyway so why not lower his cap number for those later contract years and gain future cap space flexibility that way.

So that contract restructure was never for Welker per se but for the flexibility to extend either multiple good players OR for that single impact player like a Revis who will command quite a bit on his own. Though I'm sure BB didn't have Revis in mind when he and Tom agreed to the current contract which was done way before he was available - what it did however is allow a game changer like Revis who when available, to be signed to a large contract with lots of guarantees. Revis is the guy who allows the team not to be put in a position where they have to sign all the very good players on the roster because he makes others so good with his play. The Pats can choose to let go of some of those players and replace them with either draft picks or lower cost FAs because of Revis' ability to shut down one side of the field.

smg93 said:

Thank goodness Tom re-did his deal which seems to exchange larger but non-guaranteed dollars for better long term security.

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I definitely agree with what you're saying, although I wonder if you meant this the other way around?

Brady received less/smaller money per year, but more-guaranteed dollars for better long term security. As a matter of fact, his total take in guaranteed dollars was directly comparable to the deal that Drew Brees signed, which was around 55 million dollars or so, even though Brees' was for a much higher AAV per year.

Brady made a nice sacrifice for the team in terms of helping to keep the yearly cap hit down, but he definitely made up for it in the guaranteed money, and as we know---it's all about the guaranteed money!

supafly said:

I definitely agree with what you're saying, although I wonder if you meant this the other way around?

Brady received less/smaller money per year, but more-guaranteed dollars for better long term security. As a matter of fact, his total take in guaranteed dollars was directly comparable to the deal that Drew Brees signed, which was around 55 million dollars or so, even though Brees' was for a much higher AAV per year.

Brady made a nice sacrifice for the team in terms of helping to keep the yearly cap hit down, but he definitely made up for it in the guaranteed money, and as we know---it's all about the guaranteed money!

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I believe we are saying the same thing. I should have written to be clearer: Tom re-did his deal which seems to exchange a contract with larger per year numbers but with less guarantees for one with less money per year but is all guaranteed.

supafly said:

As crazy as I once thought it may be and still do, I'm beginning to start to think that we would pay the 20 million dollars if they cannot reach a reasonable extension that both parties would agree to.

They'll obviously be trying to hammer out an extension one way or another, but if it comes down to it, they are NOT going to let him go. Belichick is simply too smart to let him reach free agency.

The problem is that the decision must be made relatively soon IIRC--possibly at the end of the regular season, which certainly throws a wrench into the process.

@Miguel --can you clarify when the decision would need to be made in terms of the second year (20 million dollars) of the deal? Am I right in remembering that it's relatively earlier than most would think? Thank you.

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Jonathan Kraft was on the Sports Hub sometime this weekend, the talk of Revis contract came up, and the $12M he's getting this year, and even JK said something like Revis is playing above his contract worth ( not those exact words)

For JK to go out and publicly say that, tells me the FO holds Revis to the highest regard.

fnordcircle said:

Revis has demonstrated that money is his priority, he won't take a discount anywhere.

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That doesn't mean that he will join a ****show like the Raiders just because their offer is the highest. As long as the Pats offer a competitive contract (not necessarily highest) I think they will make it work.

The Patriots have until the end of the 2014 League Year or right before free agency begins to pick up the option.
If they do pick up the option, Revis will be paid a $12 million roster bonus on April 1st. Have been told that the Patriots have the ability to convert the roster bonus into a signing bonus until April 1st.

Revis is the best player on this team. I suspect the team will do everything in its power to keep him around. Even if it means paying him what his current contract calls for him to be paid next season.

PAY DA Mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Deus Irae said:

In a heartbeat

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In a heart beat is a crazy hyperbole..

Then you'd be talking about how we have horrible free safety play for the next 5+ years while we waste draft pick after draft pick trying to find a guy that's even remotely close to Mccourty in talent

Good free safeties are extremely hard to find, just go take a look at the starters around the league and your mind will be blown at just how bad it is

I think they should get both signed, they'll have Wilforks salary off the books in a few years and Mayo will be reduced/traded/cut to free up even more.

Extending Revis would actually free up a substantial amount of money as well, so there really is no excuse for them losing either one of these guys. .

The team will be better off for it as well because if something were to happen to Brady or he retired, at least our defense could keep the score low and always give us a chance.

You'd have a young, star studded defense with chandler jones, Devin Mccourty, Darrel Revis, Hightower and Collins

When Revis gets to age 33 or 34, he could move to safety and extend his career even further like Champ Bailey and Woodson

JarOfMayo51 said:

Good free safeties are extremely hard to find, just go take a look at the starters around the league and your mind will be blown at just how bad it is

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I think the point is that shutdown corners are even harder to find.

1960Pats said:

Yes I saw Sanders. Revis is better and even tackles runners. He just doesn't talk about himself.

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I'm old enough to have also seen Deion.

Deion was athletic enough to keep up with anybody and still not going full speed.

Revis' technique requires more physical contact. He's got an uncanny ability to get in the way of receivers without it looking like a penalty.

Personally, I'd take Sanders because once Revis gets beat (which is very rare), if the receiver is fast enough, Revis may not catch up.

Deion even when he was beat, could turn on the afterburners and make a play on the ball.

Revis = Bughatti
Deion = Lambo

Both are great in their own way and either one would be a joy to have.

Revis is not better than Sanders. Despite Sanders being a better corner he was a guy who also went out and got a 500 yard receiving season and over his career took 155 kickoffs back for 3500 yards - almost 23 yards average per return. Plus 2200 yards of punt returns with an average of 10.4. So he was also doing more for the teams in other areas while being THE shutdown corner.

In fact someone above mentioned that Revis is the best player on the team. While he is elite and best at his potion today and the best of his generation he will never be considered the best CB all time. Gronk on the other hand can be considered the best TE of all time, assuming he stays healthy.

Allen was on the island from that show Lost Sunday night.

JarOfMayo51 said:

In a heart beat is a crazy hyperbole..

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No, it's not. It's an expression connoting immediacy and a lack of hesitation. If the call comes down to an A v. B situation with Revis and McCourty both having acceptable contract demands but combining to make it impossible to keep both, I take Revis, in a heatbeat.

It isn't even a remotely close call.

JarOfMayo51 said:

In a heart beat is a crazy hyperbole..

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McCourty is very good. Revis is a historical great, an easy HOFer even if he never plays another down.

I have to admit to not seeing the difficulty in choosing between them either.