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SD is the team that got shut out against Miami? What? They looked pretty impressive. Or maybe the Pats OL isn't as good as I thought.

They played a month ago when SD was missing even more players while the Dolphins were still mostly untouched by injuries. Completely different ballgame.
 
  • It'd be nice for Solder to take a class at Matt Light Community College - specifically, advanced tactics for dealing with Freeney's spin moves. I remember Freeney spinning 2 or 3 times on a single pass rush attempt, and Light's job was to try and corral all that movement in.
  • That being said, I think Solder took a few bad whacks last night, but I still like him as our LT of the foreseeable future.
  • I was interested to see the Patriots in a shotgun formation with (I think) Vereen and Bolden on either side of Brady. With the number of RB's they have active (not counting Devlin), I've been waiting for them to put 2 of them on the field at the same time to see what may happen. This was a 3rd & long where Brady rolled out to his right in the end zone and found Edelman for a 1st down. I look forward to seeing a couple runs or screens or play actions out of a formation like that.
 
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* I'm one of Vereen's biggest backers on this site, but has he gotten worse as a runner? Every week I see him take one of Faulk's patented 6 yard draws and get stuffed for no gain. I don't recall Shane being this easy to bring down earlier in his career. What I do recall is him having to dodge and break tackles left and right behind Cal's terrible OL.
 
I've been saying this for a while. I want Browner to stay aggressive and physical - he sets the tone for the back end of the defense. Eliminating the dumb penalties is good, but you are going to have penalties when you are as aggressive as he is, and I'll take it. There have also been a lot of bogus calls on him, as there were tonight. But it's well worth it, all things considered.

I'm with you. Notice how many drops opposing receivers have had the past several games against the Pats? His reputation is putting some unproductive thoughts in their heads.
 
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* I'm one of Vereen's biggest backers on this site, but has he gotten worse as a runner? Every week I see him take one of Faulk's patented 6 yard draws and get stuffed for no gain. I don't recall Shane being this easy to bring down earlier in his career. What I do recall is him having to dodge and break tackles left and right behind Cal's terrible OL.
I had previously compared Vereen unfavorably to Faulk (and received the usual reflexive tantrums). The fact remains he has become a nonfactor as a runner (12 rushes/19 yards in the last three games), but his declining rushing production needs to be viewed in the context of overall offensive trends. Tim Wright has disappeared from the stat sheet the the past couple of weeks as well, along with Gray and Tyms. Still, Vereen sees plenty of snaps as our primary backfield option on passing downs, although this could change (did you see Amendola in the backfield last night?). Now when Vereen enters the game defenses focus on the pass, knowing that he is ineffective as a rusher. This lack of any type of rushing threat on third downs is starting to impact the passing game as well. Although Vereen has produced 134 yards receiving in the last three games, the DL can pin their ears back and rush the QB, and coverage can concentrate on primary targets (Gronk and Edelman). As a result, the OL is struggling, primary targets are having more trouble getting open, and Brady is increasingly getting harassed before he can find secondary targets (and making uncharacteristic mistakes). All these things are inter-related, but my view is the the primary cause is the OL. As Bruschi said this morning:
Even watching the game last night, I said to myself, "If your left tackle can't hold up, it can be a season ender." Solder has to play better the rest of the way.
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While Solder had a rough go of it, it wasn't just Solder. In addition to resembling a sieve on pass protection, they are opening few holes in the running game for Blount as well as Vereen (3.1 yds/carry as a team). To a certain extent, the OL's struggles last night were masked by the most dominant defensive performance of the year. Still, getting the OL back to the level they were performing at a month ago is for me the team's major issue heading into the playoffs.
 
Forgot to mention:

* I'm one of Vereen's biggest backers on this site, but has he gotten worse as a runner? Every week I see him take one of Faulk's patented 6 yard draws and get stuffed for no gain. I don't recall Shane being this easy to bring down earlier in his career. What I do recall is him having to dodge and break tackles left and right behind Cal's terrible OL.

IIRC, Vereen ran with a ton of passion and authority against Cincinnati. 9 carries for 90 yards. He shows slashes, but at other times he really disappears as a runner. The fact that he still shows flashes make me assume that this has mainly to do with his own inconsistency. It's quite vexing.
 
I'm with you. Notice how many drops opposing receivers have had the past several games against the Pats? His reputation is putting some unproductive thoughts in their heads.

It was even more evident after the Green hit last night. You began to see the eyes wander on throws over the middle of the field after that decapitation. I will take the penalties as well because there usually is eventually a payoff.
 
IIRC, Vereen ran with a ton of passion and authority against Cincinnati. 9 carries for 90 yards. He shows slashes, but at other times he really disappears as a runner. The fact that he still shows flashes make me assume that this has mainly to do with his own inconsistency. It's quite vexing.
My view is that it is not so much Vereen being personally inconsistent but more the lack of openings he has. If it were just Vereen, they could plug in James White, who is a virtual copy in terms of skills. Both can see and get through creases, but neither runner possesses good yards-after-contact capability, and they are constantly getting hit in the backfield. That wasn't happening a month ago, and I think that could be the main reason they have not yet replaced Vereen.
 
The only negatives from the defense are that they left the Chargers totally beat up for the Broncos game and showed them a blue print so clear even Del Rio can follow it.
 
but neither runner possesses good yards-after-contact capability

Up until the last month or so, I'd have scoffed at comparing Vereen and White. I'm not sure I've ever seen an NFL running back as easy to tackle as James White has been to date. If he doesn't improve tremendously in this offseason, he'll be out of the league by 2017.

Regrettably, the gap has narrowed. And it isn't because of anything White has done. :(
 
Up until the last month or so, I'd have scoffed at comparing Vereen and White. I'm not sure I've ever seen an NFL running back as easy to tackle as James White has been to date. If he doesn't improve tremendously in this offseason, he'll be out of the league by 2017.

Regrettably, the gap has narrowed. And it isn't because of anything White has done. :(
I would agree that Vereen has grown more tentative, but running into a lot of brick walls will do that.
 
Forgot to mention:

* I'm one of Vereen's biggest backers on this site, but has he gotten worse as a runner? Every week I see him take one of Faulk's patented 6 yard draws and get stuffed for no gain. I don't recall Shane being this easy to bring down earlier in his career. What I do recall is him having to dodge and break tackles left and right behind Cal's terrible OL.

I had similar thoughts on Vereen. Hasn't shown much "it" factor or "spark" lately. Also, it feels like he and Brady are destined to miss on 100% of his wheel routes up the sideline for the rest of their time together. He gets disgustingly wide open on that route sometimes and the ball glances off of, or goes over his hands.
 
I think the SD line is bad and that to some extent lead to our defensive success combined with good coverage. I was just more curious why SD abandoned the run and when they did run, they chose brown over matthews or oliver.
 
I would agree that Vereen has grown more tentative, but running into a lot of brick walls will do that.

So will a nagging injury. That's what I think the real culprit is here.
 
Forgot to mention:

* I'm one of Vereen's biggest backers on this site, but has he gotten worse as a runner? Every week I see him take one of Faulk's patented 6 yard draws and get stuffed for no gain. I don't recall Shane being this easy to bring down earlier in his career. What I do recall is him having to dodge and break tackles left and right behind Cal's terrible OL.

Preaching to the choir....what do you call Vereen running the football = a 3 yard losss if you're lucky. I have a feeling Mr Vereen is getting his walking papers at the end of the year Woodhead > Vereen!
 
So will a nagging injury. That's what I think the real culprit is here.
Good point. We know little about player health and lots of guys are banged up this time of year. I have wondered the same about Solder and the OL. One indirect clue though is that they have a player on the roster who could sub for Vereen, and they have not used him. (I was thinking that an injury to Arrington may have been the reason they used Ryan so much last week.) They could also feel that an injured Vereen is still preferable to a healthy White (who they nevertheless seem to feel is worth keeping around).
 
The only negatives from the defense are that they left the Chargers totally beat up for the Broncos game and showed them a blue print so clear even Del Rio can follow it.

IDK, can Talib do what Revis did with Allen? A huge part of what the Pats did was taking away Allen away from Rivers. Can Ward cover Gates as well as Chung did (yes, Chung is far better in coverage than Ward is)? I think Harris can take away Floyd as well as Browner did and I think the Broncos have the front to pressure Rivers. But without the pieces to totally take away Allen and limit Gates, I am not sure the Broncos can follow the blueprint laid out by the Pats.
 
IIRC, Vereen ran with a ton of passion and authority against Cincinnati. 9 carries for 90 yards. He shows slashes, but at other times he really disappears as a runner. The fact that he still shows flashes make me assume that this has mainly to do with his own inconsistency. It's quite vexing.
I think Vereens vision is average at best. Which in the NFL is a real killer for running backs. Compare him to Woodhead who can find the smallest little crease to get a couple of extra yards. Vereen just doesn't seem to find the holes and the ways to get past defenders. What Vereen brings is being faster than a linebacker. So if he has a swing or wheel route then linebackers won't be able to keep up with him in man coverage. But he isn't one of the running backs you can throw to and hope he can break a tackle or too.
 
Preaching to the choir....what do you call Vereen running the football = a 3 yard losss if you're lucky. I have a feeling Mr Vereen is getting his walking papers at the end of the year Woodhead > Vereen!


Woodhead and Vereen are two different RBs. I don't get why people constantly try to compare them. Woodhead was used more in a Kevin Faulk type of role where he was a run first and receive second type of RB. Vereen is used more like a Darren Sproles is used as a receiver first and rusher second.

Right now, Vereen has 756 yards from scrimmage and 4 TDs. Woodhead's best year as a Patriot (2010) he had 926 yards from scrimmage and 6 TDs. So there is a chance that Vereen matches or exceeds Woodhead's best year. He is only 170 yards and 2 TDs away from Woodhead's best year as a Patriot. The difference is that Vereen got more yards receiving while Woodhead got more yards rushing.
 
IDK, can Talib do what Revis did with Allen? A huge part of what the Pats did was taking away Allen away from Rivers. Can Ward cover Gates as well as Chung did (yes, Chung is far better in coverage than Ward is)? I think Harris can take away Floyd as well as Browner did and I think the Broncos have the front to pressure Rivers. But without the pieces to totally take away Allen and limit Gates, I am not sure the Broncos can follow the blueprint laid out by the Pats.

I was mostly making a joke but if you want to be literal there are lots of bullet points the Broncos can use.

1. Pull the backers up into the A gap to confuse the OL and slow down Rivers decision making.
2. Mix and match who rushes and who drops.
3. Play physical off the line.

While the secondary isn't as good overall their pass rushers are better. They'll have to account for Miller and Ware so if you flood the A Gap and drop them it could cause Rivers fits.

I expect this game to be low scoring with the Chargers giving Manning and their run game issues.
 
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