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This season we've seen 2 guys with "freakish" athletic ability who were 1st round draft picks get benched - RGIII and Cordarelle Patterson. Both guys seem to have had the common issue of relying too much on their athletic ability and have had issues in terms of consistency, preparation, effort and schematic fit. Meanwhile guys like Antonio Brown (6th round pick, 2010) are tearing up the league.

While it's a gross oversimplification, I think there's a more general point here. All players in the NFL have freakish athletic ability compared to the general population, and there are few guys who are so much more talented that they can get away with not putting in the work. Jamie Collins is a good example of a guy with freakish athletic ability who IS putting in the work and fitting into the bigger picture; Dominique Easley also seems to be headed in that direction. Freakish athletic ability is great, but only a tiny part of the overall picture in terms of succeeding in the NFL.

This is probably even more true for the Pats, where consistency and "doing your job" are valued over splash plays, teamwork over individual metrics, and where the system is exceptionally complex. Brandon LaFell recently spoke of how hard it was to pick up the Pats' system:

The amount of work you’ve got to put in to learn this offense is ridiculous,” LaFell said. “To come out there and produce and get on the same page as Tom and the other guys, it took me the whole offseason, part of camp and pretty much the first two or three games. It’s gratifying, but it’s tough to do.”

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/...4/12/patriots_notebook_lafell_s_work_pays_off

BB frequently makes allusions to guys "putting in the work" during the season, and showing what they can do day after day in practice. The guys who have succeeded here have generally done that, whether high picks like Revis, Gronk, McCourty, Mayo and Wilfork or late round/UDFA guys like Edelman, Ninkovich, Arrington, Woodhead and Wright.

Again, this is not to devalue athletic ability, which is great. But I think that when we look at draft prospects and potential FAs, its important to look for guys with the mental makeup and work ethic to succeed here, not just tantalizing physical skill sets. No one was particularly surprised that Albert Haynesworth and Chad Ochocinco/Johnson didn't succeed here, despite having plenty of physical tools. Neither did Chad Jackson or Brandon Meriweather. I think it's fairly predictable that Colt Lyerla and Mike Wallace wouldn't have been good fits, despite their athletic ability and raw skill sets. Players who seem to rely on athleticism at the college level should raise red flags, as well as guys who seem focused on individual accomplishments and immature, selfish or one-dimensional players. When it comes to paying 2nd contract money, even more caution should probably be exercised, as spending signficant cap space on a guy who turns out to be a bad fit can be a major setback (see: Adalius Thomas).

It's much harder to evaluate players properly in terms of those kind of attributes. We don't have access to interviews or background checks. It's much more difficult to find guys like Edelman or Antonio Brown with exceptional heart and determination than to write off players with red flags. I'm not sure how to screen for this with our limited resources, but its something I thought worth discussing.
 
This season we've seen 2 guys with "freakish" athletic ability who were 1st round draft picks get benched - RGIII and Cordarelle Patterson. Both guys seem to have had the common issue of relying too much on their athletic ability and have had issues in terms of consistency, preparation, effort and schematic fit. Meanwhile guys like Antonio Brown (6th round pick, 2010) are tearing up the league.

Patterson screamed Percy Harvin 2.0 to me - Guy without a position really. "OW" is fine position in college, but it end there. Same can be sayed about "running" QBs. I dont think atlehtic QBs ( Rg3, Cam, Colin, Wilson etc etc ) succes long term in NFL. A year or two with film is all it takes to see there weakness. "Playing Seahawks": Fine stack the box - Not only do you ( Hopefully ) slow down Beastmode, but also Wilson - Then Wilson have to beat you with hes arm, that happens every .. 5-10 times??

We don't have access to interviews or background checks. It's much more difficult to find guys like Edelman or Antonio Brown with exceptional heart and determination than to write off players with red flags. I'm not sure how to screen for this with our limited resources, but its something I thought worth discussing.

Even too i agree this is hard to see, Backgrounds, Leadership, IQ can be used as guidence. And this is the reason the missing pick of John Urschel last year, makes it so stupid... Of all the "boxes" BB useing for positions, where some are really strange for me atleast, he must have aced them.
That sayed, lets hope BB learns from hes mistakes and stays away from DBs and WRs and focus on the areas where he usually draft strong.
 
Patterson screamed Percy Harvin 2.0 to me - Guy without a position really. "OW" is fine position in college, but it end there.

I'm a big fan of versatile offensive weapons, but there has to be an underlying structure and discipline.

Even too i agree this is hard to see, Backgrounds, Leadership, IQ can be used as guidence. And this is the reason the missing pick of John Urschel last year, makes it so stupid... Of all the "boxes" BB useing for positions, where some are really strange for me atleast, he must have aced them.
That sayed, lets hope BB learns from hes mistakes and stays away from DBs and WRs and focus on the areas where he usually draft strong.

I wanted Urschel badly. He had all the intangibles, and he ended up having pretty darn good athleticism, too (29" VJ, 7.55 3C). I absolutely hate that he is a Raven.
 
I wanted Urschel badly. He had all the intangibles, and he ended up having pretty darn good athleticism, too (29" VJ, 7.55 3C). I absolutely hate that he is a Raven.

I wonder if the Ravens took him away from us. If I remember correctly just a few picks later we took Halapio. Without the Sopoaga trade we might have picked him up right there in the fifth round. Another reminder that even a fifth rounder in a trade can be a high price to pay. There were a few nice players in the fifth that were available Aaron Lynch, Jordan Tripp, Urschel.. too bad.

Looking at our draft I also don't see where else we could have picked him up using one of our previous picks.
 
I wonder if the Ravens took him away from us. If I remember correctly just a few picks later we took Halapio. Without the Sopoaga trade we might have picked him up right there in the fifth round. Another reminder that even a fifth rounder in a trade can be a high price to pay. There were a few nice players in the fifth that were available Aaron Lynch, Jordan Tripp, Urschel.. too bad.

Looking at our draft I also don't see where else we could have picked him up using one of our previous picks.

The Sapoaga trade cost us going from 169 to 198. Jordan Tripp, Wesley Johnson and John Urschel all went between 169 and our next pick (from Jacksonville) at 179, where we took Halapio. Aaron Lynch went a bit earlier at 150. Ironically, Philadelphia traded our #169 to New Orleans for Darren Sproles, so they made out like a bandit on that one.

I would think that if the Pats had really wanted Urschel they could have traded back up using their #206 or #244 picks. Not a large cost that deep into the draft.
 
I would think that if the Pats had really wanted Urschel they could have traded back up using their #206 or #244 picks. Not a large cost that deep into the draft.

True. I am probably just a bit angry about the big drop-off between getting Urschel at #174 (?) and Halapio at #179. Especially, given the trouble the OL had early and the lack of depth we still have there.
 
True. I am probably just a bit angry about the big drop-off between getting Urschel at #174 (?) and Halapio at #179. Especially, given the trouble the OL had early and the lack of depth we still have there.
Drop of?? he shouldn't have lefted 4th round, we had a comp pick there, WHO I had he's name on since late november last year. Really have all the tools in World to be a very very good Center.
 
Drop of?? he shouldn't have lefted 4th round, we had a comp pick there, WHO I had he's name on since late november last year. Really have all the tools in World to be a very very good Center.

I guess I should have put drop-off under double quotes to make my sarcasm a bit more obvious.

I am fine with the Easley, Garappollo, Stork and Fleming. And White was a necessity to groom him as flexback in case Vereen leaves.

As Mayo said, I guess trading up would have been the only way to get him. But then again, I know how BB loves his shotgun approach to drafting. So there it is.
 
Drop of?? he shouldn't have lefted 4th round, we had a comp pick there, WHO I had he's name on since late november last year. Really have all the tools in World to be a very very good Center.

Usschel ended up my top center prospect. OTOH, we got 2 very good linemen in the 4th round, including a center at 105 who is a solid starter as a rookie, and a T/G with our comp pick who has contributed significantly. I'm not unhappy with either of those picks, just unhappy about missing out on Urschel. But you can't draft everyone.

What's more interesting to me is that it seems like the Pats preferred Halapio, who they reportedly loved and were surprised that he was still available at 179. That turned out to be a miscalculation.
 
What's more interesting to me is that it seems like the Pats preferred Halapio, who they reportedly loved and were surprised that he was still available at 179. That turned out to be a miscalculation.

Oh it was actually reported that they loved Halapio ? I must have totally missed that. I thought that after Urschel went 5 picks earlier they just went to the next player on the board.

Anyway, ignore my previous comment then.

What do you think was ultimately Halapios problem ? I mean there are many prospects that get time to develop. What was it that made the Pats move on from him so fast ?
 
Oh it was actually reported that they loved Halapio ? I must have totally missed that. I thought that after Urschel went 5 picks earlier they just went to the next player on the board.

Anyway, ignore my previous comment then.

What do you think was ultimately Halapios problem ? I mean there are many prospects that get time to develop. What was it that made the Pats move on from him so fast ?

Injury? What's interesting is that with all of the OL injuries throughout the league he hasn't even been added to anyone's practice squad (AFAIK)
 
Oh it was actually reported that they loved Halapio ? I must have totally missed that. I thought that after Urschel went 5 picks earlier they just went to the next player on the board.

Anyway, ignore my previous comment then.

What do you think was ultimately Halapios problem ? I mean there are many prospects that get time to develop. What was it that made the Pats move on from him so fast ?

Belichick said at his post-draft press conference that the Pats were surprised Halapio was available in the early 6th round. Since Usschel went all of 4 picks earlier and the Pats didn't move up for him, presumably they liked Halapio as much or more.

I think that the Pats loved Halapio's toughness and physicality, but overlooked that he was as stiff as a board and couldn't move, which is kind of essential for their linemen. Urschel, OTOH, had excellent movement skills and athleticism for a guy with his size, smarts and toughness.

I think this was one case where the prospect matched up well in terms of intangibles, but not athleticism.
 
Injury? What's interesting is that with all of the OL injuries throughout the league he hasn't even been added to anyone's practice squad (AFAIK)

I guess he would have gone to IR to develop for a year in the background if it really was an injury. Also he played in the FXFL for the Boston Brawlers so I doubt that is it. This had to be something that was deemed not fixable which makes the case so interesting. They spend resources into researching him but then cut him after TC.
 
I think that the Pats loved Halapio's toughness and physicality, but overlooked that he was as stiff as a board and couldn't move, which is kind of essential for their linemen

Just surprised that you can overlook something like that.
 
Usschel ended up my top center prospect. OTOH, we got 2 very good linemen in the 4th round, including a center at 105 who is a solid starter as a rookie, and a T/G with our comp pick who has contributed significantly. I'm not unhappy with either of those picks, just unhappy about missing out on Urschel. But you can't draft everyone.

Urschel didnt play Center in college and would need a Little time to swap from G to C. And that could be the main problem for Patriots, since they clearly needed a Center NOW. So with all the good stuff there was with Urschel, as crazy as it sounds, he may have been to raw for them? Regarding the 2 other OL then i agree those where good picks. Patriots did draft 3 OL last year, and by doing so, then you have to think they draft atleast 1 and probalby 2 more this year.
 
Details have yet to emerge, but the Saints benching Kenny Vaccaro may possibly be another example of a 1st round pick being benched for relying too much on his athletic talents. Vaccaro's problems include a breakdown of fundamentals in terms of missed tackles and coverages, and too much freelancing.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/p...-kenny-vaccaro-benching-needs-to-be-temporary

Vaccaro was lauded last season for all the things he could do and how versatile he was. This year, all the warts are coming out. It contrasts the way BB has developed Jamie Collins and Dominique Easley, taking a more deliberate and cautious approach and getting them to play within the structure of the defense.
 
For most players, athleticism is an incredibly important ingredient, but so is technique, instincts, desire and courage.

Got to look at all the ingredients as a whole.
 
Details have yet to emerge, but the Saints benching Kenny Vaccaro may possibly be another example of a 1st round pick being benched for relying too much on his athletic talents. Vaccaro's problems include a breakdown of fundamentals in terms of missed tackles and coverages, and too much freelancing.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/p...-kenny-vaccaro-benching-needs-to-be-temporary

Vaccaro was lauded last season for all the things he could do and how versatile he was. This year, all the warts are coming out. It contrasts the way BB has developed Jamie Collins and Dominique Easley, taking a more deliberate and cautious approach and getting them to play within the structure of the defense.


In fairness to Vaccaro, Rob Ryan doesn't seem like the type of coach that's gonna impose discipline on his players. That defense in NO was a train wreck.

I wouldn't mind one bit if we had Vaccaro here playing the Chung role....
 
In fairness to Vaccaro, Rob Ryan doesn't seem like the type of coach that's gonna impose discipline on his players. That defense in NO was a train wreck.

I wouldn't mind one bit if we had Vaccaro here playing the Chung role....

As I suggested in the Draft Blueprint thread, if Ryan gets fired and Vaccaro is on the outs, I'd offer TB's 4th or our late 3rd for him (essentially the same thing). With a likely 3rd round comp pick for Revis, we would still have 2 picks in the 95-102 range. Vaccaro has 2 years left on his rookie deal, and would probably be cheaper than a likely Chung extension. Revis-Browner-Arrington-McCourty-Vaccaro would be a terrific back end in a 4-2-1-4 "big nickel base" with Vaccaro playing a hybrid role. For situations where you want 2 deep free safeties, Logan Ryan could be used.

I don't know if the Saints would bite, but Vaccaro was a healthy scratch yesterday, and if Ryan is gone then all bets are off. Tampa Bay traded Mark Barron (#7 overall pick one year before Vaccaro) for a 4th and 6th.
 
For most players, athleticism is an incredibly important ingredient, but so is technique, instincts, desire and courage.

Got to look at all the ingredients as a whole.

Only a small fraction of college players make it to the NFL, much less succeed. In college, players can often succeed based on athletic ability. That frequently becomes much less of an advantage in the NFL. Technique, instincts, film study and hard work are generally required to succeed.

Justin Gilbert is a good case in point. A kid with all the athletic talent needed to succeed, a top 10 draft pick when all teams could see was the measurable and the ceiling, and a flop so far in his brief career. Passed up on the depth chart by a rookie 4th round pick and a rookie UDFA. Called out by his teammates for his immaturity. Benched for being late to a meeting a day after he pledged to "make things right" and correct his issues:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-gilbert-inactive-after-being-late-to-meeting

It can be very hard for guys who've relied upon raw athleticism to make the transition.
 


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