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I agree to that . But really, there was never a situation where it felt that the secondary had them figured out. Great redzone defense , yes but otherwise , they just made whatever passes they wanted.
They made great 2nd half adjustments (defensively), but they really couldn't get anything done offensively. That Nelson TD at the half was a killer though. Let's face it, the better team won, we were out gained by 168 yards. That being said, I don't think the Pats played their best, I think they can beat these guys. Hopefully it's a reverse 2007, barely beat the Giants in the regular season, only to barely lose to them in the SB. Hopefully similar results.
 
This loss is on Brady. He played poorly.

Vereen's strength is supposed to be his pass catching ability, but he's hearing footsteps and dropping a lot of passes.

The Pats went pass-happy against a team that's poor against the run. It didn't work... again.

The inconsistency of the calls is making the games less enjoyable.

Phillip Rivers will give us trouble next week.
 
He has been money all these years for us. He is the least of our problems.
I can completely agree, as I do!, with everything you say there and also still stand by my original comment.

We're on to San Diego
 
The defense acquitted themselves well, but were abysmal on third down.
Our defense was on the field for over 36 minutes and still held Rodgers, Nelson, Cobb and a bunch of other weapons to two TD's. There's nothing in that performance that's "abysmal."
 
Seattle has humiliated Rodgers the last 3 years with physical secondary play and blitzing/pass rushing.

Maybe it is a sound strategy, but BB's contain D vs mobile QBs could cost us a SB. We're most likely facing either Rodgers or Wilson in the SB. The contain defense let Geno Smith march up and down the field on us.

Saying the defense played good was like saying the defense played good in last year's AFCCG. Almost 500 yards of offense was given up.

I felt like a good amount of this loss, like the Miami game, was on the coaching. Why the heck is Logan Ryan playing CB3 in man for us? He got torched by a 2nd round rookie while Butler played pretty well vs Sanders in his only meaningful game this year.

BB had the horses in the secondary to play more aggressive. This contain D just really gets on my nerves. :D
 
This loss is on Brady. He played poorly.

Vereen's strength is supposed to be his pass catching ability, but he's hearing footsteps and dropping a lot of passes.

The Pats went pass-happy against a team that's poor against the run. It didn't work... again.

The inconsistency of the calls is making the games less enjoyable.

Phillip Rivers will give us trouble next week.

I don't think it was a case of Brady playing poorly (though he clearly didn't seem at his best) but of a game plan that was almost incomprehensibly bad, as you point out in the rest of your post.

How they only called 18 runs against the D that was ranked 30 of 32 against the run when they have two formidable weapons in Blount and Gray who should have been pounding the line all day is way beyond me. I just don't understand it. The result was that our D was on the field for over 36 minutes; the fact that they only gave up two TD's in that entire time is the story that everyone is overlooking, IMHO.

I don't fault Vereen. There was no mystery to what the Pats were doing, so of course he was hearing footsteps all day.
 
Man the last 7 weeks not being able to say 'see i told you so' must have been excruciating for you, Deus.


This is first time in that stretch that I have see him post in a post game thread, well except for the Jets game.
 
Hey we lost a close one to a great team on their turf. Thankfully if there was a game we could afford to lose, today was it. There's a chance we can afford one more, but I wouldn't test that. Gotta win the next four, and I'm confident we can do that.

Twenty six points doesn't tell the whole story, you're ignoring the fact that the Packers offense was on the field for over thirty six minutes today, with Brady on the bench that duration. Not completely excusing the offense for today but asking them to score twenty eight points when on the field for twenty three minutes is a tall order even if it's a leaky D they're going against. You need possessions for decent odds at success, and those opportunities were limited considerably. No turnovers either or big plays on ST's. You can't just look at total points and absolve those guys, defense definitely needs to be held responsible for that dispairty in TOP. Twenty six points is okay if you can force some turnovers and get your HOF QB more opportunites, but in the manner it was given up today, that's not good enough.

Still I agree we could have ran the ball more, wasn't happy with the overall play selection or failing to involve Gray more. Two big mistakes on the coach's end. Key breakdown in pass protection and poor pocket presense by Brady on the biggest offensive play. Like I said offense could have been better, but I still place more blame on D and not getting off the field most of the day.

As I mentioned earlier, not too concerned with this loss. I am concerned with the pass rush, one more game like this in January where we can't generate anything whatsoever and it's likely we come up short of the ultimate goal for the tenth straight time. Inability to generate turnovers or stops, keeping Brady on the sidelines and off rhythm, pretty much been a central theme in alot of playoff losses.
What do you think the outcome would have been had this game been played in FXB?
 
Another thing I could not understand was the substitution of our RBs. It was so random and seemed to keep our running game out of sync. Seemed like McD couldn't make up his mind.

3 running plays on the first series didn't produce 10 yards and we completely went shotgun or passing formation thereafter.

What I fear most in big games is our D playing not to lose (which we did last night, although we almost executed it perfectly), and McD going "Madden Football" and have our offense operate exclusively in a passing formation. Against good teams with great game planning, out coordinators seemed to go back to their tendencies.
 
I didn't think there was PI, but it was Gronk...Maybe I'm so used to him getting mugged it seemed normal.

The Packers defender definitely impeded Gronk and never looked back for the ball. Should have been called.
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I was so disappointed with that last minute TD before the half. Revis seemed to give up immediately after the catch, and got himself blocked out for good measure.That, combined with the 3-and-out (after the horrible "you can call it on every play" holding on 1st down) to start the 2nd half was such a low point. I was worried we were going to get blown out.

I found this game tough to watch because is just seemed like the referees were trying their best to give Green Bay the advantage. The most obvious thing was their spots. Almost every GB spot was generous, with the worst one being the spot they gave Rogers on the slide he made during their second drive that resulted in a field goal. Rogers was sliding at about the 24 yard line (video here: http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/0ap3000000436719/Collins-steps-on-Rodgers-hand) and the refs spotted the ball at the 22, giving them a 3rd and 1 instead of a 3rd and 3. This was most egregious one but there were quite a few others.
 
Anyone else happy that we're not getting, as one scribe put it, the Great Garoppolo Uprising of 2014, Part II? :)
 
The first quarter was the difference in the game. 13-0, 200 yards TO. The Pats look cautious and were caught a bit off guard.

NE took no chances on D. None. Only a few obvious blitzes all game. No one jumped routes. No spy, no rover for most of the game. Few stunts up front. It seems like no one tried to strip the ball all game. Bumps, rubs, but no serious jams at the line, especially . Very careful, pretty vanilla for the most part.

Odd game plan on O. I thought traps and six on the OL would work well against this team. Where was Tyms? If you are going to run fly patterns to stretch the D, run them with a guy who is 6' 3" with 4.4 speed. Little play action - the Mike and Sam were off the ball a lot and play action might have kept them honest. They were allowed to sit in the seams way too much.

Fun game to watch. I came away with an eerie feeling that this team can beat GB. I don't think we saw their best game but the Pack played about as well as they can play.
 
My 3 AM thoughts that I thankfully waited until morning to proofread:

The defense talked about third down issues after the game, but I think that more than third down, the issue was chunk plays. About half of the Packers' third down conversions came either already in FG range on a drive that only ended in a field goal anyway, or on a drive that didn't end in points. What killed the Pats, though, were the gains of 45, 33, and 45 on third down and 28, 32, 33 on first and second. Four of those six were against Ryan or Ninkovich, two guys I don't think we'll see 30 yards down the field again in the near future. Longest passing plays of the second half? 17 and a few 12s. The adjustments there worked, just too little too late.

I'm worried about Connolly. To start the year, he was "okay" at center when "okay" would have been a huge compliment to anybody else on the OL. As the guys around him have improved, Connolly has emerged as the weak link. Two weeks in a row, Connolly has struggled with less heralded opponents as his teammates generally hold the bigger names on the opposing DLs in check.

I am a bit confused as to why they kept putting Cannon on the field despite their inability to get a run game behind him going, while Develin was largely not part of the game plan. I wonder if a change in personnel would have given them a better chance of getting a run game going there.

In the end, the plays that people will remember are Revis and McCourty allowing a TD that they shouldn't have, Gronk not catching a pass that he should have, and Brady not avoiding the sack when he should have. It's definitely frustrating to see the best players fall short, but at the same time, I feel like that gives a bit of optimism. They're not relying on scrubs to win games. They're relying on some really good players that came a bit short.
 
Pats got away from the run and it hurt them.. In fact, the entire offensive game plan seemed pretty poor, honestly. Only using Gray on a couple of plays was stupid..

People are complaining about the Pats pass rush and clearly don't realize that the Pats were rushing 3 and 4 most of the game and STILL flushed Rodgers from the pocket on several occasions..

The Packers got away with a ton yesterday. I understand home field advantage, but they got favorable spot after favorable spot.

I don't understand how they were able to tackle Edelman by the lip of his helmet and not get penalized for it. But then, they also committed numerous hands to the face penalties and were never called. And that includes on their 2 long TD plays.. If those are called, there are no GB TDs.
Then there was the clear push off by Adams that extended one drive and the block in the back on the Pats kick-off in the 3rd quarter that wiped Slater out of the play..

The refs weren't the reason the Pats lost, but they were definitely a factor..
 
I don't understand how they were able to tackle Edelman by the lip of his helmet and not get penalized for it. But then, they also committed numerous hands to the face penalties and were never called. And that includes on their 2 long TD plays.. If those are called, there are no GB TDs.
Then there was the clear push off by Adams that extended one drive and the block in the back on the Pats kick-off in the 3rd quarter that wiped Slater out of the play..

The refs weren't the reason the Pats lost, but they were definitely a factor..

The block in the back pissed me off a lot. It was completely obvious and happening right next to the ball. For all the block in the back calls that we give up it is very frustrating to see refs miss the ones on our players.

The lack of consistency is really one of the biggest issues I have with the refs in the last few years.
 
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