The 2011 2nd Round

BillBelichickFan79 said:

If anything the original post in this thread proves why the Pats continually trading down and out of the 1st is a poor strategy. The lower you get in the draft, the worse the players, the more risk of busts or medical or off field issues. That's why these guys are available in the second round instead of the first round. Some of them work out. Some of them don't. It's just frustrating when you're positioned to get a potential game changer in the first round and the Pats decide to trade down and out for perceived "value" while passing up on premier talent.

How would a Dez Bryant or Demaryius Thomas look right now for this offense instead of a guy drafted to play CB who couldn't cut it and had to be moved to safety and is an average player?

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Marinlik said:

Dmac was average at Corner. But he is one of the best safeties in the league. McCourty is premier talent.

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mayoclinic said:

The 2011 2nd round class were all signed to 4 year deals under the new CBA, and will be due to become UFAs in 2015. With the trade of Akeem Ayers to the Pats yesterday, over 1/3 of that class has been let go by their original drafting team before playing out their initial 4 year deal:

33. Ras-I Dowling, DB. Patriots. Cut after 2 seasons.
38. Ryan Williams, RB. Arizona. Cut after 3 seasons.
39. Akeem Ayers, LB. Tennessee. Traded for peanuts after 3+ seasons.
44. Titus Young, RB. Detroit. Cut after 2+ seasons.
49. Ben Ijalana, OL. Indianapolis. Cut after 2 seasons.
52. Marvin Austin, DT. NY Giants. Cut after 2 seasons.
54. Jaquawn Jarrett, S. Philadelphia. Cut after 1 season.
57. Mikel Leshoure, RB. Detroit. Cut after 3 seasons.
59. Greg Little, WR. Cleveland. Cut after 3 seasons.
61. Jonas Mouton, LB. San Diego. Cut after 3 seasons.
62. Daniel Thomas, RB. Miami. Cut after 3 seasons (subsequently re-signed).

That doesn't include guys like Da'Quan Bowers who are still on their teams but have greatly under-exceeded expectations.

Over 25% of the 2010 2nd round (9/32) didn't last more than 3 years with their original team (Brian Price, Aurelius Benn, Torrell Troup, Sergio Kindle, Jimmy Clausen, Taylor Mays, Javier Arenas, Jermaine Cunningham, and Montario Hardesty. 2 more were relative busts and weren't resigned after their rookie deals expired (Vlad Ducasse and Charles Brown), and received only minimal deals from other teams.

Already 4 players from the 2012 2nd round are no longer with their original teams: Jonathan Martin, Stephen Hill, Jerel Worthy and LaMichael James.

Apparently the Pats aren't the only team to miss on 2nd round prospects.

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AzPatsFan said:

You do realize that the study on these pages over a decade of drafts, showed that only 50% of second rounders make it. All those who criticize BB as a GM, should realize just how bad some other organizations do in selecting talent.

After all he has found enough talent to have a winning record over 14 seasons, So he must be doing something right.

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mayoclinic said:

Did you bother to read the OP? I'm not the one taking shots at BB's 2nd round drafting.

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AzPatsFan said:

I never intimated that you were.

Sorry if I offended you, somehow. It was not intentional at all.

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mayoclinic said:

Who's to say the FO didn't try? There were rumors of the Pats trying to move up into the top 10 of the 2011 draft right up to the day of the draft (as is often the case; there were similar rumors in 2009). Probably just smoke, but if the Pats liked Watt it wouldn't have shocked me if they had some trade up conversations, and no one bit.

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mrbean said:

I wanted the Ras-I pick to be flipped for a 1st rounder in '12. I'm still convinced someone must have disconnected the Raider's phone. Also didn't like Ras-I due to the injuries, same reason I didn't like the Gronk and Easley picks. I understand making them from a value standpoint, but I find it a little risky.

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ctpatsfan77 said:

No one has been able/willing to trade the #33 pick since the draft moved to the current format in 2010. Its reputation as tasty trade bait does not match up to its actual history.

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mayoclinic said:

IIRC, the rumor was that SF offered 45+76 plus a 2012 3rd round pick, and that BB turned them down. No idea if it was true or not.

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ctpatsfan77 said:

There actually was an offer—they showed it on the all-access special after the draft—but it wasn't high enough for BB to take it (I believe he wanted a 2012 2nd out of the trade).

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