RG3 benched; Colt McCoy to start for Washington

bigballas said:

here's rg3 unable to find a open receiver from last weeks game:

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I saw that on my tablet last night, so I couldn't get a real clear look at it, but now that I have . . . yikes.

#4 looks like he's in the Edelman role (waiting at the sticks), and the nearest guy able to make a play is 10 yards away. Hell, they're even conceding the underneath to #3.

And he threw the f—ing ball away? What the f—ing f—?

FreeTedWilliams said:

the read option on a whole is going the way of the wildcat. Once the NFL said that The QB is considered a runner and not a QB in the read option, that was pretty much all she wrote.

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That pretty much sums it up, agreed. Nowadays, Cam Newton and Kaepernick are the only QBs who I'd feel even remotely comfortable running a real read option. And even Newton isn't immune to being banged up when used like that (see: ribs, ankle), while Kaepernick has had the reins pulled in so much that he's lost a lot of his effectiveness.

Russell Wilson is kinda the lone holdout in still being pretty effective, and that's a combination of him almost always running with the intent to pass, and only taking the run when there's a lot of open space and he can get down/out of bounds after a significant gain without absorbing a hit. Plus just being an overall strong downfield thrower.

Basically, it increasingly looks like the read option can only work to the extent that your QB can execute it without routinely taking hits, and so far most QBs haven't proven able to do that.

Patsfanin Philly said:

Only this wasn't a one time screwup. Considering the number of number one draft picks given to the Rams, this is a devastating admission that could hamper them for years....

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It's not the admission that's going to be doing the hampering.

Pats0204 said:

Not only that but look at what the final haul was and what those draft picks turned into for St. Louis.

Washington got - RG3

St Louis got - DT Michael Brockers, CB Janoris Jenkins, RB Isiah Pead, LB Alec Ogletree, WR Stedman Bailey, RB Zac Stacey, OT Greg Robinson and G Rokevious Watkins. 5 starters and a WR who is coming along nicely.

Ouch!

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The crazy thing is that they didn't exactly nail those picks, either.

mayoclinic said:

Chris Cooley analyzes RGIII's performance against SF:



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...cant-assess-the-rest-of-the-redskins-offense/

Lots of detailed breakdown follows. It's brutal.

And people think he would fit in as a backup QB on the Pats? Even aside from his other issues, it's staggering. Vince Young would be a better fit.

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That report was really harsh but also very honest. RGIII is done. I am amazed that Gruden had the balls to push to do the right thing.

RGIII Stats:
Year 1 stats in 15 games: 800+ yards rushing, 7 TDs. 20 Passing TDS

Year 2 stats in 13 games: 480+ yards rushing, 0 TDs, 16 passing TDs

Year 3 stats in 5 games: 100+ yards of rushing, 0 TDs, 2 passing TDs

I'd suggest the stats say his legs(running) complimented his passing effectiveness. When his running declined (due to injury? due to defenses figuring out how to defend his running? Other? All of the above?) his passing declined.
Also, look at Colin Kapernick's TD production this year versus the last 2, looking at rushing TDs and passing TD ratio.

In a shocking conclusion, a QB who generates a good portion of scoring with his legs will likely need to generate a good amount of scoring with his legs. Their legs are like having a sure handed TE -- it gets you out of all kinds of otherwise jams/failed drives. Now consider what happens when that option is removed or lessened? That's not a knock on either man, that is one fair reading of the stats.

Bottom line: if Defenses have caught up with a QB using his legs to generate scoring then it's up to the player to adjust offseason/practice work as well as the coaching/gameplanning adjustments to maintain scoring efficacy.

With that said, it's unlikely you can turn one into the other starting at the NFL level. RGIII is not likely to become a Brady or Manning passer. He has his own style of scoring efficacy that has been trained and perfected for many years. IMHO RGIII is either going to find a way to start scoring TDs with his legs again or his elevation to superstar status will continue to erode (and eventually fade completely away).

Brady6 said:

That's just being silly. He is a very talent player and most of his issues are mental, I do not think he is that bad. Look at his rookie year he was very good. He lost his way no doubt and has struggled but with coaching I think he is fixable.

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By all accounts, he does not put the necessary time in the film room to be a successful quarterback in this league. When you add in the fact that he's constantly injured, I would have to question if Belichick took some sort of hallucinogenic were the Pats to sign him.

Brady6 said:

He wasn't awful until Shanahan put him on the field on one leg and he ended up suffering a devastating knee injury. If we could get are hands on him and rebuild him behind Brady for a few years he would be the Young to Brady being Montana.

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+1

Shanahan should have been fired for ruining the franchise player right then.

Washington is the Jets of the NFC

RG3 sucks.

I'll rephrase what another poster said:

What if instead RGIII started out in San Fran, Seattle, or was an understudy in NE?

There is a reason Washington and Cleveland has so many flops.

There is an article today saying that he has been diagnosed with the "yips" by a former teammate.

rg3 stinks. garcon/jackson's talents are being wasted by this hack.

RG3 should have never went second in the draft, he had one flukey season at Baylor! For ten games in his rookie season, he proved others including me incorrect, but ever since he tore his ACL he's almost been Geno Smith bad! Is it possible that maybe RG3 was never a good Quarterback? Was he just a great athlete? It sure seems as if he was just another world class athlete, who found himself playing Quarterback. Good Quarterback's recover from injuries, and adapt to new systems. Great athletes break down after a freak injury..

RecoveringCowboy said:

I'll rephrase what another poster said:

What if instead RGIII started out in San Fran, Seattle, or was an understudy in NE?

There is a reason Washington and Cleveland has so many flops.

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What if Brady ended up with the Jets?

What if Peyton had came out in '97?

What would have happened if Marino was taken by New Englans or New York?

What if the Niners had taken Rodgers?

The what if game is silly we can only judge what we are seeing at the moment, and the fact he's failed with two coaches speaks volumes to me. He was sensational in his rookie season, but we have to remember he was playing in a hybrid spread offense, which showcased his tremendous athleticism. Ever since he's lost his freakish athletic abillities, he's been terrible. Everyone is quick to blame Shannhan, but they always seems to forget that Shannhan's offensive system/play calling abillity was the reason RG3 was able to succeed. I've come to the conclusion that RG3 was never a good Quarterback, however, he was a great athlete. To make matters worse he's a spoiled, arrogant brat. He never possessed the vital traits needed in a franchise Quarterback, and now that he's enduring adversity every football fan is beginning to realize this.

bet D Jackson is glad he picked the skins.....but he probably doesn't care about winning...who would if you are picking to go to a team run by a moron

Brady6 said:

He wasn't awful until Shanahan put him on the field on one leg and he ended up suffering a devastating knee injury. If we could get are hands on him and rebuild him behind Brady for a few years he would be the Young to Brady being Montana.

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I was with you until the last sentence. Was that sarcasm that I didn't get? I think Griffin will forever be the guy who used to be RGIII. And then there are reports that other players in the locker room hate him. ("Reports" from "sources" I'll always take with a grain of salt, but still.)

kennyb said:

There is an article today saying that he has been diagnosed with the "yips" by a former teammate.

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That would be Chris Cooley.

Even more amusingly, Cooley has taken to calling RG3 "Zoolander," because he can't make left turns.

[Seriously, though, apparently his mechanics completely break down the instant he turns left.]

Jetsfan25678 said:

What if Brady ended up with the Jets?, etc, etc?

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Yes, it matters where you go and glad you brought this up.

Belichick was called the worst Browns coach ever. Don't you think the Dawg Pound wish they had set him up like NE did? OK, BB was also wiser, but my point still stands.

I contend if they had Russel Wilson and Tony Romo swapped teams last year, Romo would have a ring in Seattle and Wilson would be known as Mr. Choke....one team has a good organization - another definitely does not.

RecoveringCowboy said:

Yes, it matters where you go and glad you brought this up.

Belichick was called the worst Browns coach ever. Don't you think the Dawg Pound wish they had set him up like NE did? OK, BB was also wiser, but my point still stands.

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Hell, if Art Modell hadn't pulled the rug out from under Belichick, he might have won a SB with them.