RG3 benched; Colt McCoy to start for Washington

PatsWickedPissah said:

Completely disagree. I was a fan of RG3 coming out of college & Wilson. Thought rg3 had potential NFL year one before Shanny destroyed his knees. Unfortunately rg3 has shown an inability to grasp pro offenses and even worse has continued attitude issues inhibiting his usefulness as a team leader. Most recently, I watched him play the Redskins. He was beyond awful. Worse than Geno Smith. Can't read Ds. Makes bad decision after bad decision and is inaccurate. Not an NFL QB in any system.

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The story is that Wilson was the "first to arrive, last to leave" from the moment he was drafted and the results show up on the field and you can see his progression as a QB. The rap on RG3 is that he is NOT putting in the time necessary to "slow the game down" and that also shows up....

Patsfanin Philly said:

The story is that Wilson was the "first to arrive, last to leave" from the moment he was drafted and the results show up on the field and you can see his progression as a QB. The rap on RG3 is that he is NOT putting in the time necessary to "slow the game down" and that also shows up....

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RGIII is a superb athlete (or was, before getting hurt) but not a good football player. He lacks the work ethic and study habits to become a good QB, and he is a "me-first" player. Personally, I wouldn't want him on my team.

To me the Redskins, since the Snyder era, are the biggest jokes and failures of the NFL. That's saying a lot considering the team that plays out in NJ.

When will Snyder get his head out of his ass and realize that his methods DO NOT work? It's just signing big washed up players to ludicrous contracts one after another, giving up a **** ton of picks for a player you bench after a few years. Giving McNabb a huge contract extension only to cut him at the end of the season? And who can forget the 100 mill given to Fat Albert? At least the Jets are comical, the Redskins front office failures are so bad they make me sick to my stomach.

Brady6 said:

He wasn't awful until Shanahan put him on the field on one leg and he ended up suffering a devastating knee injury. If we could get are hands on him and rebuild him behind Brady for a few years he would be the Young to Brady being Montana.

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I'd rather try Amendola at QB before RGIII.

You know it is so hard to figure this out, Is it all RG, I think it is not. The Washington organization overall is such a disaster it is hard for me to tell what the problems are there. It's almost as bad as the jets. I think Gruden could be one an done also. RG has talent, I think he could be a good passer but he can't be a read option guy, we have already seen he will get killed. I feel bad for him because his organization has screwed with him so much the poor guy probably has no clue what is going on at any given time,

In saying that I think he needs to be more dedicated to his trade, I understand he doesn't study enough and take his game as seriously as he should. Someone said TB will outlast RG, I agree I think the kid is about done.

Joey007 said:

To me the Redskins, since the Snyder era, are the biggest jokes and failures of the NFL. That's saying a lot considering the team that plays out in NJ.

When will Snyder get his head out of his ass and realize that his methods DO NOT work? It's just signing big washed up players to ludicrous contracts one after another, giving up a **** ton of picks for a player you bench after a few years. Giving McNabb a huge contract extension only to cut him at the end of the season? And who can forget the 100 mill given to Fat Albert? At least the Jets are comical, the Redskins front office failures are so bad they make me sick to my stomach.

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When will people learn that the owner of a franchise is perhaps one of the most important elements in its long-term on field success? People laugh when I say that, but it is true.

Meanwhile Shank Shaughnessy keeps writing columns claiming how Parcells, not Kraft saved the Patriots. How much success did Parcells have with the 3 franchises he went to after the Patriots? In the 18 years since Parcells, Kraft's teams have had ONE losing season - - Belichick's first year of a rebuild.

Kraft's teams:
With Parcells: 1 out of 3 losing seasons
After Parcells: 1 out of 18 losing seasons

And yet the Globe keeps pumping up Parcells and crapping on Kraft.

I wasn't RGIII's biggest fan prior to the draft, but I'm shocked that Tannehill ended up the better pro. That right there is proof it's all about how much work a QB puts in everyday to improve. Tannehill was less NFL ready than RGIII.

shmessy said:

When will people learn that the owner of a franchise is perhaps one of the most important elements in its long-term on field success? People laugh when I say that, but it is true.

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It all depends on the owner, actually. Some owners do not have much if any involvement with their teams decisions. But you have those like Snyder, "businessmen" who try to run the show and the teams player decisions. In this day of the NFL with free agency, it almost never works.

Clonamery said:

I'd rather try Amendola at QB before RGIII.

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That's just being silly. He is a very talent player and most of his issues are mental, I do not think he is that bad. Look at his rookie year he was very good. He lost his way no doubt and has struggled but with coaching I think he is fixable.

He is not a good QB. He WAS a great runner. His success in his first season can be partly (or even mostly) attributed to the fact that they were running a new gimmick offense that noone else in the NFL had seen or didn't have a defense for it. He rushed for over 800 yards and he had a stud running back that ran for another 1600 yards.


Kaepernick and Griffen both busted onto the scene and both have fallen a bit. Griffen does not have the tool-set to succeed in this league as a pure passer. He doesn't see the field well, he holds onto the ball too long, and he can't move to his left. Take away the novelty of the option, give teams an offseason to figure out how to defend it, and Griffen and Kaepernick are not the same dynamic players. College teams can run it successfully year-in and year in and year out because the talent and speed difference is so great between teams. Not so much in the NFL. Even if Griffen wasn't hurt, I don't think he would have matched his rookie year success because he just isn't a NFL-quality passer.
His immediate success is also similar to other run-first QB that has been heralded as the QB style of the future we have seen over the last 2 decades. Anyone remember "Slash." He was supposed to be the next generation QB. After his first season NFL teams figured out how to defend him too, he fizzled out.

NFL QBs need to possess the attributes of what succeeds at the NFL level against bigger, faster, and stronger opponents. And being able to run fast as your best attribute isn't a recipe for success as a NFL QB.....and that was Griffen's best attribute.

What a garbage QB with 1 lucky year. Another great pick by those skins!

No question that QB is the key position on the football field.....and if you get it right, it rea.lly is worth 5 guys. Unfortunately the key phrase her is "get it right". What I find so incomprehensible is how a kid can look so good his rookie year and so bad since.

At NFL.com one of the podcasts is with Billick and Marriuci. When they discussed RG3 they noted how many wide open receivers he misses. No, not receivers he throws to and misfires. Receivers he just doesn't see down field. They tried to speculat on why that may happen and they really couldn't come up with an answer.

Its pretty clear that he has to get out of DC and start again, otherw ise he's going to wind up like Tim Tebow and disappear. Gruden was supposed to be some kind of "QB whisperer", and he has been...... to Colt McCoy. He can still be a good QB, but he needs both time and coaching.

RG3 is a perfect example of how hard it is to play NFL QB....and it has little to do with how strong your arm is. It has much more to do with how well wired your brain is. The innate ability to rapidly process large amounts of information and come up with the right decisions 96% of the time is exceedingly rare. It not only takes innate skill, it takes a lot of time to learn.
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In today's NFL QB's are ruoutinesly thrown into the fire and most sink. The list is endless. Yet look at the current crop of great NFL QB's (Brady, Brees, Manning, RThisomo, Rodgers, Rothessberger etc), Only Manning and Rothlessberge started as rookies

Time is the enemy of young QB's these days. Even with the rare sucessess like Luck, we have seen how rocking that road of development really is in the microcosm of Luck's 3 games vs the Pats. We all tend to anonit them too early and tear them down too fast,

Garapalo may never play meaning ful snaps for the Pats, but whe he does get his chance, he will lkely be ready. In fact , for most it takes 2 or 3 years to begin to reach their potentials. No one in their right mind would want to trade in the current version of don ta Hightower for his rookie one. For that matter, no one would want to trade the current version of Jaime Collikns for the September version

I dont think Kaepernick is a good QB, great runner...but uncertain about being a great QB. Time will tell. I think RG is smarter than Kaepernick, but that doesn't always translate into a good NFL player.

obgod3 said:

You know it is so hard to figure this out.

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It's really not.

mayoclinic said:

It's really not.

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Well what we don't know is how the organization behind closed doors operates, we really don't know. We don't know what they say to him, how they treat him, we do know that the owner is in conflict with the coaching staff but what I meant by this, and my single sentence being taken out of context here, is that it is difficult to know for sure how much of RG's problems stem from internal issues. I certainly don't believe a word the media says since they continually get proven as liars. He is certainly responsible but I doubt it is all on him.

obgod3 said:

Well what we don't know is how the organization behind closed doors operates, we really don't know. We don't know what they say to him, how they treat him, we do know that the owner is in conflict with the coaching staff but what I meant by this, and my single sentence being taken out of context here, is that it is difficult to know for sure how much of RG's problems stem from internal issues. I certainly don't believe a word the media says since they continually get proven as liars. He is certainly responsible but I doubt it is all on him.

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We know that after almost 3 years he still can't make a read to save his life, and that he relies far too much on his athleticism. He's not a good QB, and he hasn't developed his game at all.

Brady6 said:

That's just being silly. He is a very talent player and most of his issues are mental, I do not think he is that bad. Look at his rookie year he was very good. He lost his way no doubt and has struggled but with coaching I think he is fixable.

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Are you even watching him
play? Are you aware that the issues he has now are the same he had coming out of college but that awesome rookie year was the result of Kyle Shanahan adapting an offense to his strengths? Then RG3 decided he wanted to be a pocket passer after he got killed in the read option and he can't do it. He never could. The stuff is all out there. Being in D.C. I hear about it every day. You are dreaming if you think this guy would ever sniff a Patriot uniform as a quarterback.

Brady6 said:

That's just being silly. He is a very talent player and most of his issues are mental, I do not think he is that bad. Look at his rookie year he was very good. He lost his way no doubt and has struggled but with coaching I think he is fixable.

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I think his issues are emotional, he's a diva. He talked a bunch about how 'his dad has always been his real coach' which shouldn't come as a shock seeing how he was completely fighting Shanahan, and he then went and threw his team mates under the bus with the 'great QBs needs their team to play great'. You can also see form his socks/sleeve/jewelery that he's obsessed with how he looks.

If he wants to actually improve he needs to get rid of the ego, get on the same page as his coach, and work his butt off at the things he's bad at.

mayoclinic said:

We know that after almost 3 years he still can't make a read to save his life, and that he relies far too much on his athleticism. He's not a good QB, and he hasn't developed his game at all.

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Chris Cooley analyzes RGIII's performance against SF:

“What we are going to do is we are going to give incomplete to the entire offense,” Cooley said. “Because I don’t know how to grade them….I can’t grade the pass game. Our quarterback does not allow a proper grading of the pass game, because there was something I’ve never seen go on on a football field before.

“There was a game plan initially installed, which was not run or operated in any way shape or form the way it should have been,” Cooley went on. “There was a quarterback not reading the field when he should have been, there was a quarterback scrambling when he [shouldn't have been]….You can’t grade anyone else around Robert because of the way Robert played.

“And I want this to be really clear as we move forward with this breakdown,” Cooley said. “I’m not making fun of Robert. I like Robert. I like him as a person. This is not a personal attack. I am not going to make fun of him. I think he handled the media afterward improperly; we’ve discussed that. And I think he played poorly. And because of that, I’m going to now walk you through the game.”

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...cant-assess-the-rest-of-the-redskins-offense/

Lots of detailed breakdown follows. It's brutal.

And people think he would fit in as a backup QB on the Pats? Even aside from his other issues, it's staggering. Vince Young would be a better fit.

The thing is I always thought things like pocket presence and field vision can't really be taught….at least not to the elite level. This guy is running around with his cool nickname and logo expecting to be a franchise QB. He is not.