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as good as BB the GM has been can you imagine tom brady with a young kid like Odell Beckham? the kid has a bright future, shame hes wasting it with eli manning.

Honestly, this catch rivals Odell Beckham's.

 
as good as BB the GM has been can you imagine tom brady with a young kid like Odell Beckham? the kid has a bright future, shame hes wasting it with eli manning.
But if he had Brady throwing to him, he likely would have to make circus catches..(*Gronk's one hander excepted..)
 
Oh and likely wouldN'T have to worry about being hung out to dry and get concussion-style lit up like Eli's brother does to his receivers......
 
One other thing about Belichick the GM. When are other GM's going to learn? Never, ever, ever trade a draft pick to him. It means your team is doomed for a pitiful season. We have 3 picks from other teams. TB - 2 picks and Tennessee. Both are 2-9. And will pick from 3-5 in the round they gave us. Meaning the Mankins pick is damn near a third. And, the other two trade backs are hardly trade backs. Only supplemental picks will separate them.
 
One other thing about Belichick the GM. When are other GM's going to learn? Never, ever, ever trade a draft pick to him. It means your team is doomed for a pitiful season. We have 3 picks from other teams. TB - 2 picks and Tennessee. Both are 2-9. And will pick from 3-5 in the round they gave us. Meaning the Mankins pick is damn near a third. And, the other two trade backs are hardly trade backs. Only supplemental picks will separate them.

The brilliance is that BB rarely asks for too much, which is why teams keep going back to that well.
 
One other thing about Belichick the GM. When are other GM's going to learn? Never, ever, ever trade a draft pick to him. It means your team is doomed for a pitiful season. We have 3 picks from other teams. TB - 2 picks and Tennessee. Both are 2-9. And will pick from 3-5 in the round they gave us. Meaning the Mankins pick is damn near a third. And, the other two trade backs are hardly trade backs. Only supplemental picks will separate them.

Yes, Bill is remarkably accurate when dealing for picks. Everyone thought SF was on the rise in 2007.... #8 overall. Carolina went from 8-8 to 2-14 just in time to give NE the first pick of the second in 2011. He isn't always right, but it is impressive nonetheless.
 
The brilliance is that BB rarely asks for too much, which is why teams keep going back to that well.
In racketeering and loan-sharking terms, they call that "Juicing".:cool:
 
Yes, Bill is remarkably accurate when dealing for picks. Everyone thought SF was on the rise in 2007.... #8 overall. Carolina went from 8-8 to 2-14 just in time to give NE the first pick of the second in 2011. He isn't always right, but it is impressive nonetheless.

I'm still bummed Oakland pulled a couple of games out of their keister in 2010 to finish 8-8. A couple of more losses and that JJ Watt dude could be rockin the Flyin Elvis.
 
Is www.pro-football-reference.com's Career Average rating at all an accurate assessment of a player's worth? It seems to be in the ballpark in terms of rating players' accomplishments, with the notable exception of not counting Special Teams contributions except for kickers, punters, and returners. Poor Matthew Slater rated a zero.

That said, I was fooling around with it in terms of trying to figure out how the Patriots stack up with other teams in terms of amassing talent via the draft by simply adding up the Career Averages of all players drafted in certain time spans when sorted by team. I was surprised to find out that by this admittedly rough scale, the Pats (as far as I could tell) had the highest cumulative Career Average if you totaled up all players drafted during the Belichick regime. I didn't sum up all teams, but compared the ones thought to draft well. The closest one I could find in comparison was Baltimore, which the Patriots barely edged out 1678-1672.

Furthermore, since the last draft by the Pats which you could call "bad" (2008), no team has had a better cumulative Career Average drafted than the Pats, 383 since 2009. I summed up the drafts of 9 teams who have had recent success (and the Jets, just for giggles). Closest I've found is Seattle with 374, and they're thought to be a young team bursting with talent everywhere while the Pats are thought to be just Tom Brady playing with nobodies, if you read other teams' message boards. Others in the 300+ club were Philadelphia (346), Denver (333), and Pittsburgh (325). IND, ARZ, SF, and BAL were in the 200s. The Giants were shockingly poor at 194, worse even than the Jets at 209. No wonder they suck so bad that Coughlin will get canned.

Anyway, I understand that this is a limited and flawed way to assess how well teams draft. The current year's contributions won't be counted until next year, and you get credit if the players you jettison plays elsewhere, like Ted Larsen and Darius Butler. But I think it's at least interesting to think about.

Another conjecture I haven't dug deep enough to confirm or disprove: I think the Pats are the only team to draft at least two solid contributors every year since 2009. (Vollmer and Edelman). 2010 was Gronk and McCourty. 2011 was The most iffy year for us in that regard is 2013, with Dobson on the shelf this year our best contributors are Logan Ryan and Jamie Collins. 2011 was Solder and Ridley (and Vereen, but his CarAve was only 9 which was not enough to count him as a productive player). 2012 was Chandler and Hightower. And this year is Stork and Easley. Can any other team say they drafted at least two players as productive as Logan Ryan or better since 2009?
 
Belichick the GM is unquestionably top 3 over his NE tenure (hard not to be when so few have even held their position that entire time) and is certainly a top 5 GM in the past 5 years.

It really is time for the whole, "Bill the coach is great! Bill the GM, well....." to come to an end. Doesn't mean he won't make mistakes or that we can't discuss them, but proper context is important.

The success rate for Firstr round picks is only 76%.
The success rate for Second round picks is 50%

BB's First picks for the last five years are all starters, now that Chung has been re-signed. Success rate 100%.

Even though two of his First picks, were really Second rounders.

I believe Belichick has a perfect record of 100% for every First pick going back to his arrival as HC.

I agree that the least successful of his FIrst picks were Maroney and Meriwether. But Maroney played for 3 years, and Meriwether is still in the league.
 
Can any other team say they drafted at least two players as productive as Logan Ryan or better since 2009?
In 2010 Denver drafted Demaryius Thomas and Eric Decker.
 
As a GM he should be judged by one thing and one thing only, production on the field. I think his record speaks for itself.
 
as good as BB the GM has been can you imagine tom brady with a young kid like Odell Beckham? the kid has a bright future, shame hes wasting it with eli manning.

I think he'd be wasting that talent here in NE. How many bend over backwards catches can you make when the ball comes right to you? Nah, he definitely needs Eli throwing to him to make use of his skills.

;)
 
In 2010 Denver drafted Demaryius Thomas and Eric Decker.
I meant every year since 2009. I think the Pats have gotten at least two real contributors every year for the past six drafts, which I don't think anyone else can say.

If you look at Denver's recent drafts, here's who you get:
2009 Knowshon Moreno, Robert Ayers (borderline)
2010 Demaryius Thomas, Eric Decker, Zane Beadles
2011 Von Miller, Orlando Franklin
2012 Almost no one of note. Derek Wolfe seems to be the highest rated at 12 CarAve.
2013 Montee Ball
2014 Bradley Roby maybe
 
The success rate for Firstr round picks is only 76%.
The success rate for Second round picks is 50%

BB's First picks for the last five years are all starters, now that Chung has been re-signed. Success rate 100%.

Even though two of his First picks, were really Second rounders.

Absolutely LOVE that fact that posters are taking up this talking point.

It is extremely difficult for even the absolute best in professional talent evaluators to know which college players will be able to make that transition into the NFL. 1 out of 4 players drafted in the First rounds end up being busts.

Even the first round which has the best success rates of any of the rounds, you still end up with a 1 in 4 chance of your player being a bust by the end of the round.

Percentages of the top of the First Round draft picks being a bust is very slim, but by the END of the first round those numbers have reached the 25% mark.

Which means the Patriots who Draft at an average draft position of 26 have been drafting with THE most severe handicap of ANY nfl team for the past 14 years.

And even though pundits are more and more giving the Patriots that nod in their commentaries about how they are always drafting so late in every round, it is my personal opinion that even they are underestimating the insidious and cumulatively detrimental affects of the Patriots having to draft so late in every round.

Add this up over 14 years and where I used to grade Belichick as above average as a drafter -the more I understand how hard it is to draft NFL starting players the more I lean towards him being as good a drafter as he is a coach.

* 2011 - 28th
* 2012 - 29th
* 2013 - 29th
* 2014 - 29th

* - I havent found a site that states where in the Draft a team was originally supposed to draft based on their records. But reading through trades this is where I have the Patriots drafting over the past 4 years.
 
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