Pats rip Dominic Raiola cut block

Mark Daniels ‏@MarkDanielsPJ 29m29 minutes ago
And I missed one! Raiola hit Moore in the face when the Patriots called a timeout at 1:25 at the whistle

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Jim (DC)


Tedy, what do you think about Dominic Raiola? I feel it was classless but since the Pats get no love outside of NE, it is not being exposed for what it is. If the Pats did it...watch out.

Tedy
(9:39 AM)


I said this in the Bruschi's Breakdown last week. This is an offensive line that looks to get their shots. That was a nice way of saying they will cheap shot you at times, so don't stand around the pile and have yourself ready at all times. I remember playing against Detroit in Gillette Stadium and Mike Vrabel had an INT, with Raiola hitting him on the sideline to give him a concussion. I'm sure the Patriots were aware of Raiola and his history. First of all, you're glad no one got hurt. But you know you absolutely beat someone up when they get frustrated like that, and they decide to be tough when the game is over. You want to fight now? You want to come strong now? The game is over and now you want to talk trash and have this energy? What happened when the game was going on? We used to call these guys "fake tough guys" in the locker room. I get emotional about this because people still get mad about "running up the score" -- this isn't Pop Warner, this isn't high school, this even college. This is professional football. The games are played once a week. Defensively, we always knew our job was stop the offense and if we couldn't get that done, it was our fault. If you can't stop a team and they're scoring 50 points on you, whose fault is that. That's all I have to say.

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DaBruinz said:

Yes, because 4.5 YPC is so bad against a team that had only been allowing 3.03 YPC..
A team that had allowed less than 70 rushing yards per game allowed 90.
A team that had previously only allowed 4 rushing TDs on the season, had that number increase by 50%.

No. The Pats didn't decide that Suh was "right" if you actually looked at the plays rationally.

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Disagree.

A "rational" look at the Pats play-by-play selection suggests that they didn't think they could run against this team; when you throw the ball more than twice the number of times you run it after a week when you ran more than you threw it...that's pretty much what the play selection says.

They averaged the 4.5 because Blount had one run for 23 yards; it came in the third quarter when the Lions were playing Pass. If you take that out, they averaged the 3.5 you cite. The other "long" runs were seven and nine yards. Most of the time they were picking up a couple of yards and lost yardage at least 10% of the time they ran.

Belichick took the strongest part of their game away from them.

And now it comes out that Raiola pulled this crap FOUR plays in a row.

https://twitter.com/MarkDanielsPJ/status/536942065960353792/photo/1

Mark Daniels‏@MarkDanielsPJ
Dominic Raiola on the final drive to Zach Moore: 2 shots to the back of the head, 1 to the face & a chop block




Who recommended that referee crew? Vince McMahon?



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wpdougie2180 said:

Mark Daniels ‏@MarkDanielsPJ 29m29 minutes ago
And I missed one! Raiola hit Moore in the face when the Patriots called a timeout at 1:25 at the whistle

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Good catch. What a punk. If I were Detroit's coaching staff, I would hold him accountable for crap like this.

Sunday, Nov. 23rd

• Lions at Patriots — Tony Corrente

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Tony, thy name is mud. You and your crew rank just behind Boger on the season.

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BradyManny said:

Good catch. What a punk. If I were Detroit's coaching staff, I would hold him accountable for crap like this.

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Jim Caldwell won't do anything to him.. The league is the one that will have to hold Raiola accountable.

shmessy said:

And now it comes out that Raiola pulled this crap FOUR plays in a row.

https://twitter.com/MarkDanielsPJ/status/536942065960353792/photo/1

Mark Daniels‏@MarkDanielsPJ
Dominic Raiola on the final drive to Zach Moore: 2 shots to the back of the head, 1 to the face & a chop block




Who recommended that referee crew? Vince McMahon?
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Come on now.. Even Vince McMahon wouldn't allow this bad of an officiating job in the WWE..

PatsFanSince74 said:

Disagree.

A "rational" look at the Pats play-by-play selection suggests that they didn't think they could run against this team; when you throw the ball more than twice the number of times you run it after a week when you ran more than you threw it...that's pretty much what the play selection says.

They averaged the 4.5 because Blount had one run for 23 yards; it came in the third quarter when the Lions were playing Pass. If you take that out, they averaged the 3.5 you cite. The other "long" runs were seven and nine yards. Most of the time they were picking up a couple of yards and lost yardage at least 10% of the time they ran.

Belichick took the strongest part of their game away from them.

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Everybody's average includes the long runs; cherry picking them out of the equation is like saying, "Well, you wouldn't have won the election without all that strong support from your base."

Of course they emphasized passing at the beginning of the game, and then moved more toward running at the end. But every game plan has some form of emphasis like that. All of the NFL stats for every team are the result of game plans and their execution.

Lions defensive tackle C.J. Mosley is the one that Raiola should be going after. If he doesn't spear long snapper Danny Aiken, the Patriots walk away with a field goal. Instead, the Patriots have the ball at the 1-1/2 yard line and run a simple dive play for the TD.

Mosley and Raiola should both be fined.

I hope that team misses the playoffs.

DaBruinz said:

Jim Caldwell won't do anything to him.. The league is the one that will have to hold Raiola accountable.

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I'm not convinced that Caldwell is still alive.

betterthanthealternative said:

Everybody's average includes the long runs; cherry picking them out of the equation is like saying, "Well, you wouldn't have won the election without all that strong support from your base."

Of course they emphasized passing at the beginning of the game, and then moved more toward running at the end. But every game plan has some form of emphasis like that. All of the NFL stats for every team are the result of game plans and their execution.

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When there are relatively few runs (20 out of 64 plays from scrimmage), it's fair to look at the one outlier that drives the average up.

We'll just have to disagree on the rest. It's my view that if you pass 2x as often as you run, your plan was to de-emphasize the run, especially when you ran more than you passed the week before against a weak run defense.

The only drive during which the Pats ran more often than they passed was on the drive right before the two minute warning in the fourth quarter: seven of their 20 runs for the entire game came during that drive.

In the entire rest of the game, they only ran the ball 13 times but passed it 43 times. There is just no way that it can be argued that the Pats were not staying away from the run game yesterday.

DaBruinz said:

The league is the one that will have to hold Raiola accountable.

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And my guess is they will. 4 straight plays of dirty attacks, with a public admission of ill intent -- that's pretty much the definition of thuggery.

shmessy said:

And now it comes out that Raiola pulled this crap FOUR plays in a row.

https://twitter.com/MarkDanielsPJ/status/536942065960353792/photo/1

Mark Daniels‏@MarkDanielsPJ
Dominic Raiola on the final drive to Zach Moore: 2 shots to the back of the head, 1 to the face & a chop block




Who recommended that referee crew? Vince McMahon?



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Disgusting. At least Suh is violent all game long. This guy got his butt kicked all game and then turned into a cheap shot artist when the game was long decided.

PatsFanSince74 said:

When there are relatively few runs (20 out of 64 plays from scrimmage), it's fair to look at the one outlier that drives the average up.

We'll just have to disagree on the rest. It's my view that if you pass 2x as often as you run, your plan was to de-emphasize the run, especially when you ran more than you passed the week before against a weak run defense.

The only drive during which the Pats ran more often than they passed was on the drive right before the two minute warning in the fourth quarter: seven of their 20 runs for the entire game came during that drive.

In the entire rest of the game, they only ran the ball 13 times but passed it 43 times. There is just no way that it can be argued that the Pats were not staying away from the run game yesterday.

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They went with what worked. in terms of cutting out the "one outlier" lets look at Each run.

Blount
run #1: 3 yards for a TD. thats going to hurt the average a bit, but he got every possible yard he could.
run #2: 2 yards, Suh is a monster.
run #3: 23 yards, I'm sure this was a mistake right, this is the outlier
run #4: 1 yard, The lions are batting 50% on blount so far
run #5: 33 yards, is this one the outlier? I feel like this one is probably the outlier
run #6: 1 yard, back to 50%
run #7: 7 yards, only 7 might as well be a tackle for a lost, am i right fellas?
run #8: -1 yards, first tackle for a loss on blount happens 4:10 til the end of the game
run #9: 2 yards killing clock at the end of the game
run#10: 2 yards, still killing clock
run #11: 4yards kill that clock with some blount force trauma
run #12: 1 yard, touchdoooooooooooooooown
78/12 = 6.5 ypc his big runs came exactly when we needed them. nothing hurts a defense's "drive" more then a long run on a vaunted run defense.

Vereen
run#1 -5 yards Suh is a monster
run#2 4 yards
run #3 4 yards
run #4 -3 yards monster Suh again
run #5 9 yards
run #6 no gain
run #7 3 yards
run #8 no gain
12/8 1.5 ypc. Vereen had one decent run sandwhiched between a whole lot of garbage, but he was a force in the passing game.

the lions had the number one rushing defense, and they lived up to that, it's no surprise the patriots passed more then ran. you don't play into your opponents strength... at least not unless you are the raiders, jets, or jags.

chasa said:

They went with what worked. in terms of cutting out the "one outlier" lets look at Each run.

Blount
run #1: 3 yards for a TD. thats going to hurt the average a bit, but he got every possible yard he could.
run #2: 2 yards, Suh is a monster.
run #3: 23 yards, I'm sure this was a mistake right, this is the outlier
run #4: 1 yard, The lions are batting 50% on blount so far
run #5: 33 yards, is this one the outlier? I feel like this one is probably the outlier
run #6: 1 yard, back to 50%
run #7: 7 yards, only 7 might as well be a tackle for a lost, am i right fellas?
run #8: -1 yards, first tackle for a loss on blount happens 4:10 til the end of the game
run #9: 2 yards killing clock at the end of the game
run#10: 2 yards, still killing clock
run #11: 4yards kill that clock with some blount force trauma
run #12: 1 yard, touchdoooooooooooooooown
78/12 = 6.5 ypc his big runs came exactly when we needed them. nothing hurts a defense's "drive" more then a long run on a vaunted run defense.

Vereen
run#1 -5 yards Suh is a monster
run#2 4 yards
run #3 4 yards
run #4 -3 yards monster Suh again
run #5 9 yards
run #6 no gain
run #7 3 yards
run #8 no gain
12/8 1.5 ypc. Vereen had one decent run sandwhiched between a whole lot of garbage, but he was a force in the passing game.

the lions had the number one rushing defense, and they lived up to that, it's no surprise the patriots passed more then ran. you don't play into your opponents strength... at least not unless you are the raiders, jets, or jags.

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Thanks. I completely agree. And, that was the whole point of my original post. I don't know how it got so twisted around in a couple of the replies.

The bottom line is that the Pats didn't bite when Suh dared them with his "you can't run against us."

Belichick knew he would have to de-emphasize the run to beat the Lions and that is exactly what he did. The week before they felt that the Indy run defense was vulnerable and they exploited it. His game plan for GB will no doubt be different than both of those plans.

RT @RapSheet: #Lions OL Dominic Raiola will not be fined for his antics against the #Patriots, source said.

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So a ticky tack RTP gets a fine, but a deliberate cheap shot doesn't?

JackBauer said:

So a ticky tack RTP gets a fine, but a deliberate cheap shot doesn't?

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Cannot take the NFL seriously.

condon84 said:

We are also missing our top passrusher. The main difference this year is that we have depth.

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With mayo's injury being essentially a repeat of last year's, the biggest differences are basically as follows... This year: ridley IR, Chandler ~6 games. Last year up to this point: Vereen short term IR (8 games), Wilfork IR, Kelly IR, Vollmer IR, Gronk 6 games (then IR'd week 14), Talib 3 games (plus a few more games standing on the sidelines wincing like a girl).

There are a few other tradeoffs of less impactful players or similar injuries (Slater missing 4 games last year to Ebner's injury this year or Dobson's 'foot injury' both years), but the difference to me is pretty substantial so far.

I'm not going to do a tally, but it appears the smaller injuries are affecting us less often this year as well. This would be where the "depth" that you refer to comes from. As to my original point, let's preserve that "depth" by not concussing our own 3rd/4th cbs.

not to be snide,but if half you guys ever saw Conrad Dobler play you'd be calling for a congressional investigation. The NFL has always had its' share of dirty players...part of the game.