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2. Late round picks almost always come from the bigger programs. They are very few small school high upside risk picks in the late rounds.

Manxman, are you saying that's the pattern of past Patriots drafts? Because I'm not seeing it. In the last half-dozen drafts, 5/20 (25%) of the players drafted in rounds 6 & 7 were from small conferences...

Zach Moore (Concordia)
Markell Carter (Central Arkansas)
Malcolm Williams (TCU, Mountain West at the time)
Jake Ingram (Hawaii)
Julian Edelman (Kent St.)

...compared to just 6/36 (17) of the players drafted in rounds 1-5.
 
I'm very close to adding Danielle Hunter to my list.
 
Not sure about Daielle Hunter, he's kind of light. Can he set the edge and how is he against the run?

Cameron ERVing may be an unnervingly good prospect for the pats. He can play tackle, he can apparently play center! And he could probably play guard.

Need a 2nd round pick most likely.
 
Fowler seems like the one guy who really stands out on the defensive side, as another Swiss army type player. Seems to have hightowers measurables, with Collins quickness in coverage.

I am also really intrigued to see if Kroft comes out this year after a disappointing year. He has all the physical tools, but seems to have been dinged up quite a bit this season. With the lack of TEs in the draft, he would go far higher than he should, given his production.
 
Not sure about Daielle Hunter, he's kind of light. Can he set the edge and how is he against the run?

Hunter is 6'6" 245# currently with 4% body fat. He reportedly runs a 4.6 and has a 38" vertical. He's fast enough to pursue and fluid enough to drop into coverage. He gets his arms up and clogs the passing lanes.

What surprising is how good he reportedly is against the run, and at setting the edge, given his frame. This has been highlighted by a number of people, and seems to be a consistent factor. Rob Rang noted:

Hunter's exciting combination of length, balance, awareness and agility helped him make plays against the run and pass. ... Hunter's length makes him susceptible to the run, though he does show surprising strength at the point of attack and is passionate in pursuit. Hunter's quickness allows him to dip under would-be blockers, beating them inside rather than relying on his length and strength to string run plays out wide, as tackles expect. He's aggressive and physical, showing a willingness to sacrifice his body uncommon for edge players with his body type.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...-danielle-hunter-tips-but-cant-topple-alabama

Rang also says of Hunter: "he is surprisingly strong at the point of attack and uses his length and lateral agility very well to harass quarterbacks -- rushing after them or batting down passes at the line of scrimmage."

Hunter tipped 3 passes against Alabama. In LSU's 41-3 victory over Kentucky (a game in which Hunter reportedly outplayed Bud Dupree) he knocked down 3 more passes at the line of scrimmage, and had a crucial 4th down run stop:

For four quarters, Hunter was a human hurricane at his right defensive end spot. He swatted passes at the line of scrimmage, knifed into the backfield to drop Wildcat ball carriers for losses and generally made life miserable for left tackle Darrian Miller.

He knocked down three passes at the line of scrimmage, single-handedly eliminating Kentucky slant patterns and screens. After awhile, the Wildcats simply stopped running plays to his side. Even then, the speedy Hunter would run down unsuspecting Wildcat ballcarriers from behind. And when he wasn't making the play himself, he was creating opportunities for teammates by disrupting UK's blocking schemes.

It all made for a long Louisiana Saturday night for Miller, who was left alone to try to block Hunter one-on-one.

Hunter's final stats: six tackles; two tackles for losses; three pass break-ups; and two quarterback hurries. And his numbers were even more impressive when you consider he rotated liberally throughout the game with backup end Tashawn Bower.

Hunter's biggest play, however, did not come as a pass rusher. It came in the unlikely role of run stuffer. With Kentucky trailing just 17-3 lead in the second quarter and facing a fourth-and-2 at the Tigers' 29-yard line, Hunter knifed into the Kentucky backfield and hammered JoJo Kemp for a 2-yard loss.

Hunter's hit literally was a game-changer. Kentucky never threatened again. In fact, the Wildcats mustered just one first down on their ensuing five possessions as LSU steadily, inexorably pulled away.

"I thought that was the turning the point," Kentucky head coach Mark Stoops said. "Things broke open from there."

http://www.nola.com/lsu/index.ssf/2014/10/danielle_hunter_emerging_as_do.html

Film on Hunter is currently sparse so I haven't seen enough to feel comfortable going "all in" yet, but the idea of a 6'6" guy with a great motor (and reportedly a great work ethic and attitude), good edge setting and run support skills, explosiveness off the edge, the ability to clog the passing lanes, and the fluidity to play in space has me extremely intrigued. If the film bears things out, Hunter could go to the top of my list.

Cameron ERVing may be an unnervingly good prospect for the pats. He can play tackle, he can apparently play center! And he could probably play guard.

Need a 2nd round pick most likely.

I've been high on Erving all year. His draft stock has plummeted due to some struggles with speed rushers, but I always felt he would be a better LG. His switch to center makes him a potential 5 position lineman.

TJ Clemmings (a converted DT, like Erving) has evolved into what I thought Erving would be, but Erving is still a very good prospect. I'd be thrilled to get him in the 2nd round.
 
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BTW, re Hunter's reported 38" vertical, does this look vaguely familiar:

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Manxman, are you saying that's the pattern of past Patriots drafts? Because I'm not seeing it. In the last half-dozen drafts, 5/20 (25%) of the players drafted in rounds 6 & 7 were from small conferences...

Zach Moore (Concordia)
Markell Carter (Central Arkansas)
Malcolm Williams (TCU, Mountain West at the time)
Jake Ingram (Hawaii)
Julian Edelman (Kent St.)

...compared to just 6/36 (17) of the players drafted in rounds 1-5.


There are always going to be exceptions, something I acknowledged in my initial post by calling it a "rough guide".

But taking rounds 6 and 7 as the guide and leaving off Baylor, TCU, Rutgers and obvious small schools:

Since 2000, of the 46 picks made in the sixth and seventh rounds, 34 came from the following schools:

Virginia - 2
Michigan - 2
Michigan State - 1
Florida - 2
Miami (Fl) - 1
Nebraska - 3
Georgia Tech - 2
Illinois - 2
Purdue - 1
Alabama - 1
Georgia - 2
Notre Dame - 3
California - 1
USC - 2
Oklahoma State - 2
Iowa - 1
Missouri - 1
Kentucky - 1
Vanderbilt - 1
NC State - 1
Northwestern - 1
Ohio State - 1

You can interpret those numbers as you wish but there's a 2/3 chance that picks made in those rounds are going to come from the bigger conferences.
 
You can interpret those numbers as you wish but there's a 2/3 chance that picks made in those rounds are going to come from the bigger conferences.

Absolutely, I just don't think that's specific to the end of the draft. If anything, I suspect the number is higher in the earlier rounds.
 
Absolutely, I just don't think that's specific to the end of the draft. If anything, I suspect the number is higher in the earlier rounds.

I'm not claiming anything revelatory here, it's just a pattern I saw. It makes sense if you think about it, the coaching is likely to be more NFL friendly at these big school, big conference levels which means later round picks are better prepared. At least, that's how it makes sense in my mind.
 
I dont think its the schools as much as the coachs. BB knows how Florida Gators defense players are coached, Offensiv players from Florida Seminoles, OL from Iowa etc etc. Then you have Ohio, Stanford, Alabama where he got direct lines and info. Atleast thats the way i beleave it Works :rolleyes:

Even too i could see a 6 round picked this year on a navy player :D
 
With Florida punting musgraves, bb is out one coaching insider.

Oddly bb has not drafted many Ohio state players and he is tight with that coach.
 
I think Meyer is persona non grata after he foisted hwsnbn on the pats.
 
Interesting thoughts on Meyers.

Had bb said anything publically about Meyers lately???
 
Have to wait a year or 2 before you see Meyers recruits. Those you see now are still from the old regime.
 
I think Meyer is persona non grata after he foisted hwsnbn on the pats.

I ass-ume that hwsnbn refers to The Prisoner; and let's not forget Jermaine We Could've Had Golden
Tate Cunningham.
 
I ass-ume that hwsnbn refers to The Prisoner; and let's not forget Jermaine We Could've Had Golden
Tate Cunningham.

Ouch! That hurts.

Where is old jermaine now a days?
 
I ass-ume that hwsnbn refers to The Prisoner; and let's not forget Jermaine We Could've Had Golden
Tate Cunningham.
yep, he who shall not be named! What a "friend" foisting that thug. "Just a little rough around the edges!" Tarred and feathered is what he should be.

I blame BB for Jermaine Cunningham.
 
BJ Finney, center, 3 time captain of K-State, walk on. That would be a BB candidate.

Only problem with Odhighizuwa is that he's on the short side. Shades of Jermaine Cunningham? Now that you mention him.

They could get Trey Flowers from Arkansas, same place they got Jake Baquette.

Maybe that's why BB likes 6'6" DEs, because they have long arms and won't get swallowed up? I thought Buchanan as well as Moore have a lot of potential...just need more playing time. Maybe DE isn't that much of a need. Plus Hightower could play it on certain downs if need be.

Za'Darius Smith DE Kentucky, requisite 6'6" 265, he would be a perfect late round pick. Hasn't played much football supposedly.

Jake Ryan, OLB Michigan, a little on the light side, but has intelligence that BB supposedly likes. "Football is important to him", he would meet that criteria. Maybe mid rounder.

Mike Hull, MLB PSU, small at 6'0" 230, but much like Jake Ryan. Probably a late rounder/UDFA.

Stephone Anthony, MLB, Clemson, kind of a poor man's or not so poor maybe Mayo, about the same size. Mid rounder.
 


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