The 2014 Edition : Jets continue to suck (what else is new)

Jetsfan25678 said:

The Jets board I post on is filled with Rex homers, Idzik homers, and other bufoons, I'm tired of debating with. I honestly don't care about the insults and jokes, but I'm having a civil football debate with another posters, and this fool keeps saying "who gives a damn". It's fine, I'll just him on ignore.

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You've made ridiculous claims that destroyed your credibility. Therefore, "who gives a damn" is a perfectly valid response.

It is what it is.

Jetsfan25678 said:

You do realize four of Pennington's eight picks came against the Ravens in a 2008 wild card? That was post shoulder injury Chad, I've stated numerous times, that I'm comparing prime chad to Matt Ryan.

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I realize that your claim of "for the most part, was sensational in the playoffs" is nonsense. And, if we're going to isolate games the way you just did, let's take away that first game against the Colts. There goes his 142.0 rating for the game, which is keeping his overall rating inflated, and there go three of Pennington's eight TDs.

Edit: Taking away that first game gives Pennington a QB rating of 68.65 for the rest of his playoff career, with just 5 TDs and 8 INTs.

Deus Irae said:

I realize that your claim of "for the most part, was sensational in the playoffs" is nonsense. And, if we're going to isolate games the way you just did, let's take away that first game against the Colts. There goes his 142.0 rating which is keeping his overall rating inflated, and there go three of Pennington's eight TDs.

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Once again this discussion has been about Chad PRE torn rotator cuff. Wow, you can't even keep up with the discussion. I don't care about his '08 wild card game, since he had already torn his rotator cuff. You know what else is ridiculous? The fact that you continue to use meaningless fantasy stats , such as QB rating, that have been proven to be flawed to the point where BSPN has tried to create a better stat to measure Quarterbacks . QB rating includes yards, interceptions, touch downs, and completions and incompletions. Yards can be padded on by means of shovel pases, TE screens, bubble screens, and WR screens. You don't compare Quarterback's by means of yards. WR's can continually bail out or hurt their Quarterback's; Flacco's 2012 run is an example of a WR (Boldin)baling out a Quarterback, thus inflating his passer rating in the process. tell me WHAT you thought of Pennington on the field. Don't give me meaningless fantasy stats. What did you think about his footwork? What did you think about his play under pressure?How good was he in your opinion before he tore his rotator cuff? Stats are meaningless if you didn't watch the games, or don't remember the games.

Jetsfan25678 said:

Once again this discussion has been about Chad PRE torn rotator cuff. Wow, you can't even keep up with the discussion. I don't care about his '08 wild card game, since he had already torn his rotator cuff. You know what else is ridiculous? The fact that you continue to use meaningless fantasy stats such, such as QB rating, that have been proven to be flawed to the point where BSPN has tried to create a better stat to measure Quarterbacks . QB rating includes yards, interceptions, touch downs, and completions and incompletions. Yards can be padded on by means of shovel pases, TE screens, bubble screens, and WR screens. You don't compare Quarterback's by means of yards. WR's can continually bail out or hurt their Quarterback's; Flacco's 2012 run is an example of a WR baoling out a Quarterback, thus inflating his passer rating in the process. tell me WHAT you thought of Pennington on the field. Don't give me meaningless fantasy stats. What did you think about his footwork? What did you think about his play under pressure?How good was he in your opinion before he tore his rotator cuff? Stats are meaningless if you didn't watch the games, or don't remember the games.

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Yes, the discussion is you trying to slant the argument. You made a claim about his playoffs. You were wrong. Furthermore, even if we look to pre-shoulder Chad, Chad's first shoulder injury was in the 2004 season, which means you only have 2 games to judge, and Pennington had one strong game and one crap game in the 2003 playoffs.

You've got nothing.

And, for the record, I've always been a Pennington fan and supporter.

Edit: Here's an example of me defending Pennington:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...-benching-pennington.71174/page-2#post-692095

Here's me talking AFCE QBs in 2007, including Pennington:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...re-for-benching-pennington.71174/#post-691855

Here's me during a discussion of the possibility of bringing Pennington into NE as a backup to Brady:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...s-pick-up-pennington.93108/page-3#post-953635

Discussing the Pennington Dolphins:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...ads/state-of-the-teams-miami-dolphins.250714/


You can look, and find, others.

Jetsfan25678 said:

Once again this discussion has been about Chad PRE torn rotator cuff.

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But ONLY if the purpose is to make fun of him, deride him, insult him, etc. Please read the thread title before posting in that thread. If you want to talk serious football about one of the Pats' opponents, there is another place on this website for that. THIS post is about trashing your team. If you want to trash your team, please feel free to leave some thoughts in this thread. Otherwise, have the decency to follow basic message board principle of posting thoughts in the thread that is meant for them.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/bob-glauber/players-want-rex-ryan-back-1.9639690

Is this good or bad news for the Patriots. Remember that Geno was not Rex's guy, but Tannehill's.

Jetsfan25678 said:

I'm having a debate with a poster, who wants to talk football. If you don't want to be apart of this discussion , ignore my posts, like you said you'd do a week ago.

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Hey, I like this Jets fan. He has some spunk. Too bad his team still sucks so much.

lurker1965 said:

http://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/bob-glauber/players-want-rex-ryan-back-1.9639690

Is this good or bad news for the Patriots. Remember that Geno was not Rex's guy, but Tannehill's.

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It's great news—for NE fans.

The only way the players will be able to keep Rex is with a late-season run of wins. If they do that, then:

- no Mariota, because they've fallen too far
- no competent new GM, because who wants the job if you can't replace the HC
- more Gee-No!
- more ground and pound in a pass-first league

And, most importantly,

- more Jets suckage!

Jetsfan25678 said:

It seems as if you cannot read, I SAID imo Bledsoe does not count as a franchise Quarterback. And the SB does not tell us whether a QB was good or not. Trent Dilfer played in a SB, moron. Was he great? No. And before you try to tupidly twist my words again, IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FoRM am I saying Dilfer was just as good as Bledsoe. Pennington was very good, but I'm not going to call him a franchise Quarterback. Why? Well, he only had three great seasons. Once again, I gave credit to Bledsoe for '02. But unlike you I watched him in '03 and '04 and he sucked. Stop using meaningless fantasy stats and watch the games.

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So getting to the super bowl doesn't count as being a good quarterback?? I just can't understand what you are trying to argue here. And yes, I agree with you that Drew Bledsoe's last two years were NOT good years for him but what on EARTH does that have to do with him not being a franchise quarterback for the Patriots for the MANY years before he was on the Bills? I don't see your reasoning or what you are even trying to argue anymore, a blind man could see that Bledsoe was a legit franchise quarterback, end of story. I am arguing with you on this no longer.

Jetsfan25678 said:

You do realize four of Pennington's eight picks came against the Ravens in a 2008 wild card? That was post shoulder injury Chad, I've stated numerous times, that I'm comparing prime chad to Matt Ryan.

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Prime chad couldn't hold matt ryan's jock.

Pennington = Franchise Quarterback.

Bledsoe = not a Franchise Quarterback.

Because jEsT lOgIc.

Jetsfan25678 said:

So your using yards to determine who the better QB was lol. You do realize before, that before 2011 only a handful of Quarterback's threw for 5k? You do realize Chad played in a less pass happy NFL right? If Ryan can carry a team, why did his team win win four games last season?He CANNOT carry a team. Only two, maybe three Quarterback's in the NFL can do that. I was agreeing with you until you made this bogus statement. Again, if you have time go watch some of those early '00s Jet games. Pennington took us to the divisonal round twice, and if it weren't for our crappy kicker, we would have played you guys in the AFC Championship game. You can twist the stats all you want, but all I know is that Matt Ryan has been medicore at best in the post season. But Pennington, for the most part, was sensational in the playoffs. Come up with a better arguement and maybe I'll agree with you.

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Not just yards, explosive plays, tough throws and basically a typical Pennington game was 25/33 220 yards and a td. Ryan would be more like 35/50 327 yards 3 tds and an int. Who is the better QB? I think you are assuming I am bashing Chad when I have said several times I admired him as a worthy opponent. He is just a different type of QB and one that IMO would never go deep in the playoffs. Get you to the playoffs? Sure and that is worthwhile for a lot of teams who don't have a Brady Rodgers or manning. Your definition of a franchise QB is a little off too. I would consider Chad a franchise QB because he would consistently win you 8-11 games same as a guy like Bledsoe. You woukd be hard pressed to find a bigger Bledsoe fan then me back in the 90's as he was one of the major reasons I am a pats fan. That said I can realisticly rate him a B+ QB because while he had all the physical tools you could dream off cannon arm, tough as nails, tall....he didn't have the work ethic to learn from mistakes and become elite. I am trying to imagine if the patriots didn't get Tom Brady and had eh QB's in the 14 years since Bledsoe we would probably romanticize his stats and abilities like you are doing with Chad. Man remember when we had a real QB....wasn't he the best. I know it will be happening in 5 years when Brady is gone. Brady would have made that throw, Brady wouldn't have thrown that pick, Brady would have won that game. Take Chad for what he was, an above average game manager he wouldn't lose you games.

My clearest memory of Pennington was from the Pats' 2007 season opener in Jersey: Chad got nailed on a blitz and was twisting in pain on the turf as thousands of pathetic Green Beans "fans" cheered. He then got up (nobody helped him) and hopped on one leg to the sideline, where he took his helmet off and threw it. A gutsy competitor who went unappreciated.

My clearest memory of Thud Suckslington as the Six Million Cents Man.....



Who knew Thudley would be the forerunner of the now famous "Sparano!@"

Jetsfan25678 said:

I'm having a debate with a poster, who wants to talk football. If you don't want to be apart of this discussion , ignore my posts, like you said you'd do a week ago.

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Why are you trying to discuss football in the Jets suck thread? Football talk, in a thread about the NY Jets, is, by definition, off topic.

What isn't off topic is Rex Ryan bloviating about how the 2-8 Jets are better "in a a zillion ways" than when they got blown out by the Bills at home four weeks ago. When will the man learn to just shut his mouth?

http://nypost.com/2014/11/20/rex-ryan-jets-better-in-a-zillion-ways-since-last-debacle-vs-bills/

I'll tell u..this was a "laugh out loud moment" when I read this:
http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/threads/269306-Study-shows-Patriots-fans-love-boy-bands

I heard that residents of Detroit are upset the Jets are making an unscheduled appearance in their city. They're worried about the negative cultural influence and have complained to NFL officials over insufficient lead time for remedial preparations. Parent and school associations also have urged the Lions not to distribute free game tickets to anybody under 21. This could get messy.