Perfect Prospect Fits for NE

manxman2601 said:

One interesting bit of news is that Florida Gator Leon Orr walked off the team yesterday, annoyed with his role as a backup. Bearing in mind that he's a Florida defensive lineman and he's 6-5 and 305lbs, he comes close to being a "perfect fit". The walking off the team thing is obviously an issue but aside from that, I'd pencil him in as a potential Patriot UDFA.

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I wouldn't mind him at all as a UDFA, that **** won't fly with BB though, Orr is versatile and skilled however, believe Urban recruited him as well

manxman2601 said:

Some quick thoughts about the Perfect draft pick that I still hold onto.

1. Early rounders, with some exceptions tend to be from ACC, SEC, Big-10. There have been notable picks from the PAC-12 though. If you look at our draft history, it really is noticeable how few players we draft from the Big-12 however. I think Ty Warren, Bethel Johnson, Josh Boyce and Ellis Hobbs are the only significant ones.


2. Late round picks almost always come from the bigger programs. They are very few small school high upside risk picks in the late rounds.

3. Not all picks are seniors but almost all are four year players at least. Not many true juniors or RS sophomores on the list.


That;s only a rough guide. It's interesting to note for example that three of the four players we've picked in rounds one and two these last two years played for Marshall, Eastern Illinois and Southern Miss.

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I love when people point **** like this out, this stuff is always crammed into my head

I love SEC and Big10 picks, to me they produce the most NFL talent

I also like big school guys in the late rounds, in '14 I was a huge fan of Jeremy Gallon (even though he didn't pan out), always a smart idea taking UDFAs and Late 3 guys from known programs

And finally with the last one, YES, for better or for worse, BB rarely takes juniors or RS sophomores, I'll never forget how shocked I was when he took Gronk and AH, obviously one didn't pan out but that's some BB philosophy come draft time

"Perfect fits" or "ideal fits":

Danny Shelton, DT - Washington #29 - a long term replacement for a 33 year old Vince Wilfork
Jeff Heuerman, TE - Ohio State #113 - swiss army knife tight end
Laken Tomlinson, OG - Duke #121 - offensive right guard at good value

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=119487
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=119738
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=113087

ATippett56 said:

"Perfect fits" or "ideal fits":

Danny Shelton, DT - Washington #29 - a long term replacement for a 33 year old Vince Wilfork
Jeff Heuerman, TE - Ohio State #113 - swiss army knife tight end
Laken Tomlinson, OG - Duke #121 - offensive right guard at good value

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=119487
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=119738
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=113087

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A slight trade up for a guy like Shelton makes sense this year. Or, whomever BB identifies. I'm guessing McKinney if he does well in his interviews with BB. But, if we make the conf. championship game. We will have 3 picks in about a 10-12 selection area in late 3 and early 4. Our own 3rd 93-96, Supple for Talib prob 97, and TB's 4th about 102-104. We have to use the supplemental pick. Makes sense to deal one of the others. We could deal both. The 3rd to move up in the first or second(For the right rb) and that early 4th for a 5th(Don't have one now(Casillas deal) and a 6th). Allow me.

1 D. Shelton - DT - Move up. Eventual replacement for VW with a year of training under his belt.

2. Duke Johnson or Mike Davis - RB - I'll say Duke Johnson because I think Davis will be gone.

3. traded for shelton

3. Supple - Laken Tomlinson - RG - Duke - Last year's draft may have been a hint that BB wants to get a little stouter along the interior.

4. from TB - Zach Hodges or Shaq Riddick - Pass-rushing help. Keep an eye out for Noah Spence if he declares. This is the area we drafted AHern.

4. I'd like to get a LB here who can help in coverage and on 3rd down. May not need if we keep Casillas. If not, my binky is Mike Hull - LB - PSU. Top ranked rushing defense in the country right now. Against Maryland, he had underneath coverage against S. Diggs on some routes when Diggs lined up in the slot. Ran stride for stride with him.

patsfaninpa said:

A slight trade up for a guy like Shelton makes sense this year. Or, whomever BB identifies. I'm guessing McKinney if he does well in his interviews with BB.

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I'm not 100% sold on Shelton, and while I love McKinney I'm not sure I'd trade up for an LB. But I agree that a slight trade up for "whomever BB identifies" may make sense this year. I'd probably do it if the right pass rusher was within reach, just as BB did with Chandler Jones in 2012. I'd also probably do it for Brandon Scherff.

mayoclinic said:

I'm not 100% sold on Shelton, and while I love McKinney I'm not sure I'd trade up for an LB. But I agree that a slight trade up for "whomever BB identifies" may make sense this year. I'd probably do it if the right pass rusher was within reach, just as BB did with Chandler Jones in 2012. I'd also probably do it for Brandon Scherff.

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Scherff is catching some heat for not playing as well the last few games. They got rolled by Minny and he gave up some pressures. Hope he struggles down the stretch and slips to 20ish so we can make our move

patsfaninpa said:

Scherff is catching some heat for not playing as well the last few games. They got rolled by Minny and he gave up some pressures. Hope he struggles down the stretch and slips to 20ish so we can make our move

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I've always assumed Scherff will slip a bit after the season ends. His arms are on the short side for a tackle, and he just doesn't have overwhelming athleticism. Bryan Bulaga and Riley Reiff were both considered top 10 picks at one time, and both fell to the early 20's. It's not a given, but it could happen.

JerseyShore99 said:

Cooper and Abdullah would fit this offense perfectly, perfect toys for TB if you seen them play
Thompson's athleticism, versatility, and speed would fit perfect in our D as well

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Stop wasting time, with players that are out of reach,even with trading their entire draft to move up.

I suppose you recommended the Pats draft Andrew Luck too. What a waste of time.

AzPatsFan said:

Stop wasting time, with players that are out of reach,even with trading their entire draft to move up.

I suppose you recommended the Pats draft Andrew Luck too. What a waste of time.

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How is Abdullah out of reach? And as for Cooper, I remember when Robert Woods was considered a top 10 pick. At this stage, almost nobody is out of reach except, probably, Mariota and Leonard Williams. These prospects have plenty of hoops to jump through yet before draft stock is determined. This time two years ago, CBS didn't even have Ziggy Ansah with a draftable grade. He went top 5.

AzPatsFan said:

Stop wasting time, with players that are out of reach,even with trading their entire draft to move up.

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Are you referring to my inclusion of Brandon Scherff (and also Shawn Oakman, though I haven't discussed him in this particular thread)?

Personally, at this point I think that identifying prospects is more important than worrying about where they will end up going in the draft. It's certainly worth noting which ones are likely to be out of reach, of course.

manxman2601 said:

Some names to add:

Ty Sambrailo - Not quite the athlete that Scherff and Clemmings are but similar.
Anthony Harris - Similar safety to McCourty that gets referred to as a "QB of the defense"
Tyler Kroft - Not sure the need is there but tall Rutgers TE comes close to ideal Patriot.

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Manx, that was a guy I was going to add to this list. Too quick for me.

AzPatsFan said:

Stop wasting time, with players that are out of reach,even with trading their entire draft to move up.

I suppose you recommended the Pats draft Andrew Luck too. What a waste of time.

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It's the November before the draft guydumbass of the hour right here, air thin in AZ?

manxman2601 said:

How is Abdullah out of reach? And as for Cooper, I remember when Robert Woods was considered a top 10 pick. At this stage, almost nobody is out of reach except, probably, Mariota and Leonard Williams. These prospects have plenty of hoops to jump through yet before draft stock is determined. This time two years ago, CBS didn't even have Ziggy Ansah with a draftable grade. He went top 5.

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Great point, Marqise Lee was a lock for top 10 too, now look at him, happens a lot

patsfaninpa said:

2. Duke Johnson or Mike Davis - RB - I'll say Duke Johnson because I think Davis will be gone.

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On a team with a running back by committee approach, I don't like the idea of drafting a running back in the second round, especially what is perceived to be a deep running back class.

ATippett56 said:

On a team with a running back by committee approach, I absolutely hate the idea of drafting a running back in the second round, especially what is perceived to be a deep running back class.

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Fixed it, just a little, for you.

We may hate it. But, BB used a first in 06 on Maroney. And, used a second and an early 3rd on rb in 2011. If you don't pick one at 64(I hope), long way to go until 96. Heck, I'd have tried to move up a little to get Carlos Hyde last year.

JerseyShore99 said:

Amari Cooper, WR, 'Bama- The top WR in '15 without a doubt, best WR prospect in years, but his skill on screens and deep passes seem perfect in BB's system, Brady-Cooper connection may never happen but it's fun to think about
Shaq Thompson, OLB, Washington- A borderline first round OLB, has speed to play SS and skill set to play DE, reminds me of a more polished and talented Jamie Collins (who has Pro Bowl potential himself), former BoSox draft pick, played in Minors and retired shortly after
Ameer Abdullah, RB, Nebraska- An early Day 2 pick, Heisman candidate, his versatility attracts BB, speedy tailback with great hands to catch out of the backfield, can be an elite pass catching RB in the NFL (Sproles, Woodhead)

Unrelated NFL Comparisons:
Kevin White, WR, WVU- Larry Fitzgerald (would love him in NE but won't happen)
Jameis Winston, QB, FSU- a stronger, more talented Kap, immaturity weighs him down

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I remember Shaq Thompson from his short milb career. He was incredibly bad, never had a hit

AzPatsFan said:

Stop wasting time, with players that're out of reach,even with trading the entire draft to move up.

I suppose you recommended the Pats draft Andrew Luck too.

What a waste of time.

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Perhaps you should add a Splash of Schnapps to that Hemlock, my good man.

You might not come across as so relentlessly angry.

...Perhaps a bit more than a Splash.

patsfaninpa said:

We may hate it. But, BB used a first in 06 on Maroney. And, used a second and an early 3rd on rb in 2011. If you don't pick one at 64(I hope), long way to go until 96. Heck, I'd have tried to move up a little to get Carlos Hyde last year.

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Not enough running backs for you?

Blount, LeGarrette
Gaffney, Tyler (Injured Reserve)
White, James

Bolden, Brandon - RFA
Devlin, James - ERFA
Gray, Jonas - ERFA
Ridley, Stevan - UFA
Vereen, Shane - UFA

http://www.patriots.com/team/roster.html

I would not be surprised if the New England Patriots re-sign Shane Vereen, especially since a reduction in salary is definitely warranted for Danny Amendola.

ATippett56 said:

Not enough running backs for you?

Blount, LeGarrette
Gaffney, Tyler (Injured Reserve)
White, James

Bolden, Brandon - RFA
Devlin, James - ERFA
Gray, Jonas - ERFA
Ridley, Stevan - UFA
Vereen, Shane - UFA

http://www.patriots.com/team/roster.html

I would not be surprised if the New England Patriots re-sign Shane Vereen, especially since a reduction in salary is definitely warranted for Danny Amendola.

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I did type that before we signed Blount for next year and un-leashed Jim Brown on the NFL

If we keep Vereen, doubt we pick a rb until late. Depending on his physical, my idea is Keith Marshall - RB - Georgia. Maybe, with the early 6th rounder we picked up in trade where we swapped picks. If we don't re-sign Vereen, wouldn't shock be if we took a rb in the 2-4th rounds.