Ian Rapoport: Manning to play next year to get regular season wins and yards record

Sparetire · Nov 21, 2014

That made me laugh like hell. dont know why...

AzorianPats · Nov 21, 2014

I was lurking around the Broncos message board sometime beginning of this week, and this rumor was going around the Rocky mountains already. I think Rapaport just the first to announce the rumor nationally.

I'm not surprised by this at all, if its true. Im starting to believe PM really on the decline, esp after watching the Broncos the last 3 weeks. I think its really gonna show if JT and Sanders really misses some time.

DarrylS · Nov 21, 2014

I want Peyton to be on my fantasy football team..
I want Brady to quarterback the New England Patriots...

When Football history is written who will attain the better accolades?? My guess would be Peyton and he will be labelled the greatest QB of all time, the 4 letter network will perpetuate this myth.

Nikolai · Nov 21, 2014

DarrylS said:
I want Peyton to be on my fantasy football team..
I want Brady to quarterback the New England Patriots...

When Football history is written who will attain the better accolades?? My guess would be Peyton and he will be labelled the greatest QB of all time, the 4 letter network will perpetuate this myth.

Not Peyton at all. I'd say, in ten years, he will be somewhere higher than Brett Favre but not mentioned in the same breath as Brady, Montana, Unitas, and Graham. When you talk about the greats of each generation, those are the guys. If Brady wins even one more ring, it'll be a slam dunk.

Peyton is Marino with a ring. Yeah, he's got a ring, but his playoff performance over his career is pretty abysmal. He's a stats guy (a cumulative stats guy at that) and those guys never get the love over the course of history that the champions get.

DarrylS · Nov 21, 2014

Nikolai said:
Not Peyton at all. I'd say, in ten years, he will be somewhere higher than Brett Favre but not mentioned in the same breath as Brady, Montana, Unitas, and Graham. When you talk about the greats of each generation, those are the guys. If Brady wins even one more ring, it'll be a slam dunk.

Peyton is Marino with a ring. Yeah, he's got a ring, but his playoff performance over his career is pretty abysmal. He's a stats guy (a cumulative stats guy at that) and those guys never get the love over the course of history that the champions get.

You also have to account for his pedigree and three names of Manning help with the fantasy... we will see.

Maybe you are right though when you do a quick google search of Manning you get 32,300,000 hits and when you google Brady you get 98,000,000 not that that means all that much... but those are a lot of references to a name.

Nikolai · Nov 21, 2014

DarrylS said:
You also have to account for his pedigree and three names of Manning help with the fantasy... we will see.

Maybe you are right though when you do a quick google search of Manning you get 32,300,000 hits and when you google Brady you get 98,000,000 not that that means all that much... but those are a lot of references to a name.

Well, he just came off his most statistically significant season, but after the Super Bowl, no one was calling him the GOAT. If ever there was a time for someone to beat the GOAT drum, now would be the time, but it's not happening. Brady finds ways to outshine Manning, including the playoffs and head-to-head meetings, and that's now. History always looks more kindly on winners than stat guys; think Fouts vs. Bradshaw.

shmessy · Nov 21, 2014

Anyone remember Dan Fouts?

1960Pats · Nov 21, 2014

bigballas said:
why do we talk about this manning guy on here any differently than other good QB's? Surely he is not on the same level as our QB, TB12. It's almost unjust to Brady's accomplishment to compare him to Manning because Brady frankly has accomplished more where it counts, win and win the big ones.

Manning is a great QB that is breaking records because of situation and longetivity. Other QB's that have played long had records before him as well. Just volume. Manning has had variables in his favor, teams built around him (Indy), played in domes, and convince his organization to give him reign on a pass first offense which is great in a controlled dome. Then he inherited a team in DEN that had the pieces except a QB and they too were willing to give him control to achieve.

What Brady has done is more with less, and more effectively.

IMO, if my job is to win, and I do it better than anyone else, it would be disrespectful to me for my boss ( in this case fans) to go compare me to they guy that has been on the job longer and hasn't done as well as me but is flashy about it.

Brady not in same conversation as Manning.

Beside the things you listed above, Manning also had the NFL realign him into a more Peyton friendly all expansion 4 team division. The skids couldn't have been greased any more for him than they were. As it turned out, it ended up blowing up in his forehead when he made the playoffs so often but kept going one and out. He and Archie probably never saw Brady coming either. I almost feel bad for them. Okay, that last line isn't true.

1960Pats · Nov 21, 2014

shmessy said:
Anyone remember Dan Fouts?

Air Coryell? Who could forget.

Fouts was much better at throwing a football than announcing a football game. But then, he'd have to be.

He was also involved in the last bet that I ever made. That game probably saved me a small fortune over my lifetime.

Haley · Nov 21, 2014

I think Peyton is going to need to find a new stacked team soon since the rookie contracts of his wide receivers are going to end at some point leaving him to fend for himself. The Raiders look ripe for the picking. Or maybe the Cards or the Rams can fire their QBs for him if he asks nice and gives them lots of pizza.

Those rookie WRs have only one more year iirc. I think that's the end of the line.

Uncle Rico · Nov 21, 2014

1960Pats said:
Beside the things you listed above, Manning also had the NFL realign him into a more Peyton friendly all expansion 4 team division. The skids couldn't have been greased any more for him than they were. As it turned out, it ended up blowing up in his forehead when he made the playoffs so often but kept going one and out. He and Archie probably never saw Brady coming either. I almost feel bad for them. Okay, that last line isn't true.

Funny, too, that I can't find any maps showing Indianapolis in the "south."

wizwor · Nov 21, 2014

ausbacker said:
"He'll want to hold all the records..." except the meaningful one it would appear.

That is the difference between Tom Brady and Peyton Manning: one wants the records, the other wants the rings.

This whole thread is garbage. I do not believe you will find one single player in the NFL that would not take a superbowl ring over 'all the records' -- and Manning has one of those. There is nothing wrong with challenging one's self to be the best whether you are competing for a championship or already eliminated. While he will not talk about it, Brady will break as many of Manning's records as he can -- that's what competitive people do.

Manning is playing one more year because he wants to play football and believes he can be competitive -- competitive on the field and in the record books. People should simply appreciate this person who has played a challenging game at the highest level for a very long time. It's very impressive.

PatriotsReign · Nov 21, 2014

ctpatsfan77 said:
Sadly, no such rule exists now in the NFL. . . . Although maybe Brady could adopt Garoppolo.

Sadly, Belichick won't be around if that happens...

SHOWTIME15 · Nov 21, 2014

Brady_to_Moss said:
what a turd...lost all respect for him now. What a complete and utter loser

Except, how is this news? We all knew that manning wants all the stats.

ausbacker · Nov 21, 2014

wizwor said:
This whole thread is garbage. I do not believe you will find one single player in the NFL that would not take a superbowl ring over 'all the records' -- and Manning has one of those. There is nothing wrong with challenging one's self to be the best whether you are competing for a championship or already eliminated. While he will not talk about it, Brady will break as many of Manning's records as he can -- that's what competitive people do.

Manning is playing one more year because he wants to play football and believes he can be competitive -- competitive on the field and in the record books. People should simply appreciate this person who has played a challenging game at the highest level for a very long time. It's very impressive.

Manning should be celebrated as one of the NFL's all time greats. Manning should not be celebrated as the Greatest of All Time because his post-season record demands so.

Rob0729 · Nov 21, 2014

AzorianPats said:
I was lurking around the Broncos message board sometime beginning of this week, and this rumor was going around the Rocky mountains already. I think Rapaport just the first to announce the rumor nationally.

I'm not surprised by this at all, if its true. Im starting to believe PM really on the decline, esp after watching the Broncos the last 3 weeks. I think its really gonna show if JT and Sanders really misses some time.

Yeah, people are making excuses for Manning last week, but he had an entire half with Sanders before he was injured and the Broncos couldn't score. He seems to have starting to throw mostly short passes and his deeper balls were really bad floaters in the dome. I wonder at his age his arm is going dead on him as the season goes on. That happens to a lot of older QBs especially on a team that throws so much.

Haley · Nov 21, 2014

wizwor said:
This whole thread is garbage. I do not believe you will find one single player in the NFL that would not take a superbowl ring over 'all the records' -- and Manning has one of those. There is nothing wrong with challenging one's self to be the best whether you are competing for a championship or already eliminated. While he will not talk about it, Brady will break as many of Manning's records as he can -- that's what competitive people do.

Manning is playing one more year because he wants to play football and believes he can be competitive -- competitive on the field and in the record books. People should simply appreciate this person who has played a challenging game at the highest level for a very long time. It's very impressive.

Are cummulative stat records impressive to anyone? I understand if you went after a record that wasn't cummulative in nature but most touchdown passes doesn't mean much compared with something like best TD to INT ratio or best W/L record. Cummulative can just mean you've played a ton of years without much injury and had good teammates consistently. Nothing about that screams great to me.

PatsWickedPissah · Nov 21, 2014

Haley said:
Are cummulative stat records impressive to anyone? I understand if you went after a record that wasn't cummulative in nature but most touchdown passes doesn't mean much compared with something like best TD to INT ratio or best W/L record. Cummulative can just mean you've played a ton of years without much injury and had good teammates consistently. Nothing about that screams great to me.

That very reason, cumulative longevity, is why I'm not a big fan of Brett Favre's "records".
Agree that Peyton is "Marino with a ring".
All said I am very happy to have lived through the era of epic Bledsoe-Marino and Brady-Manning battles.

I do believe that like Brady, The Forehead loves playing the game and will play next year for that reason & stats, assuming that his neck bolts hold up when he's smoked in the 1st playoff game.

JMC00 · Nov 21, 2014

Rob0729 said:
Yeah, people are making excuses for Manning last week, but he had an entire half with Sanders before he was injured and the Broncos couldn't score. He seems to have starting to throw mostly short passes and his deeper balls were really bad floaters in the dome. I wonder at his age his arm is going dead on him as the season goes on. That happens to a lot of older QBs especially on a team that throws so much.

The thing most overlooked about Manning's game in St. Louis.

It was in a f***ing dome and there were probably as many Broncos fans as Rams fans there. So he had his ideal conditions and outside of a broken play that let Sanders get open he did nothing in that game.

UK_Pat37 · Nov 21, 2014

It's widely known Manning lives for his persona

Haley said:
Are cummulative stat records impressive to anyone? I understand if you went after a record that wasn't cummulative in nature but most touchdown passes doesn't mean much compared with something like best TD to INT ratio or best W/L record. Cummulative can just mean you've played a ton of years without much injury and had good teammates consistently. Nothing about that screams great to me.

I often wonder just how many personal stats are that impressive nowadays. We compare QBs of this era to Marino, Manning etc. when, let's be honest, it has never been easier for an NFL QB to pass the ball with the way rules have adapted over the last decade. On top of that, they have two extra games a season.

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