Josh McDaniels a Candidate at Florida?

Gator Mike · Nov 17, 2014

Something to possibly keep in mind...

There's some noise among people "in the know" that should Florida strike out in their attempt to hire a "big name" coach (Bob Stoops? Chip Kelly?) to replace Will Muschamp, that Josh McDaniels would be VERY high on their "B" list of candidates.

jboston19 · Nov 17, 2014

Florida is traditionally an elite name, but the program is in a bit of a mess right now and they won't have much patience to turn things around. He's already failed at one opening. There will probably be some respectable nfl jobs open, perhaps with the Giants or maybe down in Atlanta with a solid qbs and wr corps in place, not to mention a new England connection. Just my 2 cents.

Bourne Again Christian · Nov 17, 2014

I can't see Mcdaniels leaving Foxboro he loves the players and his family loves the area.
I can see him staying with a new title or leaving for say the Giants job.

Bourne Again Christian · Nov 17, 2014

Hope he stays.
I think Matt Patricia is a good coach but Revis is making him not the other way around remember people thought Ryan was a genius we now see why.
If someone makes Patricia a head coach buyer beware

Deus Irae · Nov 17, 2014

ctpatsfan77 · Nov 17, 2014

ChrisR2223 said:
I can't see Mcdaniels leaving Foxboro he loves the players and his family loves the area.
I can see him staying with a new title or leaving for say the Giants job.

He might have a clause in his current contract stating that he becomes HC immediately if Belichick leaves (such a clause circumvents the Rooney rule, BTW).

Jackson 2 · Nov 17, 2014

As long as he's not leaving until this season is over, I'll worry about it later.

Kontradiction · Nov 17, 2014

As a Gator fan, I'd rather them hire a big name with a history of winning and leave my pro team's OC alone.

ausbacker · Nov 17, 2014

KontradictioN said:
As a Gator fan, I'd rather them hire a big name with a history of winning and leave my pro team's OC alone.

Yeah, I have to hand it to McDaniels and Patricia. After the KC debacle, I was 100 percent on board with replacing the Coordinators. Fast forward 8 or so weeks and they've been magnificent in both concept and play design. Serves me right for overreacting to 4 performances in a regular season that is 16 games long.

Gator Mike · Nov 17, 2014

KontradictioN said:
As a Gator fan, I'd rather them hire a big name with a history of winning and leave my pro team's OC alone.

Can't say I disagree with you... but how realistic is a "big name" hire from Florida?

Does Stoops finally say "yes"??? I doubt it. Same with Chip Kelly. I've heard Mike Shanahan is interested, but would they really hire a 62-year old coach?

strngplyr · Nov 18, 2014

Good riddance if he leaves. I'm not anti-McDaniels or anything, but I've realized over the years that for ~75% of the season the OC isn't calling the plays.

Brady does as he pleases, as long as the players around him know the offense. He gets the final say of every play call after he checks out the defense and If I'm not mistaken, when we run the hurry up, he calls every play. The initial playcall is only the initial playcall. If Tom doesn't agree after seeing the defense then it won't be the play he ultimately runs.

The OC, in this system, is another set of eyes in the film room to find tendancies in the opposing defense.

Our offensive growth has 100% correlated to the growth of Tom Brady. It improved every season with Weis, improved every season with McDaniels, improved with BO'B (kind of skipping 2007 as it was a culmination of everything that could go right actually going right), and has once again improved with McDaniels back, this time back to 2007 levels of greatness.

Sure, we could certainly do worse than McDaniels, but the success of Tom Brady will determine how good the offense is, not whoever the coordinator is.

It's the same story every year for OC's playing with great QB's. They get too much credit because for some reason the greatness of the QBs is underrated when their name gets tossed around in coaching talks. How successful and beloved of a playcaller was he in Denver or St. Louis? I don't recall him being mentioned for more HC jobs when he wasn't coaching Tom Brady.

First year back in NE? CLE wants him to be their coach.

There won't be an OC bringing a new system to a 38 year old QB. The QB will educate the OC in New England's system and the train will continue to roll until Brady can't sling it.

The only OC I'll care about is the one in charge when and if JG takes over.

AzorianPats · Nov 18, 2014

jboston19 said:
Florida is traditionally an elite name, but the program is in a bit of a mess right now and they won't have much patience to turn things around. He's already failed at one opening. There will probably be some respectable nfl jobs open, perhaps with the Giants or maybe down in Atlanta with a solid qbs and wr corps in place, not to mention a new England connection. Just my 2 cents.

Florida is a huge name. If he goes the college route, I can see him taking the job.

All the names I've seen here from Atlanta, to NYG, and Florida, BB got connections to all of them.

DarrylS · Nov 18, 2014

I don't see it, he does not have a college pedigree, and in the college game it is all about recruiting... he did have a brief stint with Nick Saban, but seems to have chosen the NFL career route over the NCAA...

Game planning almost seems secondary to the game of getting the best players on campus..

Did you ever watch any of the documentaries on Nick Saban recruiting?? Great example...

Gumby · Nov 18, 2014

strngplyr said:
Good riddance if he leaves. I'm not anti-McDaniels or anything, but I've realized over the years that for ~75% of the season the OC isn't calling the plays.

Brady does as he pleases, as long as the players around him know the offense. He gets the final say of every play call after he checks out the defense and If I'm not mistaken, when we run the hurry up, he calls every play. The initial playcall is only the initial playcall. If Tom doesn't agree after seeing the defense then it won't be the play he ultimately runs.

The OC, in this system, is another set of eyes in the film room to find tendancies in the opposing defense.
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Sure, we could certainly do worse than McDaniels, ....
It's the same story every year for OC's playing with great QB's. They get too much credit because for some reason the greatness of the QBs is underrated when their name gets tossed around in coaching talks. How successful and beloved of a playcaller was he in Denver or St. Louis? I don't recall him being mentioned for more HC jobs when he wasn't coaching Tom Brady.

First year back in NE? CLE wants him to be their coach.

There won't be an OC bringing a new system to a 38 year old QB. The QB will educate the OC in New England's system and the train will continue to roll until Brady can't sling it.

The only OC I'll care about is the one in charge when and if JG takes over.

While I would agree that McDaniels isnt necessarily the one and ONLY candidate to potentially replace BB; I think your logic that brought you to that conclusion and even further to "good riddance" is ate up from your initial assumption. (bolded).

TB is NOT standing on the line calling out a huddle play naming convention as an audible. You dont give that up to the other team in the open and it isnt how they audible.

He is calling out as an audible ONE of a number of OPTIONS DESIGNED INTO THE PLAY (with one or two exceptions like the surprise QB sneak where the only two who know are the center and TB). Therefore, if it was designed into the play; it was designed by the OC as an OPTION for the QB to call. So it is still his [the OC's] play. Further, the QB on the field is making those choices of which option of the play design to use based on the coaching and preparation that the OC gave him during the week prior as 'GAME PREPARATION' [if you see this; we want to execute this option'].

Also note that TB is standing out there with a certain package of personnel (AGAIN ACCORDING TO THE PLAY DESIGN - as CALLED BY THE OC); he cant just go diving into the playbook and pull out 'red-xyz 5228' because he likes it if the right personnel arent on the field.

As to the 2d bolded part; when he got fired I seem to recall many of the stories saying; 'he is an up and comer; but he just moved to being a HC TOO SOON with the implicit assumption or outright statement that after a few years he would get another shot. If I took the time to look on this very board I could probably find at least 10 posters who opined ON THE DAY HE WAS HIRED; that he was an eventual replacement for BB. So that is many folks who talked about him being a HC again; not tied to a specific job (other than Pats); but he was talked about for sure.

Gumby · Nov 18, 2014

Anyway, as to the topic at hand; I see about 0% chance of this. Why would anyone who is very likely to get offered an NFL HC job in the next 6 to 18 months go down to college level where he would likely stay for at LEAST 3 and likely 5 years. And I would imagine after recent history of guys cutting and running in college; Florida would put some financial penalties in for someone turning around and leaving right away.

As to whether he actually goes out and interviews for NFL HC jobs or would even take a job if offered -- who knows. But every year there are at least 8 guys fired. You have to figure if at least 16-24 guys are being interviewed that McDaniels would get offered a few of those interviews.

UK_Pat37 · Nov 18, 2014

strngplyr said:
Good riddance if he leaves. I'm not anti-McDaniels or anything, but I've realized over the years that for ~75% of the season the OC isn't calling the plays.

Brady does as he pleases, as long as the players around him know the offense. He gets the final say of every play call after he checks out the defense and If I'm not mistaken, when we run the hurry up, he calls every play. The initial playcall is only the initial playcall. If Tom doesn't agree after seeing the defense then it won't be the play he ultimately runs.

The OC, in this system, is another set of eyes in the film room to find tendancies in the opposing defense.

Our offensive growth has 100% correlated to the growth of Tom Brady. It improved every season with Weis, improved every season with McDaniels, improved with BO'B (kind of skipping 2007 as it was a culmination of everything that could go right actually going right), and has once again improved with McDaniels back, this time back to 2007 levels of greatness.

Sure, we could certainly do worse than McDaniels, but the success of Tom Brady will determine how good the offense is, not whoever the coordinator is.

It's the same story every year for OC's playing with great QB's. They get too much credit because for some reason the greatness of the QBs is underrated when their name gets tossed around in coaching talks. How successful and beloved of a playcaller was he in Denver or St. Louis? I don't recall him being mentioned for more HC jobs when he wasn't coaching Tom Brady.

First year back in NE? CLE wants him to be their coach.

There won't be an OC bringing a new system to a 38 year old QB. The QB will educate the OC in New England's system and the train will continue to roll until Brady can't sling it.

The only OC I'll care about is the one in charge when and if JG takes over.

You couldn't be more wrong if you physically tried.

Do you think every time Brady audibles at the line it actually means something? It doesn't. He could sit there talking for ten seconds and it might not mean sh*t. Fake audibles are part of the game.

Brady has the power to alter routes and plays but, funnily enough, guess who designs those plays...JOSH MCDANIELS. Not only that, but they are scripted within that game plan...that Josh McDaniels designs. Brady of course has an input...as does Belichick...but unless BB drastically disagrees with the game plan he is pretty comfortable with McDaniels.

Those plays that Brady audibles to are plays he is TAUGHT to audible to.

I'm sorry but if he could work with Matt Cassel to take us to an 11-5 season, then I have every confidence in this guys ability. He had an amazing season. Does having a great QB help? Of course it does. You could be the best OC to ever live and it your OL can't block, or your QB can't throw, it won't amount to anything.

Galeb · Nov 18, 2014

UK_Pat37 said:
You couldn't be more wrong if you physically tried.

Do you think every time Brady audibles at the line it actually means something? It doesn't. He could sit there talking for ten seconds and it might not mean sh*t. Fake audibles are part of the game.

Brady has the power to alter routes and plays but, funnily enough, guess who designs those plays...JOSH MCDANIELS. Not only that, but they are scripted within that game plan...that Josh McDaniels designs. Brady of course has an input...as does Belichick...but unless BB drastically disagrees with the game plan he is pretty comfortable with McDaniels.

Those plays that Brady audibles to are plays he is TAUGHT to audible to.

I'm sorry but if he could work with Matt Cassel to take us to an 11-5 season, then I have every confidence in this guys ability. He had an amazing season. Does having a great QB help? Of course it does. You could be the best OC to ever live and it your OL can't block, or your QB can't throw, it won't amount to anything.

Brady and BB have a ton of input in the design of plays. Josh or BB call the plays. Brady sets the protection schemes and has the authority to audible to a different play.

PatsWickedPissah · Nov 18, 2014

ausbacker said:
Yeah, I have to hand it to McDaniels and Patricia. After the KC debacle, I was 100 percent on board with replacing the Coordinators. Fast forward 8 or so weeks and they've been magnificent in both concept and play design. Serves me right for overreacting to 4 performances in a regular season that is 16 games long.

I too had lost considerable confidence in the coaching staff including BB and the players after that debacle. However, I was adamantly opposed to replacing coordinators at that time because such a change, even to superior coaches would have been a discontinuity that would have tanked the chances to win the AFCE. Not that superior coordinators would have been readily available quarter season either.

BelichickFan · Nov 18, 2014

I'd say there's almost no chance of this happening, after hiring a first time HC and having it fail there's no chance I see them going with a coach who has never been in the college game and was fired quickly his first time as an NFL HC.

I love Josh, but Daboll should be fine if needed. If Josh leaves, though, I highly doubt it's to the Gators.

FreeTedWilliams · Nov 18, 2014

McDaniels has ZERO recruiting experience! That is the big thing in major college football. The actual coaching is secondary. Why is Alabama so good, year after year? their entire team is nothing but 4 and 5 star recruits!

You could field a National Championship contender, every year at Florida, if you convinced say only 25% of the 5 star recruits from Florida to come to Gainsville. But you have to fight Miami, Florida St., Georgia, Alabama, for the big time talent, and Central and Southern Florida for the 4 star recruits. So the biggest thing is to have a big time coach that can recruit, that the kids believe will give them the best chance for national exposure and draft position.

McDaniels has no college experience whatsoever, Mushnick was a Spurrier guy, so I'm sure he had some of Spurrier's recruiters left over. McDaniels would be starting from scrath! I just don't see it as a smart move by Florida. I wonder if they could convince the Ole Ball Coach to come back.

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