Garoppolo trade value for 2015?

Boston Boxer said:

Winston is going to suck as a pro...he is Byron Leftwich 2.0. I think Mariota will be a pretty good pro. I doubt we deal Garoppalo, he is learning from the system and will slide right into the spot when Tom is done

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I don't know why I didn't see it until I read this post, but now I see Leftwich clear as day. I couldn't put my finger on who he reminded of for anything. THANK YOU.

I remember Leftwich as the rocket armed guy that was somehow a franchise qb despite David Garrad and MJD actually doing all of the work.

No way they trade Garrapolo - I hope. In 30 years watching this team he's the most impressive rookie qb ive seen, including hoyer, caseell, bishop, Bledsoe & Brady. That's not saying hes better than the latter two especially now or ever, but belichick really hit on this one. If he continues to develop within the pats' erhardt/perkins system he has solid 10 year nfl starter written all over him...at the minimum....

robertweathers said:

Yea. The greatest (???) NFL QB criminal is Art Schlichter. Mafia associate...

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Maybe. Andy Dalton getting a 6-year, $115M deal looks like a much bigger heist than any mafia associate ever stole...

...and yeah, I know it's really just a 2-year deal for $25M. But even that is like highway robbery.

cupofjoe1962 said:

I disagree......

Who is the safer bet for the NFL, Garropalo, Winston, or Mariota.
If I was picking a college team I would go with Winston, but for the NFL I would go with Garropalo.
Now, we probably wouldn't get a top 10 pick for him, but what about a 10-20 pick?

Houston really needs a Quarterback.
Philly (20-25 range, may go QB).

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You can disagree all you want, that doesn't make you correct. Many of your assumptions are just flat out wrong.

First off, Houston traded for Mallett. They are going to see how he does before they go looking for another QB. Houston also just drafted a QB in Tom Savage who they are very high on..

Philly has QBs in Foles and Sanchez (can't believe I'm saying that) and Barkley. Barkley was picked by Chip Kelly.

You're acting as if those two teams are desperate. They aren't. In fact, the lack of a top QB in this year's draft coincides with there being very few teams who will be looking for one.

If you want to talk about teams needing a QB, you should talk about the Rams. With Bradford getting IRed again (3rd time in 5 years) he's likely done there. The other teams to talk about are the Bills and Jets. It's becoming plainly clear that both Manuel and Smith are both busts who aren't going to hack it in the NFL. The Jets are going to have a new Coach starting next year and the Bills are likely to stick with Marrone for at least another year and Marrone is likely to try Manuel again, so I doubt he'll take a QB early..

OH, yeah. One last thing. 14 years ago, there was another draft that didn't have a ton of QB talent. It produced one of the greatest QBs of all time. And he was taken in the 6th round. Yes, he's the exception, not the rule. But the fact is that it can happen.

Just keep that in mind.

We're not gonna get anything higher than a 2-3, so why would we give up on our potential future for a Draft pick?

I know Brady has been playing fantastic lately, but he is 37 years old. You don't know how much longer he ends up playing. I mean shoot maybe he plays 5-6 more years like he's aiming for but odds are he's looking at 2-3 more years after this year.

In his few snaps he's played Jimmy's shown alot of promise, we shouldn't just ditch a guy who could very well be our future. Garroppolos don't just grow on trees.

convertedpatsfan said:

Maybe. Andy Dalton getting a 6-year, $115M deal looks like a much bigger heist than any mafia associate ever stole...

...and yeah, I know it's really just a 2-year deal for $25M. But even that is like highway robbery.

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Jamarcus Russell is the Henry Hill of the NFL

AzPatsFan said:

So what ?? Are we supposed to "cry me a river" ? I'm reminded of a plagiarized movie line. "Picks ?! We don't need no stinkin' Picks !".

The truth is Belichick has created a situation where he really Does Not Need the entire 2015 Draft.

Only a possible DE, RB and OL might be needed, and he could go to vet FAs for them all, if there really is a need, not just a hypothetical need.

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It's posts like yours that keep me off the Top 10 Homah list.
If for nothing else, the draft keeps the salary cap within bounds by (hopefully) providing starters and game day 46 players that are on relatively cheap rookie contracts. A FA only or FA heavy approach is a cap buster as your avg cost/53 rises precipitously even with "cheap" FAs.

FCB02062 said:

No way they trade Garrapolo - I hope. In 30 years watching this team he's the most impressive rookie qb ive seen, including hoyer, caseell, bishop, Bledsoe & Brady. That's not saying hes better than the latter two especially now or ever, but belichick really hit on this one. If he continues to develop within the pats' erhardt/perkins system he has solid 10 year nfl starter written all over him...at the minimum....

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You must have missed Bledsoe's rookie year. Impressive. Yeah, the flaws were there but we saw LOTS more exposure to quality opponents in meaningful games. Preseason, Drew was quite impressive from the get go.

PatsWickedPissah said:

It's posts like yours that keep me off the Top 10 Homah list.
If for nothing else, the draft keeps the salary cap within bounds by (hopefully) providing starters and game day 46 players that are on relatively cheap rookie contracts. A FA only or FA heavy approach is a cap buster as your avg cost/53 rises precipitously even with "cheap" FAs.

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I wrote that to underline the fact that there are few urgent needs on this team any longer. It has been rebuilt with rising young players. I wrote it to SHOCK people and make them think, not that BB won't use his Draft picks to improve the Team further.

Mayo, & Ridley may recover and a reserve DE could possibly develop behind starters Chandler Jones and Ninkovrabel. Buchanan, Moore and longshot Bequette, are athletes with ideal size and speed.

cupofjoe1962 said:

Looking through the 2015 Mock Drafts it doesn't look like a deep QB crop.

Jameson Winston & Marcus Mariota are both projected to go in the top 5 picks of the 2015 Draft.

Winston seems to be an on the field winner, but he is a huge risk because of his off field troubles.
Mariota is probably a safer pick, but he is not known as an accurate passer.

I think Garoppalo could appear to be a better choice for the NFL than either Mariota or Winston.

I believe the Patriots drafted Mallett to use as a backup and then spin him for a higher pick in the future.
Unfortunately Mallett never impressed anyone on the field.

Garoppalo has looked good, and I can't help but wonder about his 2015 value.

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Stop, please, stop. If Garoppolo was better than Winston or Mariota, he would've been a first round pick.

Oh God...... We JUST drafted JG. Keep the back up QB. Let's stop this. Hoyer was released. He was out of work for a while. And he is 9-3 in the NFL ! If HE doesn't fetch anything, neither will our new back up. He might pan out. He might have value. But in 2015, he should be the #2 for the NEP. Next.

Skeeter712 said:

Stop, please, stop. If Garoppolo was better than Winston or Mariota, he would've been a first round pick.

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A Draft study published on these pages reported that only 76% of First Round picks ever played and became regulars. The number of First round QBs who succeed is lower than that.

Polo has already passed the first tests of an NFL TC as a QB candidate, therefor his value has escalated.

The Pats have no need to trade him. Remember it takes two to make a deal, both a willing Seller and a willing Buyer. Who says BB is a willing Seller?

I'm going to bump this thread the day Garoppolo gets voted to his first pro-bowl.

Skeeter712 said:

Stop, please, stop. If Garoppolo was better than Winston or Mariota, he would've been a first round pick.

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JaMarcus Russell waves hi.

Which is to say the draft is an inexact science. Not to mention it isn't a given that Winston will even BE a first round pick, although I expect there's a team out there stupid enough to pull the trigger on him.

Today I saw Brady's replacement (albeit on youtube)

He threw his pass from the crib- a nerf football that swished in a hoop across the room. This is our guy, I tellya.

@cupofjoe1962 - The least you can do if you disagree with something that is FACTUAL is provide some sort of proof that counters what is said to you.

Fact: Houston just traded for Mallett
Fact: Houston also has Tom Savage who they just drafted and rated just as highly as Garrapolo.
Fact: Philly has Foles, Barkley and Sanchez.
Fact: Barkley was drafted by Chip Kelly
Fact: Sam Bradford was IRed for the 3rd time in 5 years.
Fact: Geno Smith and EJ Manuel both have less than 60% completed passes
Fact: 14 years ago, the were only 12 QBs taken. 6 before Brady and 5 after him. Only 1 was taken in the 1st round in Chad Pennington.

So, what is it that you disagree with? My opinion that Bradford will be gone? My Opinion that Rex Ryan and Idzik will be gone? Or that your assumptions are wrong based on the aforementioned facts?

I thought in the midst of what seems to be a successful season this madness would end, apparently not.

Remember all the discussion about trading Mallett and the first round picks we would receive??

Sometimes I think some posters get their genres confused, baseball vs. football, the latter really does not make a lot of trades.

Ridiculous thread.

People are deluded. Whilst Brady is playing as well as he ever has right now, there is no way you can discredit the fact that he is a 37 year old quarterback...more prone to injury and a large drop-off.

Eventually he;s going to have to make way for a younger, more promising QB. Garoppolo has had some promise and we need to let a QB develop for a couple of years in the event of a takeover...not trade a QB away every year and replace him with another rookie for crying out loud.

I like Garoppolo and I really don't see Brady having more than a couple of years after this season. We have got to start taking developing Brady's successor seriously.

DaBruinz said:

@cupofjoe1962 - The least you can do if you disagree with something that is FACTUAL is provide some sort of proof that counters what is said to you.

Fact: Houston just traded for Mallett
Fact: Houston also has Tom Savage who they just drafted and rated just as highly as Garrapolo.
Fact: Philly has Foles, Barkley and Sanchez.
Fact: Barkley was drafted by Chip Kelly
Fact: Sam Bradford was IRed for the 3rd time in 5 years.
Fact: Geno Smith and EJ Manuel both have less than 60% completed passes
Fact: 14 years ago, the were only 12 QBs taken. 6 before Brady and 5 after him. Only 1 was taken in the 1st round in Chad Pennington.

So, what is it that you disagree with? My opinion that Bradford will be gone? My Opinion that Rex Ryan and Idzik will be gone? Or that your assumptions are wrong based on the aforementioned facts?

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Fact: Houston just traded for Mallett
They gave up almost nothing to get him. He also lost his job in New England to a guy by the
name of Garrapolo. Why would they want Garropalo, because they already have a worse quarterback?
Fact: Houston also has Tom Savage who they just drafted and rated just as highly as Garrapolo.
You drinking the Houston Koolaid ? I remember hearing Mike Mayock saying he bet Houson was upset when the Pats drafted Garrapolo. They also said that Houstons next pick TE C.J. Fiedorowicz
could be an attempt to steal the Pats next projected pick.
Fact: Barkley was drafted by Chip Kelly
There has been major concern of his arm strength.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ey-bristles-at-criticism-of-his-arm-strength/
Fact: Sam Bradford was IRed for the 3rd time in 5 years.
Never said he wasn't. Just for the record, Brett Favre is calling St Louis current QB Austin Davis the next Tom Brady or Kurt Warner.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...ms-qb-austin-davis-next-tom-brady-kurt-warner
Fact: Geno Smith and EJ Manuel both have less than 60% completed passes
I pointed out that EJ Manuel was a reach by a team desperate for a QB.
Fact: 14 years ago, the were only 12 QBs taken. 6 before Brady and 5 after him. Only 1 was taken in the 1st round in Chad Pennington.
Wow.... good for you.... Did you just catch the Brady 6 on the NFL network.

What is your point?
You going to run out some more irrelevant fun facts?
No need to tell me Kurt Warner worked in a supermarket..... You have yet to tell me
anything I didn't know.

All I did was make a post asking Garrapolo's trade value.
I believe it is high because he has looked good in limited action and 2015, there are two
top 5 potential quarterbacks who are both a gamble.
Mariota - Accuracy.
Winston - Decison making and off field trouble.

I never said..... Trade Garropalo... I just asked his value.
Although I would trade him for a top 20 pick.

Garropalo is on his rookie contract, The Pats are going to take him and develop him. When Tom Brady GOAT rides off into the sunset. Jimmy will be more ready to step in and play. Will he be Brady of course not, but he has a huge upside. Let him sit and learn and possibly get a ring. Then go from there. GO PATS