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Bedard Film Review : Pats vs Broncos


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Felt Demarcus Ware came out very small in this game.
I said the DeMarcus Ware we see today is NOT the DeMarcus Ware of old. All he is concerned with is his sacks, and to hell with Team defense.

I was crucified for that, but what I said still stands. Now Bedard agrees. Boy, he must be a very smart guy, since he agrees with me.;););):)
 
The problem for the Broncos passing offense is that the NE Patriots have the best secondary (top to bottom) in the NFL. When Alfonso Dennard is your healthy scratch CB, you've got a very impressive squad. When you can play man coverage on four receivers, but are willing to mix man and zone anywhere on the field, you create a lot of problems for a passing offense.

There are those who don't think BB knows how to evaluate and obtain players; or use them once he has them...:mad:o_O
Says people should take the Cards seriously. Has them going 12-4 and the #1 seed. Says Carson Palmer is playing really well.

My pre-season NFC SB attendee...
 
Mazz: It is an indictment on Rex that Sanchez is better now than on the Jets.

I disagree. IMO, Sanchez getting cut by the Jets was a big wakeup call for him, and he has really cleaned up his act and looks much more prepared and focused now. Hasn't been on TMZ in a long time.
 
Says people should take the Cards seriously. Has them going 12-4 and the #1 seed. Says Carson Palmer is playing really well.

Carson Palmer was a very good QB, but in a playoff game vs the Steelers in 2005, he was taken out by a cheap shot to his knee after hitting a bomb on his only pass. That pretty much ended the career that he might have had. Just as they tried to do to Tom Brady in 2001.

It's great to see Carson Palmer playing well again. Hopefully, we can meet his team in the SB this year.
 
Carson Palmer was a very good QB, but in a playoff game vs the Steelers in 2005, he was taken out by a cheap shot to his knee after hitting a bomb on his only pass. That pretty much ended the career that he might have had. Just as they tried to do to Tom Brady in 2001.

It's great to see Carson Palmer playing well again. Hopefully, we can meet his team in the SB this year.
I'd rather play them in next year's SB instead of this year's which is on their home turf!
 
Carson Palmer was a very good QB, but in a playoff game vs the Steelers in 2005, he was taken out by a cheap shot to his knee after hitting a bomb on his only pass. That pretty much ended the career that he might have had. Just as they tried to do to Tom Brady in 2001.

It's great to see Carson Palmer playing well again. Hopefully, we can meet his team in the SB this year.
They should have implemented the Brady Rule right then and there. A horrific injury.
 
Hightower was constantly chipping and hitting their WRs during the crossing routes. Really takes the short option out if done consistently and he did that on the first INT. Not that manning was looking at sanders anyway.

He was in robber on the flat, same as last time. I found it surprising that Denver did not bother correcting for this and continued with their crossers as if nothing happened. Welker was the worst off for it, IMO, getting mauled every time he lateralled.

But as has been mentioned of Manning before, the issue is not figuring out the offense he runs (not complicated) but trying to disrupt the timing of it, which we did for the most part.
 
I'm surprised how effective playaction is when our run game is ineffective and incapable or breaking off anything big.

I've been quoting Barnwell a lot lately but he wrote a good bit on it a while ago.

http://grantland.com/features/nfl-c...ss-strategy-run-game-screen-pass-play-action/

Seattle is an example of what a bruising running game can sometimes lend to play-action. The Seahawks enjoyed the league’s fourth-highest change in EPA/play last season when comparing play-action plays to other passes. Just as a slashing John Wall creates more opportunities for his teammates to bomb corner 3s, a running back like Lynch can make a run fake more effective. There are several cases in the past five years where play-action success is connected to run-heavy offenses like the Seahawks’. Houston, San Francisco, and Washington all rank in the top five for the largest difference in EPA/play between play-action passes and other throws. But there are plenty of examples that show a great run game doesn’t guarantee better returns.

One of the teams that’s run the most play-action passes since 2009 is, unsurprisingly, Minnesota, which faces a defense every week that’s geared up for Peterson. When it comes to their success on those plays, though, the Vikings rank 21st in EPA/play. This is a blow to the notion that establishing the run is the vital factor in play-action. A defense being preoccupied with Peterson doesn’t guarantee a chunk of yards through the air when he’s used as a decoy. In fact, of the four teams that finished with a positive EPA/play in the run game, only one (New England) finished in the top 10 on play-action plays.

What is a slight surprise, however, is that none of the teams near the top would be considered running teams. The Packers, who are 18th in rushing attempts since ’09 and had been shuffling backs for years before Eddie Lacy showed up, rank third (.33 EPA). The Broncos are right behind them, at .31 EPA, and most of that damage was done since Manning arrived.

That’s because play-action passes are still passes, and the teams with the best quarterbacks still typically get the most out of them. In 2013, Denver led the way with .57 EPA, and San Diego, second in passing DVOA, was no. 2 (at .55 EPA). Supporting the claim that establishing the run doesn’t necessarily mean play-action success are last year’s Bills (minus-.18 EPA). Buffalo led the league in rushing attempts but ranked last in EPA/play on play-action. For a team like the Bills, those numbers tend to have a significant relationship. Head coach Doug Marrone’s tendency to lean on his ground game was a way to protect his group of young quarterbacks, a group that isn’t set up to make the quick reads necessary on play-action throws.

So it isn't necessarily about the running game so much as the QB who ends up throwing after the fake. Both Green Bay and Denver have also had success without dominating ground games. It's natural to respond to the fake or at least respect that it might happen.
 
Yes, thanks especially to Rob and Haley for this.

And I agree, thought Manning played well, even for him. There were some terrific reads and incredible throws. And, his limitations were on display, but not crippling him. Nice to beat him when he plays well.

Some comments on the comments:

1. Thanks to all the posters who did the work to keep the rest of us informed.

6. '''BTW- I am one who thought that Manning didn't stink the other night. I thought he played one of his better games against the Pats. He made a number of perfect throws to players who were covered very tightly. If he really was having a bad night he would have had a half dozen picks instead of throwing for over 400 yds.
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They should have implemented the Brady Rule right then and there. A horrific injury.
your right, i remember watching kemo von??? go for palmers knees it was blatantly obvious, more so than when *can't remember his name) went for bradys. It should be known as the palmer rule
 
This is from Frenz on Boston.com this morning:

The Broncos defense, however, did not make life very difficult for the Patriots offensive line. Defensive coordinator Jack Del Rio called almost exclusively straight rushes. They blitzed seven times, by my count, but most of their rushes were straight ahead. They didn't attempt any stunts to try to create confusion on the interior of the Patriots offensive line, as other teams had tried to do earlier in the season.

Why would a D-coordinator do this? I just don't get it.

In the same article, the film shows how the Pats' sacks were the result of bad reads by the Broncos O-line on stunts by the Pats. It wasn't that one of our players beat one of their blockers straight up. It rarely is. Why would someone who has been around as long as Del Rio not do anything to create confusion or mismatches? Is there an intelligent bit of strategy here that I'm missing?

http://www.boston.com/sports/footba...ake_2_how_the_patriots_secondary_made_pe.html
 
The problem for the Broncos passing offense is that the NE Patriots have the best secondary (top to bottom) in the NFL. When Alfonso Dennard is your healthy scratch CB, you've got a very impressive squad. When you can play man coverage on four receivers, but are willing to mix man and zone anywhere on the field, you create a lot of problems for a passing offense.
Another thing that I haven't seen mentioned, but it'd be worth repeating if ti does.

How smart/prepared must this team be to be able (even within the same series) switch defensive formations like that and not skip a beat. I mean that goes beyond making a gameplan for individual teams, it's having players that are talented enough, trust the system enough, and are smart enough to be able to quickly change their mental framework from one play to another.

This must be BB/Matt Patricia football nirvana.
 
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Asked if they opened up the toolbox too much and have nothing left to be surprised in the AFCCG or in the playoffs. He feels it could be a problem, but he thinks the Pats are talented enough to just line up and play. Says he thinks the Pats didn't do anything too exotic and still probably have a few surprises.

There are two kinds of things to hold back and save for the right moment -- general strategies/gameplans and specific plays. The gameplan was a doozy; one of BB's best and/or most innovative ever. But other than the unit swap on the punting down, I don't recall any special plays.

And BB is willing to get innovative in gameplan during the regular season, e.g. the ameoba vs. the Bills.
 
Didn't they confuse mostly by giving the same look and morphing into different defenses with unpredictable rushers? If that is the case, then unless Denver can find a tip on the film, I don't see why it couldn't be reasonably successful in a rematch.

I was kind of getting at that. I imagine that they gave some tells, which were too small for Manning to recognize w/o being prepared for them, that they'd best self-scout, find, and correct before trying a similar plan again.

I also suspect that they have some particular stunts and plays to run out of that scheme they haven't used yet.
 
I don't follow? I was serious..
Stop, you're starting to make future patriot fans (less than 1 year old) cry.

The Carson Palmer rule is actually usually referred to as the Brady rule by the media and uninformed masses. The Carson Palmer rule doesn't allow defenders to launch at players knees.

The Brady Rule doesn't allow players that are on the ground to launch themselves/lunge at QBs until they have re-established their feet on the ground.
 
I said the DeMarcus Ware we see today is NOT the DeMarcus Ware of old. All he is concerned with is his sacks, and to hell with Team defense.

I was crucified for that, but what I said still stands. Now Bedard agrees. Boy, he must be a very smart guy, since he agrees with me.;););):)

Which is part of the problem with this obsession with sacks. The whole Fantasy mentality, stats and all that. BB has always favored the all around defender over the guy who can shine in one area but suck elsewhere.

Anyway, serious thanks to all who posted here. Great great thread. We are missing Bedard, but glad he has this outlet.

Oh .. and time to rank on Bedard's successor: I was following my Sports peeps on Twitter Sunday and Volin chimed in for the first time around the third quarter. Said he had DVR'd the game and was just starting to watch. WTF? Why is the Globe's NFL guy home DVRing this game?
 
Can you imagine getting to the Super Bowl the year that it is at your home stadium and then LOSING? Hah, that would be brutal!
 
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