Denver's TJ Ward a man of his word, goes low on 87 again

deters said:

No, i'm a realist in a world where you reap what you sow. Ward wants to act like a dog, he better not be surprised when he gets bit.

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Your post makes you a bigger POS than Ward.

You can wrap up at the knees

Or you can turn your body into a heat seeking missile while launching your helmet first at the knees

TJ Wart chose the latter

Looks mid-thigh to me.

rochrist said:

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Looks mid-thigh to me.

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Get glasses

Deus Irae said:

Get glasses

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Right. Ok, now we see that you can't even accept photographic evidence of anything that contradicts you. His helmet and shoulder are clearly midthigh and the that's WITH Manning lifting his knee at the same time. If you can't see that, I'm not the one who needs glasses, you are. You're wrong.

rochrist said:

Right. Ok, now we see that you can't even accept photographic evidence of anything that contradicts you. His helmet and shoulder are clearly midthigh and the that's WITH Manning lifting his knee at the same time. If you can't see that, I'm not the one who needs glasses, you are. You're wrong.

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The evidence doesn't contradict me. That's why I suggested glasses for you. His helmet is above the bended knee. His shoulder is hitting said knee.

This is frigging ridiculous analyzing these pictures like the Zapruder film. Get the guy on the ground. End of story.

letekro said:

This is frigging ridiculous analyzing these pictures like the Zapruder film. Get the guy on the ground. End of story.

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No, we have to wish for career ending injuries for opponents who follow the NFL rules.

Deus.

are you saying Ayers hit is dirty?
Don't hide behind language now. Simple yes or no would suffice.

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When I first saw that hit I thought it was too low by Ayers. But when they showed the replay it was pretty clear that it wasn't.

Ayers hit was not AT the knee. It was close but he wrapped up higher and then kinda slide down to the knee. it wasn't a direct helmet to knee shot that Ward was trying to hand out

resdubwhite said:

Deus.

are you saying Ayers hit is dirty?
Don't hide behind language now. Simple yes or no would suffice.

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I'm not hiding behind language. I'm pointing out that the Patriots had a player who hit an opponent's knee (Gasp! a QB) while making a tackle. Unlike Ward's hit, it could have been called a penalty because of the positional player targeted.

resdubwhite said:

Deus.

are you saying Ayers hit is dirty?
Don't hide behind language now. Simple yes or no would suffice.

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incoming 300 word paragraph ending in "straw man argument"

Marinlik said:

When I first saw that hit I thought it was too low by Ayers. But when they showed the replay it was pretty clear that it wasn't.

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Me too. I know the officials get pooped on a lot but because the game moves so fast, it is very hard to make the correct call all the time. It seems to me that Ayers' hit was not a penalty as his head and shoulder are above the kneecap.

Ford hit?? I guess I'm still confused why the "crown of the helmet" rule is not expanded so that hits like his are subjected to penalties and potentially fines. In theory, the rule would deter defensive players from taking out knees but protect their heads from legs in motion as well (for anyone who has been kneed in the head, it doesn't feel good...)

Deus Irae said:

I'm not hiding behind language. I'm pointing out that the Patriots had a player who hit an opponent's knee (Gasp! a QB) while making a tackle. Unlike Ward's hit, it could have been called a penalty because of the positional player targeted.

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In your opinion. Was it a penalty ?

Is the rule you can't hit a knee? Or is it helmet to knee? Or I think is it a forceful hit down low?

resdubwhite said:

In your opinion. Was it a penalty ?

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Could have gone either way based on the 'force' portion of the rule, which is what the former official who guested on Gresh & Zo (I think) said.


edit: And I see DaBruinz clowned himself with this one, too.

Bruins29 said:

Is the rule you can't hit a knee? Or is it helmet to knee? Or I think is it a forceful hit down low?

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No defensive player who has an unrestricted path to the quarterback may hit him flagrantly in the area of the knee(s) or below when approaching in any direction.

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http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/protectionofpasser

Ivan said:

The Ayers sack of Manning was a perfect example, he could have driven his helmet into his knee but wrapped him up instead, and that's why it wasn't called. Ward clearly wants to injure Gronkowski, that's not even a question at this point.

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I was on the fence about this needing to see how other defenders do it but you make a great point. TJ ward does not attempt to wrap his legs up, he's just trying to spear him with his head.