All-purpose Tom Brady vs. Peyton Manning thread

I'm usually not one for merges, but I'd like to propose an all-purpose Brady vs. Manning thread, possibly even stickied.

My contribution tonight is http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2253566-brady-vs-manning-is-not-complicated-brady-is-better, in which Mike Freeman says that Brady is better than Manning, it isn't even close, and the main reason is that Brady can excel under a broad variety of conditions (receiver group, weather, etc.) whereas Manning can't.

They are great competitors, but one is starting to clearly show that he's better than the other.

I don't want to turn this into an ode to Brady. This isn't Beowulf. Yet, we are seeing something incredible. As much as we have all slobbered over their battles, in many ways, this has turned into a rout.

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Not worth it. Peyton's irrelevant and his team is bad.

It really shouldn't be a debate anymore it never was just people hate being wrong about Forehead being the GOAT when the 6throunder out of Michigan has spoiled that

The comparison has been made many times.

Manning is the Dan Marino of the era. A great, great qb who just wasn't quite malleable enough to translate regular season dominance into playoff/sb level dominance.
Brady is the Joe Montana of this era.

Imo the GOAT debate has always been between Montana, Unitas and Brady. Peyton is just outside and would need another superbowl to break into that conversation.

Aaron Rogers could also one day make it into that level.

PATS16N0 said:

Not worth it. Peyton's irrelevant and his team is bad.

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Both parts of that are so overstated as to be ridiculous. Peyton's an outstanding QB, and the Broncos this year are an excellent team.

Fencer said:

Both parts of that are so overstated as to be ridiculous. Peyton's an outstanding QB, and the Broncos this year are an excellent team.

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Nah, they're soft, second rate stat-compilers, and winter is coming.

They're both great. Brady is better. He has a stronger arm. He moves better in the pocket. Manning is more accurate. If they beat us in the playoffs, the media will switch back to Manning.

ArchAngel007 said:

It really shouldn't be a debate anymore it never was just people hate being wrong about Forehead being the GOAT when the 6throunder out of Michigan has spoiled that

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This.

The debate's over. Shouldn't be any more threads. What is left to discuss?

Hael said:

Imo the GOAT debate has always been between Montana, Unitas and Brady.

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You could put Graham in there, and then, you've got a real cross-era debate.

I agree with others here; Manning's pedigree has kept him in the conversation much longer than he should be.

I like Peyton for my fantasy football team.. 'nuf said.

At every stage of their respective careers, Manning has of course been the more experienced QB than Brady. For a significant minority of their careers, that extended to him being flat-out better. He was first of the two to be an NFL starter at all, first of the two to throw a good deep ball, and first of the two to move outside the pocket in any useful way at all.

So while Brady is better, for all the reasons folks around here think he is, the gap is not ridiculously wide.

I've heard and read all the arguments and I have come to a simple conclusion . Brady deals with adversity better than Manning. It makes sense that he would given their respective history. Its just that simple

Brady is the best regular season QB of all time and it isn't even close (77.%% to Montana at 71.3%), you can debate Brady v Montana as the best playoff QB of the SB era, if Brady wins #4 the debate ends for that also. I also predict that Brady will be the first QB with >200 regular season wins, Manning will surpass Farve but not get to 200.

worth the read:

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.co...w-tom-brady-better-than-peyton-manning/31873/

yukon cornelius said:

worth the read:

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/no-debate-facts-show-tom-brady-better-than-peyton-manning/31873/

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I came here to post that. I don't think it's a slight to Manning saying he's second to Brady, he just is. Both are incredible, but Brady's thrown considerably less in his career (fewer seasons, fewer passes per game instead relying on a more balanced attack) so has way fewer counting stats to fall back on. He's had a revolving door of mostly second-rate receivers (with the exception of Moss, and we all saw how dominant those two were) and Gronk (and we're seeing the best QB-TE combo in the history of the sport). Brady's done it outdoors, in NE, Buffalo and NY, versus the comfy domes Manning built his legacy on during his Indy days. And end of the day Brady's just done it, consistently winning over and over again, regular season AND playoffs. Manning compiles stats, and he's incredible in his own right, but when the pressure's on he wilts, time and time again.

It's not even a debate, it really isn't. anyone who says they'd take Manning over Brady is either and Indy/Denver homer or plays too much fantasy football. Period.

It's amazing how circular the logic gets with respect to fans/media.

In the debate between Brady sand Manning, while there decision is close to split, I feel there would be more support for Manning being better than Brady. Thank you Fantasy Football generated sports fans.

If polled who was/is the greatest QB of all time, the majority of people polled would obviously state Joe Montana. Ask the same people who today would be similar to Montana and that same group would most likely point to Brady. Obviously, the transitive law of mathematics (if A>B and B>C then A>C) doesn't apply to football because opinion overrides good study and most of us as fans (or media) aren't really qualified to breakdown a QBs performance.

Obviously, I'm going with Brady and most of us (Patsfan.com) know/understand the difference in their environments, coaches, and players they've had.

it reminds me of Wilt vs Russel

RelocatedPatFan said:

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Obviously, I'm going with Brady and most of us (Patsfan.com) know/understand the difference in their environments, coaches, and players they've had.

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This is what it boils down to...to properly evaluate the two players you have to take into account all the dynamics, but people are lazy so fall back on basic stats. Mannings played longer and has been on pass-happy offenses for his entire career, his counting stats are through the roof. But he's also thrown WAY more interceptions, which gets lost in the shuffle. He's had far, far more consistency in his offenses, Wayne, Harrison and Clark and now the Thomas's and Welker; vs. a revolving door of receivers every three years for Brady (seriously, look at the prominent receivers in 2001, then 2004, then 2007, then 2010, and now 2014...for Manning it's basically been two sets of receivers, Brady's weapons--and the offense he's running--has changed up every time). The game conditions matter, playing in Foxboro vs. a dome is a massive difference and Brady has absolutely ANNIHILATED teams in domes, is there any question he'd be a monster if his home stadium were a dome?

People are lazy, so they look at the TD's and yards Manning's thrown for. But when you really break down the variables Brady's been the better QB, period, without even getting into the postseason argument that Brady wins by a landslide.

hambone1818 said:

This is what it boils down to...to properly evaluate the two players you have to take into account all the dynamics, but people are lazy so fall back on basic stats. Mannings played longer and has been on pass-happy offenses for his entire career, his counting stats are through the roof. But he's also thrown WAY more interceptions, which gets lost in the shuffle. He's had far, far more consistency in his offenses, Wayne, Harrison and Clark and now the Thomas's and Welker; vs. a revolving door of receivers every three years for Brady (seriously, look at the prominent receivers in 2001, then 2004, then 2007, then 2010, and now 2014...for Manning it's basically been two sets of receivers, Brady's weapons--and the offense he's running--has changed up every time). The game conditions matter, playing in Foxboro vs. a dome is a massive difference and Brady has absolutely ANNIHILATED teams in domes, is there any question he'd be a monster if his home stadium were a dome?

People are lazy, so they look at the TD's and yards Manning's thrown for. But when you really break down the variables Brady's been the better QB, period, without even getting into the postseason argument that Brady wins by a landslide.

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you just said the same thing as me regarding adversity , only the longer version . don't forget pores o line etc

I think watching Wes with Manning and Brady shows why TB is better. TB is much more patient, he lets plays develop and put the ball where our WR can make a play