Would you trade Garoppolo to the Cowboys?

Snake Eyes said:

Dude, are you serious? Grop has thrown the ball just fine so far, what are you making this determination on?

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He has trouble making throws down the field and getting velocity on the football. Both of these things were evident in the final preseason game. He does not have a big arm, he has an adequate NFL arm.

Brady6 said:

You know I cannot stand when posters take a regular discussion and become emotionally involved in it and start using phrases like "your boy" and **** like that. It just shows a lack of rationality and show immaturity, so if that is the approach you are going to take don't quote my posts. .

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Just yesterday you said, and I quote "HAHA you sound like a 13 year old girl right now who is mad that I said something bad about Justin Bieber."

Marinlik said:

Just yesterday you said, and I quote "HAHA you sound like a 13 year old girl right now who is mad that I said something bad about Justin Bieber."

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What is your point? That is what you sounded like, completely irrelevant to this post.

Brady6 said:

What is your point? That is what you sounded like, completely irrelevant to this post.

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That you sound exactly like the posts you complain about.

Lots of people here in this thread have given good counters to your arguments, which you completely ignore or you just move the goal post to "win" the arguement. You said that all scouting reports said that he was short and didn't have a very good arm. Then a person showed lots of scouting reports that contradicted that and said that it's not a big problem. We also showed that he isn't as short as you make him out to be and that there are successful QBs shorter than him, and several QBs that are the same size as him.

Then you go around and name calling posters here and brag about how incredibly rational and smart you are. Daring me to prove to you that I'm worthy enough of discussing football with you. I just don't think your behavior in this thread is as nice as you think it is. Or that you are as rational and logical as you say you are.

Marinlik said:

That you sound exactly like the posts you complain about.

Lots of people here in this thread have given good counters to your arguments, which you completely ignore or you just move the goal post to "win" the arguement. You said that all scouting reports said that he was short and didn't have a very good arm. Then a person showed lots of scouting reports that contradicted that and said that it's not a big problem. We also showed that he isn't as short as you make him out to be and that there are successful QBs shorter than him, and several QBs that are the same size as him.

Then you go around and name calling posters here and brag about how incredibly rational and smart you are. Daring me to prove to you that I'm worthy enough of discussing football with you. I just don't think your behavior in this thread is as nice as you think it is. Or that you are as rational and logical as you say you are.

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I am just being honest if that is upsetting, sorry but it is what it is.

As far as points made, I am not ignoring them they are just built on hope and hope is not a strategy. If it was built on anything other than that I could jive with it but it is cut and dry, posters hope Garopollo is the next starter of the Patriots, and that he plays as well as he has in garbage time every week of the season start to finish. Outside of that everything is very questionable, could a QB drafted at the end of the second round turn into an elite QB? Sure, it could happen, but it seldom does. Could Belichick cut or trade Brady? Sure, he could but it is extremely unlikely. Could Brady’s play fall off a cliff in the next 3 seasons? Sure, it could, but it is not likely too. Could the Patriots resign Garopollo in the 2018 offseason despite him never starting a game in the NFL? Sure, it could happen, once again very questionable.

Everything posted “could” happen, but realistically it is all questionable, and certainly not something, that should be assumed. With that considered if someone was willing to give you Zach Martin a player that “is”, and under contract when he will be of value to the team, you would be foolish not to pounce on it, when the alternative is basically one big question mark.

For what it is worth, I think you are a very good poster, who is extremely knowledgeable, I just do not like when you stray from a discussion and start making it about love and hate, when it is simply logistics.

Brady6 said:

He has trouble making throws down the field and getting velocity on the football. Both of these things were evident in the final preseason game. He does not have a big arm, he has an adequate NFL arm.

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Ok, which throws show a lack of an arm?

im not worried about his arm or his height......i think they are more than adequate

his lack of speed, combined with his small hands, gives me pause

he ran a 4.94.......brees ran a 4.83.......he's only "mobile" in comparison to Brady and Manning

i like his confidence........and his decision making/accuracy seem to be good.......we will see how they progress

just my opinion

james87654 said:

he ran a 4.94.......brees ran a 4.83.......he's only "mobile" in comparison to Brady and Manning

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As near as I can tell, Belichick does not want a "mobile" QB in the sense of RGIII. He's on record as saying he's concerned that mobile QBs are too vulnerable to injury.

ctpatsfan77 said:

As near as I can tell, Belichick does not want a "mobile" QB in the sense of RGIII. He's on record as saying he's concerned that mobile QBs are too vulnerable to injury.

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fair enough.....good point

Marinlik said:

That you sound exactly like the posts you complain about.

Lots of people here in this thread have given good counters to your arguments, which you completely ignore or you just move the goal post to "win" the arguement. You said that all scouting reports said that he was short and didn't have a very good arm. Then a person showed lots of scouting reports that contradicted that and said that it's not a big problem. We also showed that he isn't as short as you make him out to be and that there are successful QBs shorter than him, and several QBs that are the same size as him.

Then you go around and name calling posters here and brag about how incredibly rational and smart you are. Daring me to prove to you that I'm worthy enough of discussing football with you. I just don't think your behavior in this thread is as nice as you think it is. Or that you are as rational and logical as you say you are.

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As much as I admire your efforts, this mess is precisely what "ignore thread" was created for. Please forgive my lack of stamina.

Brady6 said:

You know I cannot stand when posters take a regular discussion and become emotionally involved in it and start using phrases like "your boy" and **** like that. It just shows a lack of rationality and show immaturity, so if that is the approach you are going to take don't quote my posts. If you are going to quote my posts act your age and stop becoming an emotional train wreck because you do not like what I'm saying.

I watch every game and his college tape. Listen you are not an insightful football fan so everything you say is unsupported and based on an opinion, everything I say is based on data and extensive tape. The reality is the likelihood that my position on Garopollo transpiring is about 98% and the likelihood that your position transpires is at best 2%. You can keep talking in circles but you are still going to have at best a 2% chance at being right. Good luck with that.

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But I'm the one who is emotional. Oookaaaay.

Snake Eyes said:

Ok, which throws show a lack of an arm?

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Focus on the Giants game and how many passes either came short of the receiver, were knocked away due to lack of velocity on the ball, or the WR had to come back to the ball to make the catch.

Overall though he is definitely promising and this tape shows that. I never said he sucks I said I would trade him for a rookie OL who is already consider by most to be an all pro. I would do it mainly because of the logistics of his contract.

Brady6 said:

Focus on the Giants game and how many passes either came short of the receiver, were knocked away due to lack of velocity on the ball, or the WR had to come back to the ball to make the catch.

Overall though he is definitely promising and this tape shows that. I never said he sucks I said I would trade him for a rookie OL who is already consider by most to be an all pro. I would do it mainly because of the logistics of his contract.

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I watched the all passes from the Giants a few times and I counted 3-3.5 passes that were low, and on the .5 it can be argued that where he placed it protected the receiver. Anyway, there were several passes that were forward or high to the receiver, why don't you think those are evidence of excessive arm strength?

Even guys with monster arms like Matt Stafford make the occasional shallow pass, it doesn't mean that he lacks arm strength, it just means that is was a bad pass, it happens.

Anyway, it seems to me that you're trying to downplay Grop's skills in order to justify your desire to trade him for Zach Martin, which I think are two completely separate issues. I think Grop is a very intriguing raw talent and I'm very fond of him but I'd still trade him for Zach Martin in a heartbeat for one simple reason: a Lombardi in the hand is worth a dozen in potential.

Kraft likely doesn't share my opinion, he wants always wants a QB who is sufficient to keep the team competitive so the team can continue to charge a lot and still sell out, as a fan I don't care about that, I want Lombardis, which is why I want Martin.

Snake Eyes said:

I watched the all passes from the Giants a few times and I counted 3-3.5 passes that were low, and on the .5 it can be argued that where he placed it protected the receiver. Anyway, there were several passes that were forward or high to the receiver, why don't you think those are evidence of excessive arm strength?

Even guys with monster arms like Matt Stafford make the occasional shallow pass, it doesn't mean that he lacks arm strength, it just means that is was a bad pass, it happens.

Anyway, it seems to me that you're trying to downplay Grop's skills in order to justify your desire to trade him for Zach Martin, which I think are two completely separate issues. I think Grop is a very intriguing raw talent and I'm very fond of him but I'd still trade him for Zach Martin in a heartbeat for one simple reason: a Lombardi in the hand is worth a dozen in potential.

Kraft likely doesn't share my opinion, he wants always wants a QB who is sufficient to keep the team competitive so the team can continue to charge a lot and still sell out, as a fan I don't care about that, I want Lombardis, which is why I want Martin.

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I'm not trying to down play anything no doubt Garopollo is an intriguing prospect. I think it is quite the opposite however where posters are exaggerating his skill set. He does not have a big arm, he has an adequate arm by NFL standards, it will never be confused for Aaron Rodgers arm.

Let me ask you and the rest of the Garopollo supporters a question. If the 2014 NFL draft was redrafted do you think Garopollo would be taken with the 17th overall pick or higher?

Brady6 said:

I'm not trying to down play anything no doubt Garopollo is an intriguing prospect. I think it is quite the opposite however where posters are exaggerating his skill set. He does not have a big arm, he has an adequate arm by NFL standards, it will never be confused for Aaron Rodgers arm.

Let me ask you and the rest of the Garopollo supporters a question. If the 2014 NFL draft was redrafted do you think Garopollo would be taken with the 17th overall pick or higher?

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Based on how's he looked so far, he would be taken ahead of most of the guys that went in front of him. I'm not sure what the 17th pick has to do with anything, since no one was taken at that spot. I think he would be taken ahead of Bortles, Manziel, Carr. .Possibly not Bridgewater, although he hasn't exactly set the world on fire either.

rochrist said:

Based on how's he looked so far, he would be taken ahead of most of the guys that went in front of him. I'm not sure what the 17th pick has to do with anything, since no one was taken at that spot. I think he would be taken ahead of Bortles, Manziel, Carr. .Possibly not Bridgewater, although he hasn't exactly set the world on fire either.

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So you think he would have been the #2 overall pick?

Brady6 said:

So you think he would have been the #2 overall pick?

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Ok, not #2. But that's only because taking Bortles #3 was really stupid. I think he absolutely would be taken ahead of Manziel. Remember also, I'm basing this on what teams know now, not what they knew then.

rochrist said:

Ok, not #2. But that's only because taking Bortles #3 was really stupid. I think he absolutely would be taken ahead of Manziel. Remember also, I'm basing this on what teams know now, not what they knew then.

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My point is this - if you redrafted the 2014 draft Zach Martin would be a top 10 pick in all likelihood.

Brady6 said:

My point is this - if you redrafted the 2014 draft Zach Martin would be a top 10 pick in all likelihood.

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That's why Iiked him for the Pats, before he was drafted out of reach. Taking a QB, and then much more significant, seeing him in an NFL environment, changes the value of the small school QB selection. QB candidates who appear like they can play, are worth much, much, more than Probowl Guards.

The Pats will likely draft another OL or two in the next Draft, and they have absorbed about all the change and injuries, that can reasonably be accepted in one season, and still Win.

Besides Trading season is over; and the Cowboys have never even hinted that they wanted Polo.