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That's the thing about this ****. These guys are like talking dolls. Every year the string gets pulled and they say the same ****. I wish someone would make a montage of Peyton ball washing to demonstrate that the talking heads say this garbage every single season.

It's not analysis. It's straight up fandom.

That's the comment of a hopeful fan.

This would be a beautiful year for another narrative-shattering one and done.
This is exactly why I don't pay attention to sports media, especially not the talking heads on TV. They aren't trying to report on sports. They are trying to advance specific storylines. They do the same thing in other sports. For example, pretty much every one of these so-called 'experts' parrot the same line about the Celtics. They suck, Rondo is getting traded, they need to tank, blah blah blah. It's a huge waste of time. I'll stick to watching the games and coming to my own conclusions, thank you very much.
 
Yes .But this is where our issue vs the run this year and their's being strong rush defense comes into play. We dont want another jet game like 38 min TOP for denver running the ball because of the wind.

Paraphrasing BB has himself said, 'Every handoff to Hillman is one less Manning pass to defend.' Moreno was a much bigger threat, and the Pats invited Manning to let him run, to the tune of 200 yards.

They still beat the Broncos.

Hillman is a tiny HB, 10-15 lighter than even Vereen. He is, as usual, being over hyped by the Mediots. It's another example of the declining Broncos from their peak last year, IMHO.
 
It may not stop him from throwing...but a 77 rating when it's windy out is pretty telling that if the weather is bad...manning is very beatable and has a hard time

Manning lost his Fireball with his neck injury and declining athleticism from his age. Floaters are OK in non windy conditions, but will disturb him more in inclement weather and especially windy conditions.
 
I don't think the weather is going to be a factor for either QB and regardless it won't stop manning from throwing,

If the Pats give way to the Denver run game they won't win this

Neither of these points stand up to the light of scrutiny. Bill Belichick has a game plan in the hall-of-fame that specifically granted the run as a means of slowing down an elite passing offense, and he's used that tact on Manning successfully numerous times. I can think of two examples off the top of my head where Manning's teams ran for over 200 yards and lost.

As for the weather, it is well documented that Peyton is far more impacted by outdoor elements than Brady is.
 
I don't think they can. If they concede the run...Manning will feast on play action

If your first read is pass then PA has no effect, no matter how successful the other team is running the ball.
 
Well, I dont mind as long as they give the other perspective. No one talks how pats can win the game since they are technically the underdog.
If broncos win, they are superior. If pats win, it was homefield, cold, broncos mistakes blah blah.
You forgot "last year the Broncos lost in the regular season and we all remember how that turned out in the playoffs".
 
Mike Greenberg the Jets fan is wearing a Brady jersey and Pats hat, he looks so stupid.
 
Was pretty cold...but no weather. When was the last time you saw a snow game or rain game in Denver. I really can't think of one.

I cant either, Just my opinion but when it was as cold as it was (13 degrees at kickoff) I consider that inclement weather.
 
As for the weather, it is well documented that Peyton is far more impacted by outdoor elements than Brady is.

We can disagree that fine, I certainly dont think it will be a factor. Bill doesn't either. Anyway thats why we get to disagree :)
 
Paraphrasing BB has himself said, 'Every handoff to Hillman is one less Manning pass to defend.' Moreno was a much bigger threat, and the Pats invited Manning to let him run, to the tune of 200 yards.

They still beat the Broncos.

Hillman is a tiny HB, 10-15 lighter than even Vereen. He is, as usual, being over hyped by the Mediots. It's another example of the declining Broncos from their peak last year, IMHO.

I'm not as sure that DEN (or NE, for that matter) have "declined" from last year.

DEN's defense is worlds better in just about every statistic imaginable, and NE has improved in certain areas as well.

I saw a bit on NFL Network today where a couple/few people were talking about how both teams were better than 2013, and I tend to agree with them. Just because Manning isn't putting up record numbers doesn't necessarily mean that they are "declining."

Just the fact that they were tied with SEA in Century Link Field (as opposed to the neutral site of the SB) at the end of regulation, versus their 43-8 debacle last year alone backs my statement up tenfold. Offensive stats don't mean anything, as we've seen many times in the past. It's the balance of the TEAM itself, and thus far I've yet to see anything that suggests to me that they've regressed or declined.
 
Mike Greenberg the Jets fan is wearing a Brady jersey and Pats hat, he looks so stupid.

Those 2 idiots are ridiculous. It was fun to see BB tease them by calling them "morons."
 
I'm not as sure that DEN (or NE, for that matter) have "declined" from last year.

DEN's defense is worlds better in just about every statistic imaginable, and NE has improved in certain areas as well.

I saw a bit on NFL Network today where a couple/few people were talking about how both teams were better than 2013, and I tend to agree with them. Just because Manning isn't putting up record numbers doesn't necessarily mean that they are "declining."

Just the fact that they were tied with SEA in Century Link Field (as opposed to the neutral site of the SB) at the end of regulation, versus their 43-8 debacle last year alone backs my statement up tenfold. Offensive stats don't mean anything, as we've seen many times in the past. It's the balance of the TEAM itself, and thus far I've yet to see anything that suggests to me that they've regressed or declined.

Supafly,

I beg to differ. The Broncos are NOT scoring at the rate they did last season. Hillmam at 5-9 190 lb is not the franchise back Moreno was at 220#. Sanders at 5-11 is not a Near #1 WR receiver, that Eric Decker was at 6-3 215. Welker bless his heart, is another year older and less quick than he was. Even Peyton arm is less robust than before.

Their DL defense is improved with the return of Miller and the acquisition of Ware. But their LBs are weaker without Trevanthan. I don't care what anyone says. Chris Blair is a smurf DB, and nowhere near Champ Bailey even in his dotage. Talib is an upgrade 'till he gets his annual ding. Robey is a raw rookie. Period.

The Broncos simply ARE NOT what they used to be.
 
Supafly,

I beg to differ. The Broncos are NOT scoring at the rate they did last season. Hillmam at 5-9 190 lb is not the franchise back Moreno was at 220#. Sanders at 5-11 is not a Near #1 WR receiver, that Eric Decker was at 6-3 215. Welker bless his heart, is another year older and less quick than he was. Even Peyton arm is less robust than before.

Their DL defense is improved with the return of Miller and the acquisition of Ware. But their LBs are weaker without Trevanthan. I don't care what anyone says. Chris Blair is a smurf DB, and nowhere near Champ Bailey even in his dotage. Talib is an upgrade 'till he gets his annual ding. Robey is a raw rookie. Period.

The Broncos simply ARE NOT what they used to be.

I agree!

Call me crazy but I feel great about this game. I've been watching Patriot football awhile now and just about every single time Peyton comes to town, we kick the **** out of him. Expecting more of the same Sunday!
 
Key will be Vereen...he needs to have a big day and run the ball well to keep their D honest.
 
Supafly,

I beg to differ. The Broncos are NOT scoring at the rate they did last season. Hillmam at 5-9 190 lb is not the franchise back Moreno was at 220#. Sanders at 5-11 is not a Near #1 WR receiver, that Eric Decker was at 6-3 215. Welker bless his heart, is another year older and less quick than he was. Even Peyton arm is less robust than before.

Their DL defense is improved with the return of Miller and the acquisition of Ware. But their LBs are weaker without Trevanthan. I don't care what anyone says. Chris Blair is a smurf DB, and nowhere near Champ Bailey even in his dotage. Talib is an upgrade 'till he gets his annual ding. Robey is a raw rookie. Period.

The Broncos simply ARE NOT what they used to be.

To each his own, my friend. You aren't the board's #1 homer for nothing! While I consider myself about 75% homer, I do prefer to try and keep an open mind.

1) Moreno was hardly a "franchise back" last year or any year. How was he before 2013? How about after? That's almost funny to hear you say that. He had a good year last year as any RB would in that offense, but c'mon....Knowshown Moreno as a "franchise back?" He was seriously lucky not to have been cut prior to last year, and was the sole reason why they spent a 2nd round pick on Montae Ball.

2) The comment that "Eric Decker was a #1 wide receiver" is hilarious....do you even believe what you type sometimes? Obviously, Demarius Thomas is and has been their #1 WR and is clearly one of the best WRs in the entire game. They haven't even come close to losing any "#1" wide receivers. They lost Eric Decker and replaced him with Emmanuel Sanders. That's IT. Some believe that move has even allowed them to improve, so you've got nothing in this area.

3) Denver is in the top 5 of many defensive categories, so to hear you say that the loss of Travethan has set them back is odd to me. He had a good start to his career as a coverage LB, but I think they're managing just fine without him. They've added to their LB corps with DeMarcus Ware for crying out loud, who along with Von Miller have 16 sacks among them! I would imagine that the Denver fanbase could easily say the same thing about us by pointing to the loss of Jerod Mayo or Chandler Jones (both who are much better than Travathan).

4) I have no idea who "Chris Blair" is, so I cannot comment on that one. As a whole the DEN secondary has held up pretty well, and has actually improved since last year. I don't know how this would be considered a step back for them? They added TJ Ward and Aqib Talib, so I don't imagine that anyone's going to be crying any tears for their so-called demise. 1st round pick Roby is raw like any other first year CB is, but the addition of him doesn't make them go backwards.
 
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I agree!

Call me crazy but I feel great about this game. I've been watching Patriot football awhile now and just about every single time Peyton comes to town, we kick the **** out of him. Expecting more of the same Sunday!

I picked us to beat Denver as well, but what does that have to do with whether or not Denver has "gone backwards" or not?

The argument is that they are a more complete team now with the addition of a top 5 defense, despite the fact that Manning isn't setting records on offense.

You're mixing up 2 very different subjects.
 
I picked us to beat Denver as well, but what does that have to do with whether or not Denver has "gone backwards" or not?

The argument is that they are a more complete team now with the addition of a top 5 defense, despite the fact that Manning isn't setting records on offense.

You're mixing up 2 very different subjects.

We'll see. They've only played two road games. They're going to spend the rest of the season on an airplane and in a hotel room. I guess we'll see how they hold up. They look to be generally improved, but time will tell if they are. Teams have looked good before and fallen to complete pieces in the second half of the season. Yes, they have an easier schedule coming up on paper, but I'm not expecting them to finish 15-1. I'm not even expecting them to finish 14-2. 13-3 sounds about right. Maybe 12-4. They have us, KC and San Diego on the road and I could see the Bills or Cinci being a potential trap.

When you're 6-1 with five home games already under your belt, and your bye week spent after week #3, it's easy to look like something that you're not.

Denver's defense is better than it was, but so what? The Patriots have taken much better defenses than Denver's and broke them over their knee in prime time television. Improved or not, I don't think they can stop us.

Meanwhile, our defense is much improved as well, tailor crafted by the hoodie to give Fivehead nightmares, and with Browner just coming in, it's only going to get better.

Even with Denver's abundance of offensive talent, I think we'll move the ball with greater ease against them than Peyton will against us.
 
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