Would you trade Garoppolo to the Cowboys?

But the tea leaves read that way. BB has made only two "unusual" roster moves concerning QBs that I can remember. #1 Keeping TB on the roster as a 4th QB. #2 Handing a rookie the only backup spot on a contending team no less. Especially when in as much of a win now mode as I have ever seen NE and BB. Eg. So obviously BB sees something with JG.

supafly said:

Like Dallas would even remotely consider trading Dez Bryant

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Remember how Jerry thinks: I discovered, I drafted....(broken record special effect)I I I I I Dez Bryant.

Another one of those: "Hey look what I did" picks - Jerry is just not giving him up.

Brady6 said:

At this juncture it is dreaming to think Garopollo is a franchise QB as well.

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But you still want to trade 4 or so first round picks to move up and take Hackenberg, instead of keeping Garoppolo on the team for his rookie contract, so he can learn the system and learn from Brady how to run it, and if we like him we can sign him to a new contract after rookie contract. A QB that has actually played some snaps in the NFL, and who has showed some promise when playing.

It really wouldn't be cheaper to trade up for Hackenberg. Because it would cost so many first round picks. So instead of selecting other players for those picks you would have to get them in free agency.

Brady6 said:

I think people overlook the bad times the 49ers had after Young retired in large part due to Young's short tenure as their QB because of his age.

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No offense, but if we get anything close to Steve Young's career out of Jimmy G, I will be thrilled. Even if it's a short HOF run, I will gladly take it, and so should you.

pdangle said:

But the tea leaves read that way. BB has made only two "unusual" roster moves concerning QBs that I can remember. #1 Keeping TB on the roster as a 4th QB. #2 Handing a rookie the only backup spot on a contending team no less. Especially when in as much of a win now mode as I have ever seen NE and BB. Eg. So obviously BB sees something with JG.

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Hoyer was a rookie UDFA and the lone backup on the 2009 team, with Brady coming back from injury nonetheless.

Still, I think BB really likes JG, and so do I. Finding a franchise QB is the most difficult thing to do for an organization so trading a potential one away for a guard or a draft pick sounds crazy to me. I'm not saying JG is a lock for anything, just that the position is the most important one on the field by far, and if you think you may have one, you can't just give one away and expect to find another next draft. People forget there was a time teams were contemplating throwing games to get Geno Smith.

It's significantly more difficult to find a franchise QB than a franchise guard. Some teams have spent decades looking for the next one, like the Bills after Jim Kelly, the Dolphins after Marino, and the Jets after umm...Joe Namath???

Marinlik said:

But you still want to trade 4 or so first round picks to move up and take Hackenberg, instead of keeping Garoppolo on the team for his rookie contract, so he can learn the system and learn from Brady how to run it, and if we like him we can sign him to a new contract after rookie contract. A QB that has actually played some snaps in the NFL, and who has showed some promise when playing.

It really wouldn't be cheaper to trade up for Hackenberg. Because it would cost so many first round picks. So instead of selecting other players for those picks you would have to get them in free agency.

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I was a big fan of Garopollo coming into the draft I only had Bortles and Carr ahead of him on my board. That said it was a poor QB class overall and I project Garopollo to be a solid starting caliber NFL QB. I do not think he has the size or arm strength to be an elite QB. Hackenberg is the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck in my opinion. I would not trade 4 first round picks for him and never said I would but I would trade 2. I am not ruling out Garopollo I just view as I did Mallett currently, a backup QB who could be a future trade asset. His contract makes it difficult to label him the heir apparent because currently he is not even signed when a heir apparent is needed.

Brady6 said:

I was a big fan of Garopollo coming into the draft I only had Bortles and Carr ahead of him on my board. That said it was a poor QB class overall and I project Garopollo to be a solid starting caliber NFL QB. I do not think he has the size or arm strength to be an elite QB. Hackenberg is the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck in my opinion. I would not trade 4 first round picks for him and never said I would but I would trade 2. I am not ruling out Garopollo I just view as I did Mallett currently, a backup QB who could be a future trade asset. His contract makes it difficult to label him the heir apparent because currently he is not even signed when a heir apparent is needed.

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Well that's the problem. Your plan is for us to draft Hackenberg, the best QB prospect since Luck. 2 first round picks wouldn't even get us close to him. It would take much, much more than that to move up to the first couple of picks in the draft.

Brady6 said:

I just view as I did Mallett currently, a backup QB who could be a future trade asset.

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We know you do, but the reasons why you do are mostly flawed, as has been demonstrated numerous times in this thread.

Brady6 said:

Hackenberg is the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck in my opinion. I would not trade 4 first round picks for him and never said I would but I would trade 2.

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I don't think you can reconcile those two sentences. Here's what a top QB prospect costs in draft capital, per the most recent such trade (for Robert Griffin III, who wasn't even the top QB in his draft):

3 firsts and a second, including that year's #6 overall pick. Total draft-value-chart points: 3,380.

That's a good FIVE times the value of a typical Patriots 1st-round pick. And consider how many teams with greater draft ammo would be targeting the same player.

Brady6 said:

At this juncture it is dreaming to think Garopollo is a franchise QB as well.

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More evidence in favor of him than your boy Hackenberg.

Here is a interesting question would you Trade Tom for the overall number 1 pick to draft Hackenberg.
Honestly it would have to be considered if Josh thinks Hackenberg is a elite QB in the Rodgers, Luck mold.
Predicting the number 1 pick In the draft will go to Tennessee they have just fallen apart and I expect the Raiders to win a handful as will the NYJ.
So Brady for The number 1 pick and say Justin Hunter do you make that deal?
I live for these hypotheticals.

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We know you do, but the reasons why you do are mostly flawed, as has been demonstrated numerous times in this thread.

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Not really you've shown nothing to suggest the team views Garopollo any differently then they viewed Mallett. Mallett was taken #74 overall 3 years ago, and Garopollo was taken #62 overall. What has transpired to indicate that the plan for Garopollo is any different then the plan was for Mallett?

Marinlik said:

Well that's the problem. Your plan is for us to draft Hackenberg, the best QB prospect since Luck. 2 first round picks wouldn't even get us close to him. It would take much, much more than that to move up to the first couple of picks in the draft.

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It depends on the first round pick you get for Garopollo. If he nets a top 10 pick it is not out of the realm of possible. I mean this is the QB you have advocated for to replace arguably the greatest QB in the history of the NFL but yet you do not think we can get a high draft pick for him. Those 2 don't align very well if Garopollo is the heir apparent to Tom Brady teams should be lining up to give the Patriots a top 10 draft pick.

ChrisR2223 said:

Here is a interesting question would you Trade Tom for the overall number 1 pick to draft Hackenberg.
Honestly it would have to be considered if Josh thinks Hackenberg is a elite QB in the Rodgers, Luck mold.
Predicting the number 1 pick In the draft will go to Tennessee they have just fallen apart and I expect the Raiders to win a handful as will the NYJ.
So Brady for The number 1 pick and say Justin Hunter do you make that deal?
I live for these hypotheticals.

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No to the trade. Brady is a once in a lifetime player. He has always put team first. His value extends beyond trade value. He brings the whole team in line and accountable that no one (including Peyton) can. He handles the media, winning and losing as well as anyone in the history of sports. He is the true underdog and his competitiveness bleeds through the organization. Everyone else in this organization is better because of Brady. As long as Brady is Brady, he belongs in this organization.

Brady6 said:

Not really you've shown nothing to suggest the team views Garopollo any differently then they viewed Mallett. Mallett was taken #74 overall 3 years ago, and Garopollo was taken #62 overall. What has transpired to indicate that the plan for Garopollo is any different then the plan was for Mallett?

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Read through the thread a few more times and get back to me.

rochrist said:

More evidence in favor of him than your boy Hackenberg.

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Not even close. You should watch some tape on Hackenberg before you make those type of blind assertions. Outside of Brady who was an anomaly who is an elite QB that was taken in with pick #62 or later? The odds of Garopollo achieving what you and others suggest he will are in the 1-2% at best. You can argue that I am wrong all day if you want but at the end of the day my position has a 98-99% chance of transpiring. You are pitch a hope and hope is not a strategy, you want to catch lighting in a bottle back to back. Very unlikely and that's putting it nicely.

Oswlek said:

Read through the thread a few more times and get back to me.

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You cannot answer the question? Nothing in this thread has shown anything to suggest Garopollo is viewed differently by the team then Mallett. This thread is filled with blind hope by posters who want Garopollo to be the next great QB but they have nothing to add merit to it. Maybe Garopollo will be but right now nothing has been said or done to validate that belief.

Brady6 said:

Not really you've shown nothing to suggest the team views Garopollo any differently then they viewed Mallett. Mallett was taken #74 overall 3 years ago, and Garopollo was taken #62 overall. What has transpired to indicate that the plan for Garopollo is any different then the plan was for Mallett?

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Here's one clue. In three years, Mallet got to throw a grand total of 4 passes in regular season games. In one half of a season, JAG has already thrown 10. In other words, BB did not put Mallet into games, blowout or not. He's making a point of getting JAG into games where he can.

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Not even close. You should watch some tape on Hackenberg before you make those type of blind assertions. Outside of Brady who was an anomaly who is an elite QB that was taken in with pick #62 or later? The odds of Garopollo achieving what you and others suggest he will are in the 1-2% at best. You can argue that I am wrong all day if you want but at the end of the day my position has a 98-99% chance of transpiring. You are pitch a hope and hope is not a strategy, you want to catch lighting in a bottle back to back. Very unlikely and that's putting it nicely.

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Well, let's see. Joe Montana 3rd round.
Brett Favre, 2d round.
Drew Brees 2d round.
Tony Romo UDFA.
Russel Wilson 3rd round

Brady6 said:

You cannot answer the question? Nothing in this thread has shown anything to suggest Garopollo is viewed differently by the team then Mallett. This thread is filled with blind hope by posters who want Garopollo to be the next great QB but they have nothing to add merit to it. Maybe Garopollo will be but right now nothing has been said or done to validate that belief.

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The team has given Garoppolo more playing time so far than Mallett ever got. That should tell you something.

You should also note that First overall QBs has much lower success rate than you seem to believe. You really put way to much weight on where a player was picked in a draft. There is often a couple of players that goes much later then they should have. So far, with his actual play in the NFL, Garoppolo has made the case that he should have gone higher. He has looked like a QB that has potential to be good in the NFL.

You also continue with your theory that I say that he will replace Brady when Brady performs at the level of best QB of all time. I've never said that. I've said that it is unlikely that Brady will be at that level in 4 years. Just because someone replaces Brady does not mean that they have to be better than Prime Brady. Just like when the Vikings replaced Brett Favre they did not replace the prime Brett Favre. They replaced the declined Brett Favre.

Brett Favre is also a player you should look at for example of age. He had played 321 total games in a row when he started missing games his last season and performed sub par.

Brady and Favre are very different QBs. But it's an example of why "he never misses games" isn't a viable excuse when you go up in age.

Patriots fans are the only people I talk to who have an obsession with Christian Hackenberg. He really isn't anything special.