Patriots vs Broncos Week

josh24 · Oct 29, 2014

Haley said:
Did you happen to catch the beginning of last years Super Bowl?

No need to go that far. Peyton fumbled the snap on TNF vs SD, as he went on fetal position after regaining the ball.

Gronkowski123 · Oct 29, 2014

if we lose, forget about the number 1 seed. this is a huge game.
broncos would be up by 2 games with the tie breaker. even if we win, the number 1 seed is unlikely as we'll have to run the table. not gonna happen. denver gets all of the breaks.

GOPATS

Brady_to_Moss · Oct 29, 2014

Gronkowski123 said:
if we lose, forget about the number 1 seed. this is a huge game.
broncos would be up by 2 games with the tie breaker. even if we win, the number 1 seed is unlikely as we'll have to run the table. not gonna happen. denver gets all of the breaks.

GOPATS

I think denver will get it regardless of the outcome as well..but if we win then beat the colts..we have a shot.

I think the Colts game could actually be bigger since that could be huge for the #2 team tie breaker to get a 1st round bye. Since i think it will be between them and the pats.

LightSkinSmurf · Oct 29, 2014

If we lose this game you can pretty much forget about home field in the playoffs. Must win if we want home field.

moejr · Oct 29, 2014

obgod3 said:
Never did I say anything close to that. So your telling me that the Pats are the better team, right now. I know they play the game for a reason . But thanks for at least humoring me in reading the article.

You know you might be better off on the Bronco's board seeings you love them so much.

AzPatsFan · Oct 29, 2014

breakin said:
I dont want to sound like im hedging here but Im not all that worried about this weeks game. Even with a win Broncos are likely favourites to get the #1 seed. Winning @Indy is more important as it gives up the inside track for the #2 seed and the bye.

Right now Broncos are the better team. They were a great team last season and just built on that and its showing. Im still 100% of the opinion that the Pats are still a work in progress. New OL, new Secondary, trying to work alot of skill players in at the same time. Pats arent just adding players to a smooth running machine, it seems like they had to tear it all up and start again even if there are some returning players.

Us Pats fans have a high ceiling for what this team can be. We thought it during the off-season and while the first 4 games put a dampner on things I think its clear to see that the last few games we have saw some flashes of what we thought this team was going to be.

I dont think they are there yet. Sunday is a big game so I would not be suprised if they found a way to put it all together for the game but i still think there is some growing pains to go through.

The encouraging thing from the past few weeks is that come the post-season I fully believe that they will be the team we all thought they would be, and win/lose/draw on Sunday i believe the team that the Pats can be can go into Denver in January and win.

I have been saying and thinking exactly that. Like two Ships passing in the Night. The Pats are building and getting better; and the Broncs started as better, but are wearing down.

Their scoring pace has lessened, no matter how the Mediots and the Broncos faithful deny it. Sanders is not Decker; Hillman is not Moreno; Harris is not Champ; Clady is not what he was pre-injury; and Manning continues to lose arm strength - and relying on experience grows harder and harder to make up for it.

I don't know if the ascending and descending trajectories have crossed yet, but I'm pretty sure they will sometime this season.

jmt57 · Oct 29, 2014

Five players were removed from Wednesday's Injury Report: Connolly (concussion), Stork (concussion), Collins (thigh), McCourty (rib) and Vereen (illness).

Connolly, Stork, Collins off injury report - espnBoston

Eight New England players remain on the injury report, though three of those did have full participation at practice: Hightower (knee), Browner (ankle) and Brady (ankle).

Four players with limited participation for the Patriots were Easley (knee), Ebner (finger), OL Fleming (finger) and Slater (shoulder). The 8th player of course was Chandler Jones, who did not participate.

For Denver, they had four players that did not participate in practice: RB Montee Ball (groin), LB Lamin Barrow (concussion), S Quinton Carter (hamstring) and G Louis Vasquez (illness).

Three Broncos were limited (RB Ronnie Hillman, shoulder; CB Omar Bolden (concussion) and LB Steven Johnson (ankle).

CB Chris Harris (knee), K Brandon McManus (groin) and RB Juwan Thompson (knee) were full participants in practice.

AzPatsFan · Oct 29, 2014

The Brandon Five said:

Exactly.

BelizePats · Oct 29, 2014

Belichick8384 said:
If its rainy, they have a lot of young players at receiving and though Ridley doesn't fumble as much as he did 2 years prior to this year he will still be having the ball in the rain. Not to mention the other running backs like Grey and White whom I haven't seen play in the elements really.

No way this guys is a Pats Fan. An uneducated troll for sure.

AzPatsFan · Oct 29, 2014

Belichick8384 said:
Well, let's see. I don't see a lot of good teams fumble snaps. Sure, they did it once against the Bears but doing that against the Broncos would be much different, even just once. It may change the game a lot. The Broncos defensive line is a LOT better than the likes of Chicago, New York, Buffalo, and Cincinnati. So I don't think its too far out of the question to worry a little bit about whether or not the O-line will do all that well, though I hope they do. Brady has been strip sacked a few imes this year against worse defenses.

I understand your position about the secondary so far, but they have yet to go up against someone like Peyton Manning. And I think if QBs like Kyle Orton can throw 20+ yd passes up on the defense, especially on 3rd and long, then how are they going to fare against Manning? I know no team has passed 40+ passes on the PATS, but look at the QBs they've been up against. They have yet to play against a calibur of QBs like Manning, Rodgers, Rivers, and Luck. I think a lot of you are speaking way too soon. Its good to be optimistic about the team, but I think there's a difference between being positive and being arrogant. I'm trying to be a little more realistic while I'm optimistic they can pull off a win vs a good team. That's all

Cinci has a better line than Denver. The Bill's line may easily be their equal. Even the lowly Jets and Miami lines are nothing to sneeze at.

The Pats have played half their road games. The Donks have 6 of 8 to go on the road. The Pats didn't luck out and play a team's third string QB; nor a team missing their starting CBs.

I think the Broncos strengths are somewhat artificially exagerated.

ausbacker · Oct 29, 2014

Brady_to_Moss said:
I think denver will get it regardless of the outcome as well..but if we win then beat the colts..we have a shot.

I think the Colts game could actually be bigger since that could be huge for the #2 team tie breaker to get a 1st round bye. Since i think it will be between them and the pats.

The Patriots team is better than everyone they will play for the rest of the season bar Denver (evenly matched with perhaps a slight advantage to Denver given their pass rushers). If the Patriots play to their capabilities, they should go close to winning out.

The above reason is why I was so frustrated with the early season struggles of the team. Most of their issues were self-inflicted and lead to losses.

skspikex2 · Oct 29, 2014

ausbacker · Oct 29, 2014

AzPatsFan said:
Cinci has a better line than Denver. The Bill's line may easily be their equal. Even the lowly Jets and Miami lines are nothing to sneeze at.

The Pats have played half their road games. The Donks have 6 of 8 to go on the road. The Pats didn't luck out and play a team's third string QB; nor a team missing their starting CBs.

I think the Broncos strengths are somewhat artificially exagerated.

Broncos starting DL: Wolfe - Williams - Knighton - Ware
Bengals starting DL: Dunlap - Peko - Atkins - Gilberry
Bills starting DL: Hughes - Dareus - Williams - Williams

Burflict and Miller cancel each other out as both, perhaps, are two of the finest at OLB and WLB. I'm not sure I agree that the Bengals DL is better than Denver's line. That said, looking at those lines, Buffalo may be the best of the lot and the Patriots OL handled it candidly.

Let's hope the performance of the Patriots OL continues to trend upward.

Efstratios · Oct 29, 2014

ausbacker said:
Broncos starting DL: Wolfe - Williams - Knighton - That said, looking at those lines, Buffalo may be the best of the lot and the Patriots OL handled it candidly.

Let's hope the performance of the Patriots OL continues to trend upward.

Denver's D-line looks really tough and they are likely going to cause a fair share of problems for this line, but the way some people talk about our line vs their line leads me to believe that they are conflating it out of proportion a teensy bit. Ware and Miller make that rush monstrous, but this pass rush is not an 86 Bears tier one. Furthermore, although New England's O line is still a question mark in my eyes, it is clear that it has progressed far from the line that we saw during the first 4 weeks. The fact that they were able to handle Buffalo's DL absent two of their starters (Stork and Connolly) does inspire some confidence in me....

I myself am much more concerned about our DL's ability to limit Manning from moving the ball. If our D-line steps up *which is a big if* and is able to get Manning to played scared, then less pressure will be on the secondary to not allow mistakes.

SVN · Oct 29, 2014

http://www.patriots.com/news/articl...Patriots/ddfddc4c-4d36-47f6-b49c-068efc38349b

Q: A lot of people were saying that Tom Brady may have been over the hill earlier in the season. Can you give some perspective on what it's like to have people question your ability to get back to playing at an elite level, given your neck injury and what Tom Brady was going through the first few weeks of the season?

PM: It all depends on how much credit you give to quotes, sources, 'they,' 'people.' I've always wanted to meet 'they,' and I've always wanted to meet sources because they seem to say a lot. I'm not speaking for Tom, but my guess is he didn't give 'they' or those people a lot of credibility.

Brady_to_Moss · Oct 29, 2014

ausbacker said:
The Patriots team is better than everyone they will play for the rest of the season bar Denver (evenly matched with perhaps a slight advantage to Denver given their pass rushers). If the Patriots play to their capabilities, they should go close to winning out.

The above reason is why I was so frustrated with the early season struggles of the team. Most of their issues were self-inflicted and lead to losses.

Yes if they play to their capabilities they could win out no question..but they are going to have off games..and not play well every week..and with a lot of tougher road games coming up..there will be a dud here or there. Only question is can they overcome a dud and win the game..or lose a close one ect.

I don't see them winning out although it would be nice. The Jones injury and Mayo injury will have an effect on a game or two here coming up i think. If they can't fix the run D they will still have 5 or so losses this year. They fix it and we may only end up with 4 or so

They are very good after a bye so i can see them beating indy as their rushing attack doesn't scare me nor does their D. They will take a loss in GB or SD IMO..i just don't know which one and possibly this weekend.

I could actually see MIA getting to 9-10 wins this year with their easy schedule..but won't be enough to get in playoffs. Bills will fall apart as usual

Brady_to_Moss · Oct 29, 2014

My biggest concern about the denver game is giving manning time in the pocket. If he can't find anyone open right away..the D needs to make that pocket smaller even if they don't hit him...just make him think more. If he can't find someone and has 5-6 seconds..even the best Dbs will get worn down on the play and those WRs will get open

Oswlek · Oct 29, 2014

AzPatsFan said:
Cinci has a better line than Denver. The Bill's line may easily be their equal. Even the lowly Jets and Miami lines are nothing to sneeze at.

The Pats have played half their road games. The Donks have 6 of 8 to go on the road. The Pats didn't luck out and play a team's third string QB; nor a team missing their starting CBs.

I think the Broncos strengths are somewhat artificially exagerated.

I'm going to have to disagree with you, Az. Denver's DL is the best NE will have seen this year, with the possible exception of KC. Their DEs are 2nd and 5th in the league in sacks and they are 5th at defensive ypc (all of 0.1 lower than the four teams tied for first above them). Denver allows a lower defensive passer rating than the Patriots. They are second in the league in DVOA overall, third at both passing/rushing defense.

This a solid group, by far the most complete unit NE will have faced this year.

Brady_to_Moss · Oct 29, 2014

Oswlek said:
I'm going to have to disagree with you, Az. Denver's DL is the best NE will have seen this year, with the possible exception of KC. Their DEs are 2nd and 5th in the league in sacks and they are 5th at defensive ypc (all of 0.1 lower than the four teams tied for first above them). Denver allows a lower defensive passer rating than the Patriots. They are second on the league in DVOA overall, third at both passing/rushing defense.

This a solid group, by far the most complete unit NE will have faced this year.

Agree. This Denver front will be the best they have seen and may see all year.. if this OL can limit them to 1-2 sacks..i would consider that a win

SVN · Oct 29, 2014

Can't get in 3rd and 15 vs this team. We made critical 3rd and very long plays vs the Bills and Bears. Wont happen vs this team

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