Would you trade Garoppolo to the Cowboys?

Fixit · Oct 28, 2014

BobDigital said:
Who cares. Rodgers is 6'2 and Brees is 6'0 and Wilson is 5'10.

I agree. But kennyb said that Polo is "small."

patchick · Oct 28, 2014

BobDigital said:
Well that is not really he point here I think. If you want it could be changed to trading him to Chicago for Jeffrey or St Louis for a DE?

The point is what is his value at this point to the Patriots and would it should be to us.

IMO he has two separate values:
1. The sole backup QB on a playoff-bound team halfway into its season
2. The long-term promising young backup to a 37-year-old QB

Sacrificing #1 places this season at risk. Imagine the 2001-2 AFCCG without a real QB who knew the offense to sub in when Brady was injured. (No, I'm not saying Gropp = Bledsoe; just that Late-Season-Street-FA = Loss.)

Sacrificing #2 will require spending another high draft pick in 2015...AND getting lucky with that pick. A reality check list of some other recent round-2 QBs: Jimmy Clausen, Brian Brohm, Pat White, Geno Smith.

I don't think any half-season rent-a-player is worth all of that. An impact player with another year on his contract or a significant package of draft picks would be required.

BobDigital · Oct 28, 2014

Fixit said:
I agree. But kennyb said that Polo is "small."

Oh I know. I meant to quote him but I messed and was too lazy to edit it : P

mayoclinic · Oct 28, 2014

patchick said:
IMO he has two separate values:
1. The sole backup QB on a playoff-bound team halfway into its season
2. The long-term promising young backup to a 37-year-old QB

Sacrificing #1 places this season at risk. Imagine the 2001-2 AFCCG without a real QB who knew the offense to sub in when Brady was injured. (No, I'm not saying Gropp = Bledsoe; just that Late-Season-Street-FA = Loss.)

Sacrificing #2 will require spending another high draft pick in 2015...AND getting lucky with that pick. A reality check list of some other recent round-2 QBs: Jimmy Clausen, Brian Brohm, Pat White, Geno Smith.

I don't think any half-season rent-a-player is worth all of that. An impact player with another year on his contract or a significant package of draft picks would be required.

That's why I said the only option I would even consider would be Zach Martin. An impact interior lineman with 3 1/2 years left on his rookie deal at low cost would immediately upgrade the offense. But it would be a huge gamble in terms of #1 on your list. I don't think I'd do it, though I'd be tempted.

AzPatsFan · Oct 28, 2014

Brady6 said:
How has outplayed anyone? He has thrown 10 passes all in garbage time of blowouts. He has not passed any test because he has not had a test.

You are overhyping a player that you know very little about. He has a long way to go and many question marks unanswered. Zach Martin has actually passed the test with an A++ so I would make that trade in a minute without thinking twice. I think you and others forget Garopollo is not even signed through the season we are slated to need a QB to replace Brady.

The question is why do the Cowboys want Polo? Because it appears he can become a starting caliber QB.

While it is uncertain, still that is the most precious commodity in Football. I defended Ryan Mallett who I think will become a good QB when Draftnik fools wanted to trade him, so they could Draft some fantasy Palooka from East Cupcake. You only trade QBs when you have another good one. The Pats have a Brady at 37, not 27, so they will need one within half a decade.

More than 3 out of 4 franchises ache for a Franchise QB, and can't seem to get one, for Decades.

No Draft pick the Cowboys have, would serve to obviously replace him. The Colts could Suck for Luck and release an aging and injured Franchise QB like Manning. But the trades you are proposing remind me of Atlanta sending a near rookie Favre to Green Bay for a mess of magic beans. They rued the Day for 20 years.

TinhWoodhead · Oct 28, 2014

I'll trade him D. Murray

pwes · Oct 28, 2014

In 4 years time this thread may be bump worthy

Brady6 · Oct 28, 2014

Marinlik said:
Garoppolo has shown more promise than Mallett ever did. But of course this is impossible to discuss with you as you will never even entertain the thought that their will be a team after Brady.

To me Garoppolo has shown that he might become a good QB. That's worth a lot to me. I would never trade a potential franchise QB for a RB or OL when your current QB is 37 years old. We have seen how important good QB play is. Look at us, we have gone to the super bowl with an incredibly bad secondary in this passing league because Brady rocks. Meanwhile you have the Bills, Dolphins, and Jets. Three teams that have had some good players but have failed because their QB sucked.

If Brady was 25 then I would agree with you. But sadly he isn't. I know you will go with your classics like "He will never be as good as Brady". Of course he will most likely never match Bradys prime, few ever will. But Brady is closing on 40. That's a bit like 30 for running backs. Their play can worsen quickly. Then you will say how he was drafted in the second round and that franchise QBs are only drafted early in the first round, which is very ironic as you are a huge Brady fan. Then you will say how he is short, doesn't have the best arm and whatnot. To that I will say:

Again, this is not me saying that Garoppolo is future HOF QB or something like that. Just that he has shown enough for me to believe that he might be a good QB in the future and be a QB that we can with because of, not despite of. And to me that's worth way more than one 1st round pick when our current QB is 37.

After his early struggles Tom Brady has rebounded to a 104.7 QB rating and is on pace for 4100 yards, 36 touchdowns, and just 4 interceptions. Clearly even at 37 he is still a top 3 QB in the NFL, and I do not see any significant drop off, I see no reason why this cannot continue until his likely retirement after the 2017 season. Brady has only missed time in 2008; an injury that occurred on a cheap illegal hit, outside of that he has been an ironman. With that all considered between now and his contract expiring after the 2017 season, when do you expect Garopollo to start and prove that he is a franchise QB? You see Marinlik it is not that I do not consider life after Tom Brady; I cannot see the Patriots paying Garopollo starter money when he has not started a game, and I cannot see them forgoing the opportunity to have 3-4 years of their starting QB on a rookie contract. My reason for trading Garopollo is that my belief has always been that the best time to draft Brady’s heir apparent is the 2016 draft, and the QB I would target would be Christian Hackenberg, so I actually have a vision. It is to bring back significant value for Garopollo in the form of a first round draft pick, giving us 2 first round picks so we can position ourselves to be able to draft Hackenberg. I have no issue with Garopollo; I just would prefer that the next QB is not starting his first NFL game at age 28, because in 5-6 years he will need a replacement groomed behind him.

Brady6 · Oct 28, 2014

pwes said:
In 4 years time this thread may be bump worthy

In 4 years Jimmy Garopollo will be entering free agency.

pwes · Oct 28, 2014

Brady6 said:
In 4 years Jimmy Garopollo will be entering free agency.

May be

PATS16N0 · Oct 28, 2014

Houston for 2 1st rounders.

rochrist · Oct 28, 2014

Brady6 said:
After his early struggles Tom Brady has rebounded to a 104.7 QB rating and is on pace for 4100 yards, 36 touchdowns, and just 4 interceptions. Clearly even at 37 he is still a top 3 QB in the NFL, and I do not see any significant drop off, I see no reason why this cannot continue until his likely retirement after the 2017 season. Brady has only missed time in 2008; an injury that occurred on a cheap illegal hit, outside of that he has been an ironman. With that all considered between now and his contract expiring after the 2017 season, when do you expect Garopollo to start and prove that he is a franchise QB? You see Marinlik it is not that I do not consider life after Tom Brady; I cannot see the Patriots paying Garopollo starter money when he has not started a game, and I cannot see them forgoing the opportunity to have 3-4 years of their starting QB on a rookie contract. My reason for trading Garopollo is that my belief has always been that the best time to draft Brady’s heir apparent is the 2016 draft, and the QB I would target would be Christian Hackenberg, so I actually have a vision. It is to bring back significant value for Garopollo in the form of a first round draft pick, giving us 2 first round picks so we can position ourselves to be able to draft Hackenberg. I have no issue with Garopollo; I just would prefer that the next QB is not starting his first NFL game at age 28, because in 5-6 years he will need a replacement groomed behind him.

1) I trust Bill and staff to be able to see whether he's got something or not in JAG after that amount of time. After all, they did it with TB after only one year. He didn't have to 'play a real game' to prove anything to them.

2) You can be as blase as you like about imjuries, but the fact is, Brady has had little nagging injuries many times over the years, some of which have affected his play. Going forward, one of the effects of getting older are that those kind of things will linger longer and have more of an effect. Having a viable player who can step in and win a game or two if necessary is important.

3) I don't for a minute think TB will play another 5 years here.

Gronkowski123 · Oct 28, 2014

for zach martin/dez sure.

Deus Irae · Oct 28, 2014

Zee point, she is now mute, no?

supafly · Oct 28, 2014

AzPatsFan said:
The question is why do the Cowboys want Polo?

They don't.

It was an internet fan rumor made up by someone that didn't receive anything more than a passing glance outside of patsfans.com.

If it came down to it, I think Jones would have made a move for a veteran journeyman QB seeing as how they are 6-2. Breaking in a rookie isn't going to do you any good when you're battling for the #1 seed in the NFC (at least through the first half of the season).

AzPatsFan said:
I defended Ryan Mallett who I think will become a good QB when Draftnik fools wanted to trade him, so they could Draft some fantasy Palooka from East Cupcake.

Did you just manage to both praise and discredit Jimmy Garappolo in the same response?

kennyb · Oct 28, 2014

Jimmy bag of donuts. I'd trade him for that. Total waste of a pick.

AzPatsFan · Oct 28, 2014

supafly said:
They don't.

It was an internet fan rumor made up by someone that didn't receive anything more than a passing glance outside of patsfans.com.

If it came down to it, I think Jones would have made a move for a veteran journeyman QB seeing as how they are 6-2. Breaking in a rookie isn't going to do you any good when you're battling for the #1 seed in the NFC (at least through the first half of the season).

Did you just manage to both praise and discredit Jimmy Garappolo in the same response?

No the Draftnik fools would want to eliminate useless Backup QBs, and draft a Flavor of the day, like a stone hand WR who can run 4.4; or an OL that is only 275 Lbs; or a RB who is slow but makes up for it by being 380 Lbs.

TruthSeeker · Oct 28, 2014

Garoppolo is the real deal. He's gonna be a good one. I bet he makes a BIG year 2 jump next year. He's one year removed from FCS football, and already looks really good. Next year I expect he'll be very comfortable playing in the NFL. I think by the time Brady retires, Garoppolo will be a very good QB. I'm so impressed by the way he played in the NFL so far and how fast he's picked up this offense. The sky's the limit for this kid.

Brady6 · Oct 28, 2014

rochrist said:
1) I trust Bill and staff to be able to see whether he's got something or not in JAG after that amount of time. After all, they did it with TB after only one year. He didn't have to 'play a real game' to prove anything to them.

2) You can be as blase as you like about imjuries, but the fact is, Brady has had little nagging injuries many times over the years, some of which have affected his play. Going forward, one of the effects of getting older are that those kind of things will linger longer and have more of an effect. Having a viable player who can step in and win a game or two if necessary is important.

3) I don't for a minute think TB will play another 5 years here.

He does not need to play another 5 years here; Garopollo was a second round pick so his contract is 4 years, after this season he will be under contract for 3 more. It does not matter what the coaches see in Garopollo if he wants to walk in UFA he will walk in UFA and do you think the Patriots will overpay for him if he has never started a game? If he is as promising as you and some feel (not that I even disagree) what is to stop another team from offering him a huge contract, are you going to tag Jimmy Garopollo based on what he has done in practice, the preseason, and garbage time? Brady barring injury will play out his contract, Belichick is not going to push out the door, he is still a top 3 QB and the best option for Belichick to win a Super Bowl title, if Kurt Warner can play well in his 40s Tom Brady certainly can too.

The comparison to Bledsoe being replaced by Brady is so incomparable, Belichick replaced a QB he inherited that had gone 6-10 the previous season, and was 0-2 at the time of his injury. Tom Brady is Belichick’s QB that he drafted, and developed, a QB who has led him to 5 Super Bowls, won 3 of them and has the highest winning percentage of any QB in the NFL history with more than 100 starts. Right now with a pieced together OL, a recovering Gronkowski, a new LaFell, and with Ridley out for the season Brady has them at 6-2 with the 3rd ranked offense in the NFL. If you do mind me asking, how much do you think Brady can drop off between now and the end of the 2017 season?

Aaron Rodgers had a better first season as a starter than you or anyone else could dream of for Garopollo and he still went 6-10. Garopollo does not give this team a better chance to win between now and the end of 2017, and you do not have anything to suggest it is even in the realm of possible that he does. Promise is a great thing and Garopollo is promising, but so was Kirk Cousins, he had shown far more promise than Garopollo, then he got a chance to start and he ended up being benched. Belichick is not going to pay Garopollo based on promise, and he is smart enough to know that until you see the player start the game, you do not know how he will handle big moments. Most games Romo and Brady do a lot of things the same, but when the pressure is on and something needs to happen to win, Brady wins and Romo does not, we do not know if Garopollo is a Brady or a Romo and we will not know until he starts.

Brady_to_Moss · Oct 28, 2014

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