Patriots interested in Vincent Jackson

JMC00 said:

I just am completely baffled that there are people adamantly against bringing in Jackson if there isn't a worthwhile DL or LB out there.

So because BB can't find a DL or LB he isn't allowed to improve another area? An area that helps Brady, which helps the offense, which helps the defense a little bit.

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Yep. Adding VJax improves the team. Period.

LaFell and VJax on the outside. Edelman in the slot. Gronk/Wright as the TEs. Take out Wright and now you have Vereen.

Might not be enough balls to go around but thats hell on wheels right there...

obgod3 said:

Well ok then, I ask...how did having Moss help win that SB? we will probably disagree but if you say O line was the problem then shouldn't we have put more emphasis there? Anyway folks on the board here want to think some Moss like trade thing will change everything and there are bigger gaps than WR, to not see that is looking through colored glasses. I would mind seeing him on the team if the price is right, but it wont be, has to be a bargin. I just dont think it is a place they should focus right now. God I hope Im wrong but that Chicago defense is nothing compared to Denver.

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I simply do not understand the thinking that only going 18-1 with a great WR means that great WRs do not help you.
By that argument we should get rid of Brady because we haven't won the last 9 SBs with him.

The question is whether to acquire a player who is available. You do not pass because it is not your greatest position of need.
Do you disagree that Jackson makes the team better? That it thereby increases the chance of winning a SB? I think that is a nobrainer, so the question is only what price are you willing to pay to increase those chances by how much.

JMC00 said:

I just am completely baffled that there are people adamantly against bringing in Jackson if there isn't a worthwhile DL or LB out there.

So because BB can't find a DL or LB he isn't allowed to improve another area? An area that helps Brady, which helps the offense, which helps the defense a little bit.

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Didnt he just bring in a DL and a LB?

JayNM said:

Is VJax a guy that would re-do his deal? He's way too expensive(11M/Y or so) in the long run, specially at 31 YO.

I would take him for 9M, already incluiding some nice incentives. Next year, however, i'd say goodbye to Amendola.

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No he would be a rental for this year.

AndyJohnson said:

Do you disagree that Jackson makes the team better? That it thereby increases the chance of winning a SB? I think that is a nobrainer, so the question is only what price are you willing to pay to increase those chances by how much.

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I think your missing the point, IMHO WR is not the "MOST" needed position on the team. Folks are going to be crying a river here soon when the better teams come at the Pats, and the O Line and Defense again the rush become a problem, again. Maybe, hope not. When your team is scoring 39 points a game vjax isnt going to change a lot of that, maybe make it more consistent. But dam I hate to say it but I agree with JMC00 that if there is nothing else out there where you have needs them maybe you go after Vjax.

But one thing I disagree with is working a deal for this guy that becomes a problem with cap and other important players in the offseason. A trade out for vjax and Amendola, sure but I dont know the cap effect, not sure anyone here does. If a deal like this happens and affects anyone of the good players on defense I am strongly opposed. Revis is going to get his money next year, in NE or not. Im just looking at the risk reward and business side of this.

I keep getting sucked in. Crap.

AndyJohnson said:

Didnt he just bring in a DL and a LB?

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Ya.

obgod3 said:

I think your missing the point, IMHO WR is not the "MOST" needed position on the team.

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I think you are missing the point. I do not disagree that it isnt the largest need on the team, in fact, I think I stated just that.
You seem to be saying if you cannot improve the position where you have the most need you shouldn't improve any positions. That makes no sense to me.

Folks are going to be crying a river here soon when the better teams come at the Pats, and the O Line and Defense again the rush become a problem, again. Maybe, hope not. When your team is scoring 39 points a game vjax isnt going to change a lot of that, maybe make it more consistent. But dam I hate to say it but I agree with JMC00 that if there is nothing else out there where you have needs them maybe you go after Vjax.

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You go after everyone who can help. We scored 16 against the Raiders, 14 against the Chiefs and 27 against the abysmal 30th ranked Jets. Of course we can be better. I don't care about players to help us score more points against teams we blow out, I care about improving the team to compete against good teams.
We have a tough run of 5 games coming up and the points we scored against Chicago, cincy and Buffalo don't get carried forward.

But one thing I disagree with is working a deal for this guy that becomes a problem with cap and

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other important players in the offseason. A trade out for vjax and Amendola, sure but I dont know the cap effect, not sure anyone here does. If a deal like this happens and affects anyone of the good players on defense I am strongly opposed. Revis is going to get his money next year, in NE or not. Im just looking at the risk reward and business side of this.

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I can only say in each and every post that you have to consider the cost. You can choose to read that or not. I would suggest you read the post you are responding to more thoroughly because you are arguing points that I already explained twice.

AndyJohnson said:

I simply do not understand the thinking that only going 18-1 with a great WR means that great WRs do not help you.
By that argument we should get rid of Brady because we haven't won the last 9 SBs with him.

The question is whether to acquire a player who is available. You do not pass because it is not your greatest position of need.
Do you disagree that Jackson makes the team better? That it thereby increases the chance of winning a SB? I think that is a nobrainer, so the question is only what price are you willing to pay to increase those chances by how much.
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Your post. I read it. Twice. Good? Cool.

AndyJohnson said:

No he would be a rental for this year.

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Well, this makes me wary of spending anything more than a 3rd round pick. And that's only cause i think we're having a compensatory pick there too. He would make this team much more threatening though.

Rob0729 said:

A second round pick is too much for Jackson because if he doesn't redo his deal, he is a half a year rental. And his numbers are declining and I am not sure if it is the QB or his age or both.

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I haven't read through all eleven pages of this thread, so apologies if this was already addressed. Living in the Tampa area I see a fair amount of the Bucs - and confirming this with co-workers who follow them very closely, Jackson has definitely lost a step in the last year or two. He has also had a fairly high number of dropped passes over the last couple of seasons.

On the other hand he does make up for that reduction in speed with his height and athleticism - in other words, he's still making catches even though he doesn't get the separation he did back when he was a Charger. The biggest reason for his drop in production this year (26 receptions on 65 targets for 357 yards and 13.7 ypc - 3.5 yards below his career average) is that Tampa Bay's offensive line is awful, giving the QB (Glennon is a pure pocket passer) no space to be able to properly step up and make his throws.

For what it's worth Tampa waived their third string QB today which leaves them with an open roster spot.

If a 3rd gets it done then why the heck not? Even if it's just a 1/2 year rental ....... our 3rd round picks habitually suck!

FreeTedWilliams said:

For what it's worth Tampa waived their third string QB today which leaves them with an open roster spot.

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Bucs' cutting of QB Mike Kafka sets up activation of rookie RB Charles Sims from short-term injured reserve.

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https://twitter.com/gregauman/status/526842767604203520

Barring surprise, Bucs expected to sign QB Mike Kafka back to practice squad, where he was before McCown injury, after he clears waivers.

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https://twitter.com/gregauman/status/526862218462498817

ESPN's Chris Mortensen said on NFL Insiders he does not expect the #Buccaneers to trade Vincent Jackson before Tuesday's deadline.

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https://twitter.com/evansilva/status/526824187462041600

SVN said:

http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports...-trade-is-the-right-move-at-all-for-patriots/

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Agree with teddy here

Brady_to_Moss said:

Agree with teddy here

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Yup, me too. He makes an excellent point about Jackson not being familiar with this system and possibly lacking the versatility required to make a difference. This team has what it needs at WR.

Tunescribe said:

Yup, me too. He makes an excellent point about Jackson not being familiar with this system and possibly lacking the versatility required to make a difference. This team has what it needs at WR.

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Lafell is coming into his own right now. If he was sucking and not doing a think like DA and Dobson was still a dud up until now..i could see the move. But lafell taking off? Just don't need it

Patriots will trade a late round pick for a no name player. Calling it.

How about Dennard for VJax?