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It is a simple question. How much better would the team be with Jackson as one our 3 WR's instead of Amendola. What is the incremental advantage? And is the incremental value worth the $5M?
 
It is a simple question. How much better would the team be with Jackson as one our 3 WR's instead of Amendola. What is the incremental advantage? And is the incremental value worth the $5M?

UNBELIEVABLY better. Amendola is a scrub. Always has been.

Vincent Jackson would be our most psychically talented WR since Moss, and it's not close.

He's big, fast, strong, and has great hands. I thik Brady would nut himself to have an elite WR again. He deserves it!
 
What is the incremental advantage? And is the incremental value worth the $5M?

Not just the salary significance, but also the high draft pick that it'd take to get this deal done.
 
It is a simple question. How much better would the team be with Jackson as one our 3 WR's instead of Amendola. What is the incremental advantage? And is the incremental value worth the $5M?

I don't think this offense can be much better passing the ball, these last 4 games they have been nearly perfect. When they're rolling like this, where is there even room in the game plan for VJAX to get targets? TB's attempts for the last 4 games are 35, 37, 37, and 35. VJAX has never played with TB before and he has to learn this offense, I don't think it's a good idea for him to steal snaps away from other receivers in practice to learn this offense ... he's not a high priority, I would say it's not worth it.
 
Screw that draft pick. We get by fine without it

You know what likey we get by? The Broncos. Vincent Jackson would greatly improve our odds of doing it.
 
I'm not going to repeat myself again but for the sake of this i will. VJax will turn this offense into a JUGGERNAUT. Yeah i know it's been pretty good lately but i'm talking week to week offensive fireworks with this guy going deep.

Literally all the offense needs is a guy like this...
 
It's not like we're ever gonna draft a difference making WR in the 2nd round anyway.
 
I don't believe that is even close to true.

Why not? Who really cares if it's not flashy names? They are getting it done big time, LaFell went 11 for 11 today. Tim Wright is on the rise, it's like Edelman is an afterthought now. For what we have to give up for VJAX, I just don't see how it's worth it. There's no guarantees, we don't even know if he can play in this offense, and if he can ... what are we going to do? Start forcing balls to him for no good reason? If we are going to make a move it should be on the defensive side, or we should get a RB. I rather have a reliable RB come January than VJAX. I have confidence in this group of receivers to get it done
 
I think that the trade is unlikely. However, I think that Jackson and LaFell, with Edelman in the slot would be a great improvement over what we have. And yes, Jackosn might take longer than getting Ayers to be ready to contribute. Add Gronk, Wright and Vereen, and you have six weapons in the passing game. That is NOT a huge number.
 
I think that the trade is unlikely. However, I think that Jackson and LaFell, with Edelman in the slot would be a great improvement over what we have. And yes, Jackosn might take longer than getting Ayers to be ready to contribute. Add Gronk, Wright and Vereen, and you have six weapons in the passing game. That is NOT a huge number.

I don't know, I'm not a fan of trading mid season for WRs, it can mess up momentum. I think they need offseasons to really gel
 

Because I've watched the games.


Who really cares if it's not flashy names?

I don't care about flashy names. I care about Tom Brady getting and the New England Patriots winning the Super Bowl.

They are getting it done big time, LaFell went 11 for 11 today.

And he had 1 catch on 4 targets against the Bengals. What's your point?

Tim Wright is on the rise,

No, sadly, he's not. The numbers on that are abundantly clear. There's still time for him, obviously, but to say he's on the rise is simply not true.

it's like Edelman is an afterthought now.

Edelman was targeted and had some drops. That doesn't make him an afterthought. He just had a 9 catch game against Buffalo two weeks ago, in case you'd forgotten.

For what we have to give up for VJAX, I just don't see how it's worth it.

You don't know what would be given up, so you really don't know what you're talking about here.

There's no guarantees, we don't even know if he can play in this offense, and if he can ... what are we going to do?

There's no guarantee that both Gronk and Edelman will be healthy for the playoffs, either.

Start forcing balls to him for no good reason?

It depends on what you mean by "no good reason", I suppose, so this point is really just an unresolveable opinion.

If we are going to make a move it should be on the defensive side, or we should get a RB.

At least that's a meaningful opinion. Of course, the issue then becomes one of finding that RB, and one of asking why only one move can be made.

I rather have a reliable RB come January than VJAX. I have confidence in this group of receivers to get it done

This "group" of receivers (and that includes both WRs and TEs) is currently 3 deep. It's ridiculous to think that can't be improved upon, or at least shored up in case of injury. Now, if you can find talent at DL/LB/RB/S2 that fixes problems there, but precludes picking up Jackson, THAT's when "rather have" matters. Until then, it's meaningless.
 
Because I've watched the games.

No, sadly, he's not. The numbers on that are abundantly clear. There's still time for him, obviously, but to say he's on the rise is simply not true.

WTF is this about? He had 7 catches and a TD today. How is that 'abundantly' NOT a rise?
 
And he had 1 catch on 4 targets against the Bengals. What's your point?

He's on pace for just under 1,000 yards on the Season. Brady is spreading the ball around, so what? LaFell has looked great.


No, sadly, he's not. The numbers on that are abundantly clear. There's still time for him, obviously, but to say he's on the rise is simply not true.

As he's coming off season highs, you're right the numbers are clear and they say he has scored a TD in the last 3 of 4 games as the back up TE.

"there's still time for him" ... you make it sound like he has been failing miserably.


There's no guarantee that both Gronk and Edelman will be healthy for the playoffs, either.

There's no guarantee Brady will be healthy for playoffs either, what are you saying?



This "group" of receivers (and that includes both WRs and TEs) is currently 3 deep. It's ridiculous to think that can't be improved upon, or at least shored up in case of injury. Now, if you can find talent at DL/LB/RB/S2 that fixes problems there, but precludes picking up Jackson, THAT's when "rather have" matters. Until then, it's meaningless.

I agree with this, it's not like I would be mad if Jackson were here, he can definitely improve this area if he catches on quickly but I'm just saying I would like to see other positions filled before him.

Edelman was targeted and had some drops. That doesn't make him an afterthought. He just had a 9 catch game against Buffalo two weeks ago, in case you'd forgotten.

It's beautiful not seeing Brady force balls to Edelman almost every passing play. Defenses can't only game plan vs Edelman anymore.
 
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WTF is this about? He had 7 catches and a TD today. How is that 'abundantly' NOT a rise?

We're counting individual games as rises now? Nothing against the Jets. One catch against the Bills, and now he's rising?

Come on. Let's at least pretend that we can be rational when we analyze the Patriots.

He's on pace for just under 1,000 yards on the Season.

See what I posted in response to rochrist. It's essentially all of a piece.
 
We're counting individual games as rises now? Nothing against the Jets. One catch against the Bills, and now he's rising?

Come on. Let's at least pretend that we can be rational when we analyze the Patriots.
Right. 13 catches and 3 TDs over the last 4 games vs. 4 catches and 0 TDs over the FIRST 4 games and that's NOT rising production. What-ever dude. You're working from a different dictionary than I am.
 
We're counting individual games as rises now? Nothing against the Jets. One catch against the Bills, and now he's rising?

Come on. Let's at least pretend that we can be rational when we analyze the Patriots.



See what I posted in response to rochrist. It's essentially all of a piece.

You do realize he's catching TD passes, right?
 
I agree with this, it's not like I would be mad if Jackson were here, he can definitely improve this area if he catches on quickly but I'm just saying I would like to see other positions filled before him.

This is an absolutely valid, reasonable, and rational opinion. As I noted earlier in the thread, it's the "uh uh. No way!" nonsense that I've had an issue with on this topic.
 
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