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What's mid rate about Rob Gronkowski, Julian Edelman and Brandon LaFell?
Not a damn thing.
Even Lafell may be better than I thought.
Hernandez did screw them up. He might not be done screwing them up either.
I hope they do a better job next year with the roster they'll have no more excuses money wise.
 
Bovine pasture patties.

The Pats drafted Ted Larsen who is now a starting G for the NFCW leading Cardinals. They drafted Ohrenberger who is the starting C for the AFCW contender Chargers. The rebuilding Offensive line would be a lot easier if they had the roster room to keep them, while they were acclimated to the NFL.

While Mankins and the KC Guard started backed up by Connolly and Wendell. At Center there was also no room with ??whatshisname???? starting, and Wendell and Connolly backing up.

The Pats only have 3 First Round picks on the Defensive line, two from the new generation, and one from the earlier generation,while they transition to the new younger players.

They only have 3 First round pick is on the LB squad, one of whom a Pro Bowler who is on IR and missed.

They only have two first rounders in the secondary with several second and third round picks.

The BS that the Patriots are cheap, Belichick is a moron drafting is tiresome. It is Drafnik morons who think that a Street & Smith mag makes them a drafting genius.
 
Second, *****ing on a message board is not going accomplish anything. Do you really think Kraft and Belichick read this board and make strategic decisions based on the posts?

Cmon man!!! Really????? That's exactly what the board is for. I only stated frustration about this team that's obvious to most fans.Learned a lot in the process. Some on my own some from other posters.
 
Not a damn thing.
Even Lafell may be better than I thought.
Hernandez did screw them up. He might not be done screwing them up either.
I hope they do a better job next year with the roster they'll have no more excuses money wise.
That's the thing though @Patradomous. Aaron Hernandez was a Pro Bowl quality Tight End. He was a focal point in the Patriots 2TE set, the formation which they had come to prefer. All of a sudden, Gronk goes down with some freakish injuries, finds himself on the end of a dirty play and Hernandez finds himself in a cell as an accused murderer. The Patriots did the right thing releasing him but it's had a two-pronged effect.
  1. The loss of Hernandez removed a critical piece of the offense, &
  2. The loss of Hernandez has hit the Patriots with considerable dead money hits.
I'm not sure if the numbers are correct and I am sure @Miguel would be better educated to provide you with the actual number but I'm sure the Patriots could considerably improve their roster with the 8-9 million odd on the books for Hernandez this season. It's a major issue not of the Patriots doing and not something the Broncos have to be concerned with.
 
Not a damn thing.
Even Lafell may be better than I thought.
Hernandez did screw them up. He might not be done screwing them up either.
I hope they do a better job next year with the roster they'll have no more excuses money wise.

Yeah, that 7.5--8m dollar dead cap hit for Hernandez this year is certainly handcuffing them in some regard.

Just think of the type of player that we could have with that kind of cap hit. It's disgusting.
 
Yeah, that 7.5--8m dollar dead cap hit for Hernandez this year is certainly handcuffing them in some regard.

Just think of the type of player that we could have with that kind of cap hit. It's disgusting.

Heh. I had a nice laugh... Well done, Supa.


You know, in the summer of 11', when we "locked up" Perpnandez, I was really happy, and looked forward to a good 4-5 years of the 2 TE offense.. Fast forward two summers later, when they locked up Ahern, I was filled with anxiety over the prospect of a 0 TE (absent Gronk) and slot WR offense.

But I totally agree Supa, that the cap hit sustained from Gangstalicious's contract is crippling.. and I'd argue that if he kept his **** together and didn't kill 3 people, we might have been able to use the Mankins trade to satisfy a different positional need (Maybe DE or S2?), or maybe we wouldn't have dealt him at all? Who knows. I will say although BB made some questionable decisions in regards to the off season of 13', I won't blame him for not being to properly address the void that was left by The Fallen One, his exit from this organization was an unknown-unknown that I doubt anyone could have seen coming.
 
I hope they do a better job next year with the roster they'll have no more excuses money wise.

You can watch them this year. They spent a lot of money on Revis, that should make you happy.
 
Cmon man!!! Really????? That's exactly what the board is for. I only stated frustration about this team that's obvious to most fans.Learned a lot in the process. Some on my own some from other posters.

Everyone gets frustrated to a certain degree, however to cherry pick decisions based on the salary cap and the good of this team is inane.

Perhaps being old school, I do not share the disdain many do here.. the whole "Steve from Fall River" picking apart the roster and what could have been if the Patriots did__________ is idiotic. Two things to keep in mind our average draft pick since 2002, has been about #26 in the first round and despite this we have averaged 11.5 wins per season since '02.

No other team in the NFL has been this good this long in the salary cap era...

Talk radio makes a living off of controversy, and to believe that they are authorities on any subject defies their raison d'etre... they exist to attract listeners, sell ads and get good ratings. They do not exist to provide reliable information.
 
But Minnesota and Oakland haven't had the best quarterback and coach in the league for a period of 10 years without a Super Bowl. that's what upsets us "knee jerk" reaction fans. Would you, and the others who criticize the "crybabies", have not traded a super bowl in 2011 for an 8-8 or 7-9 season in 2012? I've said it a million times before - Krafty Bob would rather have 4 straight afc east titles and one super bowl loss than a super bowl title, two afc east titles, and two 7-9/6-10 seasons. At some point the Pats become the Atlanta Braves or Buffalo Bills. Fans like me just say resign Asante Samuel and don't try to replace him with 12 3rd and 4th round picks, don't trade Richard Seymour, really go after Emmanuel Sanders, resign Welker. Kraft has the money/salary cap space. Belichick is so obsessed with having "quality" at the bottom of the roster I sometimes think they forsake other parts of the team.
We're dissatisfied with the current team because we don't see week to week improvement with the team. The team has played 7 games and thus far they've looked "good" for maybe 6 total quarters. They flashed the second half of Buffalo and pretty much the entire Cin game; other than that, how can anyone be impressed/satisfied with who the Pats have played? Sure, wins are wins, but is there reason for optimism? No sane thinker, looking at how the teams have played thus far, could say the Denver would not come in here against the Pats passive defense and keep the ball for 40 minutes and put up 35 points. Remember, the Patriots didn't make the NYJ punt until the second half! Don't forget, in his last 3 games vs the Patriots, Manning has lit up the the Pats - something like 850 yards, 7 tds and only 1 int. and that includes a game in which the Pats let Denver run all day and when Manning had to throw he sliced and diced the passive defense for a td to tie the game in cold windy weather. Belichick is no longer "in Manning's head." Once Polian whined to the league, Manning started shredding Belichick defenses.
We're dissatisfied with the team because they signed the best corner in the league and we thought there'd be this transformed defense, but no, it's the same old Pats defense letting Derek Carr and Geno Smith convert third down after third down, It's the same old Pats defense that cannot apply consistent pressure with a 4 man rush, it's the same old Pats defense that is afraid of mobile quarterbacks. The Pats, right now, are an average defense - #12 in total yards, #12 in points, #25 in 3d down %, #18 in opponent's time of possession...the list of mediocre and unimpressive data goes on.
The fact remains, the Pats have never really went out and spent money and signed an offensive skill player to a big contract - Moss, Welker (who was pretty much a nobody when the pats got him), and Corey Dillon were all trades and the players signed low risk, team-friendly contracts.
Personally I'm dissatisfied because I've been a Boston Sports fan all my life and two of our biggest rivals can claim they are the model franchise in their sport - the NY Yankees and Montreal Canadiens. I'm 40 years old and although I've seen four Celtics titles, there's also been some awful, bottom of the barrel basketball for the majority of the time I've been watching.
The 2007 season was the chance for all Boston sports fans to puff out their chest and say "we're the best" - and there could be no argument. I suspect many of the folks on Patsfans telling us to "appreciate" all these AFC East Titles aren't Boston sports fans - they probably live elsewhere and "picked" the Patriots as there favorite team. These folks didn't feel the sting of the Bruins losing to Chicago two years ago and to f#cking Montreal last year or the pain of the Celtics losing to LA in '10 despite bringing a 3-2 lead back to LA.
Moral of the story? Look - the Red Sox sucked this year, but they won a World Series the year before...not many Sox fans are complaining about this year...I know I'm not...

Damn, that's one of the best posts I've read on here. Thanks FCB.
 
You can watch them this year. They spent a lot of money on Revis, that should make you happy.

They were forced to spend on Revis once Talib bolted.
 
They were forced to spend on Revis once Talib bolted.

Except it was the other way around. Patriots ended talks with Talib because they knew they were getting Revis then Talib signed with Denver late March 11th, Revis was released on March 12th and was a Patriot within a few hours after. The contract was probably agreed on before he was even released by Tampa.
 
Everyone gets frustrated to a certain degree, however to cherry pick decisions based on the salary cap and the good of this team is inane.

Perhaps being old school, I do not share the disdain many do here.. the whole "Steve from Fall River" picking apart the roster and what could have been if the Patriots did__________ is idiotic. Two things to keep in mind our average draft pick since 2002, has been about #26 in the first round and despite this we have averaged 11.5 wins per season since '02.

No other team in the NFL has been this good this long in the salary cap era...

Talk radio makes a living off of controversy, and to believe that they are authorities on any subject defies their raison d'etre... they exist to attract listeners, sell ads and get good ratings. They do not exist to provide reliable information.

It's amazing how many personnel experts there are that, rather than selfishly seeking lucrative NFL jobs for pay, willingly contribute their expertise pro bono to any team that wants it, all in the brief time they have on their mothers computer in the basement before school.
 
Except it was the other way around. Patriots ended talks with Talib because they knew they were getting Revis then Talib signed with Denver late March 11th, Revis was released on March 12th and was a Patriot within a few hours after. The contract was probably agreed on before he was even released by Tampa.

You're contradicting yourself. We picked up Revis the day after Talib signed with Denver. Everything else you said was conjecture on your part.
 
So, every time they lose a free agent, a future hall of famer will be "forced" to sign with them? That sounds like a good deal.

I thought it was a great trade off (Revis for Talib) too, but they wouldn't have made the move if they didn't lose Talib. I think we can all agree on that.
 
Except it was the other way around. Patriots ended talks with Talib because they knew they were getting Revis then Talib signed with Denver late March 11th, Revis was released on March 12th and was a Patriot within a few hours after. The contract was probably agreed on before he was even released by Tampa.
We don't know when deals were worked out. I agree that the deals with Revis and with Browner were probably agreed to before parting ways with Talib. We seem to forget Browner. To replace Talib with Revis was truly impressive. To relace him with Revis AND Browner is awesome.
 
It's amazing how many personnel experts there are that, rather than selfishly seeking lucrative NFL jobs for pay, willingly contribute their expertise pro bono to any team that wants it, all in the brief time they have on their mothers computer in the basement before school.

Maybe I'll talk to your mom and have her get you more pom poms to wave around in the basement before you head off to school.

The idea that the Pats are above criticism because they won a SB ten years ago, or because they win more regular season games, is laughable.

This is a football message board, right?
 
You're contradicting yourself. We picked up Revis the day after Talib signed with Denver. Everything else you said was conjecture on your part.

No i'm not and it's not conjecture. You have to be a complete idiot not to see that the Pats moved on from Talib when it became public knowledge Revis would be available.

It was reported early morning March 11th that the Bucs would release Revis. If you don't think Revis' people were fielding offers for him on March 11th you are naive. His 1st and 2nd choices were jests and Pats, the jests didn't want him, the Pats did.

The report of Talib signing with the Broncos came after 11PM ET March 11th.

Pats moved on from Talib because they knew they had Revis. Which allowed the Broncos to end talks with Rogers-Cromartie and go after Talib and basically give him the same deal they offered Rogers-Cromartie.
 
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I thought it was a great trade off (Revis for Talib) too, but they wouldn't have made the move if they didn't lose Talib. I think we can all agree on that.

There wasn't a cause and effect and if Belichick knew Revis, thebestCB in football, was available, they very well might have, in my opinion. Talib has a lot of character and injury baggage. I don't think you give BB enough credit.
Maybe I'll talk to your mom and have her get you more pom poms to wave around in the basement before you head off to school.

The idea that the Pats are above criticism because they won a SB ten years ago, or because they win more regular season games, is laughable.

This is a football message board, right?

I had to leave before, but what i meant was, BB is always keeping a "book" on players and preparing to lose players due to negotiation, Marquise Hill and Ron Brace were undoubtedly acquired partly as gamesmanship in the Seymour and Wilfork negotiations. I'm sure (IMO) BB followed Revis' career with great interest in case he got in a bad situation (he did) and was willing to deal to get out. I don't think BB just reached a snag in negotiations, decided to look around and was surprised Revis happened to be available, but that's my opinion.

As far as you quoting a post agreeing with another fan all the football experts sure they could draft, acquire free agents and handle the cap better than NFL teams, well I absolutely think it's hilarious. Why would someone with no NFL personnel experience actually think that?

I propose acquisitions based on something I read, but i don't think the front office is stupid and only I know the way to do it. I don't know crap. Do I think it's hilarious when fantasy football fans, in a short period of time, propose acquiring enough receivers, and no other position, to take up at least half the salary cap? Yes i do.
Different people have different sense of humor. I think receivers are relatively unimportant in building a football team and running a draft, business and team depth is incredibly difficult.

Perhaps you have a different sense of humor.

Got to go now. Got to email Donald Trump. I'm sure he's been reading my emails about how to run his business, but the stupid bastard keeps making the same mistakes.
 
I DON'T CARE. I CAN'T STAND IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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