Our corner matchups vs. Denver WR's

Joey007 · Oct 25, 2014

So if we are in agreement that Revis will take on D Thomas, then who goes against who? I'd like to see us place Browner on Julius Thomas. If Revis and Browner can heavily neutralize those two it'll be great but then it proposes a new problem in shutting down Welker/Sanders. I think we can manage Welker but I have a bad feeling Sanders is gonna have a huge game vs us. We gotta find someone that'll keep him from making the huge gains.

I'm just curious to know how you guys think we'll line up vs. These guys in a week. I really like our Secondary against these guys compared to the rest of the teams Denvers faced. Honestly aside from Seattle we will have the best secondary theyve faced so far, and we saw how they did against Seattle for most of the game until the end. However the big issue will of course be getting to Manning. Having Jones out might make that a huge issue.

ausbacker · Oct 25, 2014

I'll address this question after Chicago.

Big-T · Oct 25, 2014

D. Thomas is pretty soft so I'd be tempted to let Browner beat the crap out of him at the LOS with McCourty over the top as insurance. Revis on Sanders then figure out what to do with J. Thomas because Arrington or Dennard can take Welker.

Kontradiction · Oct 25, 2014

I'll just go through and copy and paste some of my posts from the Chargers/Broncos thread...

KontradictioN said:
I think Revis needs to be on Sanders next week and Browner needs to be on Demaryius with help over the top. Manning is looking Sanders' way much more than Demaryius this year. Take Sanders out of the game, double Demaryius and let Dennard physically get his hands on Welker at the LoS and we should be able to contain them.

KontradictioN said:
Dennard did well against Torrey Smith in the 2012 AFCCG but, since then, he's been wildly inconsistent against those types of receivers. He's either been really good against them or really bad. Whether that is related to injury or not is up for debate, since he's also been battling those. And I don't think it's an automatic that Browner yields a 100 yard game to Demaryius, especially if McCourty is helping him over the top. Browner was signed to be the physical CB on the roster where Revis was signed to take away the oppositions top threat. For us, that may be Sanders since Dennard is not a speed cornerback and Revis is. I'd rather see Dennard on Welker.

KontradictioN said:
Browner is one of the toughest corners to get a clean release from in the NFL and got plagued by bogus PI calls in the Jets game. Otherwise, he showed the physicality at the LOS that has sometimes given Thomas trouble over his career. I don't see it as a sure thing that Thomas has a 100 yard game when he's trying to beat Browner off the press along the LOS while still contending with a top five safety with amazing range over the top. If the Patriots execute my plan and Thomas is contained while Revis completely locks down Sanders, Denver's offense is dead in the water. If not, the Patriots have the ability to slide Revis over to Thomas, Browner onto Julius Thomas, and Dennard on Sanders who may beat him deep if we're going man to man.

KontradictioN said:
There's a reason why Browner has had success in this league covering receivers like Demaryius in spite of not having speed, and that's because he's one of the longer and more physical corners in the league. A throwback. Browner is NOTORIOUSLY hard to get a release from, even on a double move. If Demaryius does get a release, he has a Pro Bowl safety ready to contest a pass. You're right that Revis is more physically equipped to deal with Thomas, but I would use him on Sanders first and experiment with Browner/McCourty on Thomas before switching Revis. Like I said, if my game plan in the back end works, the Broncos are average at best, dead in the water at worst. It would also make it so that Chung or whomever else plays safety opposite McCourty can live in the box to either help with Julius Thomas or to provide run support.

KontradictioN said:
Yeah, but not Browner and McCourty. McCourty has the range and Browner can re-route him at the LOS. I think he'd still get his catches, but I don't think he'd dominate. Revis would completely lock down Sanders. He would be a ghost. The Broncos would have to beat us with Welker and Julius Thomas through the air. Still two very tough match-ups but they aren't lethal like Sanders and Thomas.

KontradictioN said:
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't have a problem with that coverage, so long as Arrington/Dennard is given ample safety help. But I would want to see Browner cover Thomas as much as possible with McCourty consistenly shaded to his side to assist on anything deep, or if Thomas shakes Browner at the LOS. Thomas is both strong and fast for a WR. I would like to see the Patriots match that with a combination of strength at the LOS (Browner) and speed (McCourty). Revis completely neutralizing Sanders will force the Broncos over to the other side of the field and, if the coverage is tight enough or if McCourty baits him, the D could force a turnover or two at the expense of the Five Head. Browner, as I'm sure you remember, saw his share of #1 wideouts in Seattle from time to time when teams began to scheme away from Sherman. Let's see if he can handle Thomas. If he can, and Sanders is taken out one on one by Revis, the Broncos are going to have a very difficult time moving the ball through the air. If Thomas is making mincemeat of Browner and McCourty, switch coverages.

Kontradiction · Oct 25, 2014

Personally, I would use Browner on a tryout basis this weekend. Stick him on Marshall and let's see how he does. Marshall is nowhere near as fast as Thomas is, but he is just as big. Let's see how well Browner can jam and re-route him at the line and let's see if the referees put a bullseye on Browner's chest as well. If he does well against Marshall and has success jamming him while avoid flags, however B.S. they may be, I think he should be given the duty to cover Thomas with McCourty shading to his side early and often.

Froob · Oct 25, 2014

Browner on D. Thomas worries me. I think Sanders is going to hurt us, could probably grab a couple vs Revis. On the plus side, at least they dont have Moreno anymore. Hill and Ball aren't anything to write home about.

Froob · Oct 25, 2014

KontradictioN said:
Personally, I would use Browner on a tryout basis this weekend. Stick him on Marshall and let's see how he does. Marshall is nowhere near as fast as Thomas is, but he is just as big. Let's see how well Browner can jam and re-route him at the line and let's see if the referees put a bullseye on Browner's chest as well. If he does well against Marshall and has success jamming him while avoid flags, however B.S. they may be, I think he should be given the duty to cover Thomas with McCourty shading to his side early and often.

If Ward in the end zone the other night wasnt pass interference im not sure so it exists anymore.

Kontradiction · Oct 25, 2014

Froob said:
If Ward in the end zone the other night wasnt pass interference im not sure so it exists anymore.

Biggest problem of this "point of emphasis". They're over emphasizing what may be the most subjective call in football.

clam chowdah · Oct 25, 2014

I don't think it matters who is on who, just jam them at the LOS, mix up zone and man and wait for peyton to throw picks. If patricia lets peyton dissect us with short passing game all night I hope BB slaps the beard off his face and starts calling the shots.

Kontradiction · Oct 25, 2014

clam chowdah said:
I don't think it matters who is on who, just jam them at the LOS, mix up zone and man and wait for peyton to throw picks. If patricia lets peyton dissect us with short passing game all night I hope BB slaps the beard off his face and starts calling the shots.

Every game plan on defense is ultimately Belichick's so, if Peyton is doing what you describe, Belichick should slap himself and let someone else start calling the shots.

Froob · Oct 25, 2014

KontradictioN said:
Biggest problem of this "point of emphasis". They're over emphasizing what may be the most subjective call in football.

It'd be one thing if the "point of emphasis" applied to everyone but Peyton's team seems to be the one team that it doesn't apply to. We should hire Polian to go ***** about those pick plays for us so instead of us being the only team it gets called on, we'll be the only team that can use it.

Kontradiction · Oct 25, 2014

Froob said:
It'd be one thing if the "point of emphasis" applied to everyone but Peyton's team seems to be the one team that it doesn't apply to. We should hire Polian to go ***** about those pick plays for us so instead of us being the only team it gets called on, we'll be the only team that can use it.

Seahawks aren't being called for it either.

Mark12 · Oct 25, 2014

ausbacker said:
I'll address this question after Chicago.

Hey coach Belichick, didn't know you would venture this forums.

patsinthesnow · Oct 25, 2014

@DougKyedNESN: ICYMI, Brandon Browner allows a 123.3 passer rating to WRs under 6-foot, 56.3 passer rating to WRs 6-3 and over: http://t.co/xPUn02G45N

Archeryaddict12 · Oct 25, 2014

patsinthesnow said:
@DougKyedNESN: ICYMI, Brandon Browner allows a 123.3 passer rating to WRs under 6-foot, 56.3 passer rating to WRs 6-3 and over: http://t.co/xPUn02G45N

Makes sense

FourierSeries · Oct 25, 2014

patsinthesnow said:
@DougKyedNESN: ICYMI, Brandon Browner allows a 123.3 passer rating to WRs under 6-foot, 56.3 passer rating to WRs 6-3 and over: http://t.co/xPUn02G45N

Interesting, but expected.

We've seen defensive players utilized incorrectly this year, especially early on. Hopefully that doesn't happen against Denver.

Kontradiction · Oct 25, 2014

patsinthesnow said:
@DougKyedNESN: ICYMI, Brandon Browner allows a 123.3 passer rating to WRs under 6-foot, 56.3 passer rating to WRs 6-3 and over: http://t.co/xPUn02G45N

Yep. Stick him on Demaryius, let Browner beat the hell out of him within 5 yards, and give him McCourty up to. Let Revis shut down Sanders and then force Julius Thomas and a gimpy Welker to beat you. Money.

SVN · Oct 25, 2014

hopefuly we can matchup well with marshall and jefferey first this sunday then worry about denver.

1960Pats · Oct 25, 2014

KontradictioN said:
Biggest problem of this "point of emphasis". They're over emphasizing what may be the most subjective call in football.

As luck would have it, I decided to watch the second college game I've watched in more than a decade, and the entertaining back and forth game was decided at the very end on a PI call on the offense, on a play that looked more like PI on the defense. It appears that the NFL's idiocy has seeped down into the NCAA.

The problem in the NFL might lessen if contact was allowed at the beginning of the route, maybe even 10 yards down field, but with a zero tolerance for contact at the time of the catch. They need to do away with the clutching, pushing and grabbing that goes on at the catch, by both players.

SunsOutGunsOut · Oct 25, 2014

Folks..Denver is not the main target..Indy should be the target..Denver is going to be the #1 seed whether they beat them here in Foxboro or not.. Indy is who the real battle is with.. The #2 seed..

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