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TommyBrady12 said:

When did the patriots play Seattle?

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Uhhhh...the only game where Manning has averaged less yards per play than last year's Super Bowl was...............the November game in Foxboro.

Denver has like played both.

The real question is who matches up with who. Think about that for awhile.

TommyBrady12 said:

That's because bill decided to give up 200 yards rushing to them in order to keep the ball out of manning' hands as much as possible.

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Manning did pass 36 times in that game which was one more pass attempt than he passed the following week when he had 403 yards and 5 TDs vs. the Chiefs.

Yes, the Patriots conceded the run to stop the pass, but let's not act like Manning never threw the ball in that game. He just only completed 52.1% of his passes in that game which was a season low. He had other games where he had less pass attempts.

Rob0729 said:

Look at my previous post. Dennard does well against Sanders type of receivers. Browner vs. D. Thomas is conceding a 100 yard game to him. Browner should be on Thomas, but Julius Thomas.

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Dennard did well against Torrey Smith in the 2012 AFCCG but, since then, he's been wildly inconsistent against those types of receivers. He's either been really good against them or really bad. Whether that is related to injury or not is up for debate, since he's also been battling those. And I don't think it's an automatic that Browner yields a 100 yard game to Demaryius, especially if McCourty is helping him over the top. Browner was signed to be the physical CB on the roster where Revis was signed to take away the oppositions top threat. For us, that may be Sanders since Dennard is not a speed cornerback and Revis is. I'd rather see Dennard on Welker.

When has Sanders ever torched the Patriots?

KontradictioN said:

Dennard did well against Torrey Smith in the 2012 AFCCG but, since then, he's been wildly inconsistent against those types of receivers. He's either been really good against them or really bad. Whether that is related to injury or not is up for debate, since he's also been battling those. And I don't think it's an automatic that Browner yields a 100 yard game to Demaryius, especially if McCourty is helping him over the top. Browner was signed to be the physical CB on the roster where Revis was signed to take away the oppositions top threat. For us, that may be Sanders since Dennard is not a speed cornerback and Revis is. I'd rather see Dennard on Welker.

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He played pretty well against Sanders last year (it was Arrington who got burnt by Sanders on the 42 yard pass).

I don't care who is on Welker. Let him get his one or two catches. He is Manning's fourth option at this point. He has been irrelevant this year.

D. Thomas is an elite WR. He is a huge threat after the catch (more so than Sanders). I would want Revis on him. He is the only one who has a chance of covering him on the field. At least Dennard has a chance to cover Sanders.

If Browner is on D. Thomas, it is a huge win for the Broncos and a 100 yard game is what you should be expecting for his floor in the game. What you are saying if you put Browner on D. Thomas is "We are going to let D. Thomas have his catches, yards and TD but we will try to shut down everyone else and keep the Broncos out of the endzone."

D. Thomas is elite. Sanders is very good but not elite. You need to shut down D. Thomas.

Obviously we have a shot at the Denver, but there's no question that the Broncos is the Best team in the NFL right now. And let me tell right now, before the game, that I think their planning was far superior than the one made by the pats, in relation of building a great team. Kudos to John Elway on being agressive in the FA and going after good to great players in areas of need

TommyBrady12 said:

That's because bill decided to give up 200 yards rushing to them in order to keep the ball out of manning' hands as much as possible.

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OK and outside of gift drive to tie at the end.......where exactly did that 280 yards of rushing get them?

Denver produced two meaningful scoring drives the entire game

Did it cause the three fumbles that produced 17 points? Was a 24 point half time lead protected?

Again, the only game where Manning averaged fewer yards per play than last year's Super Bowl was in Foxboro in November. Ultimately, what you choose to fixate on is what you evaluate.

Question

If you contemplate the off season moves by the Patriots with regard to the secondary..........why exactly do you think they did it? What's the objective?

patsfanincleveland said:

Uhhhh...the only game where Manning has averaged less yards per play than last year's Super Bowl was...............the November game in Foxboro.

Denver has like played both.

The real question is who matches up with who. Think about that for awhile.

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Your response is non-sensical. I only said that the pats have not played an elite offense yet, then YOU bring up denver vs seattle. NE does not have the same secondary as seattle's, not even close.

Rob0729 said:

He played pretty well against Sanders last year (it was Arrington who got burnt by Sanders on the 42 yard pass).

I don't care who is on Welker. Let him get his one or two catches. He is Manning's fourth option at this point. He has been irrelevant this year.

D. Thomas is an elite WR. He is a huge threat after the catch (more so than Sanders). I would want Revis on him. He is the only one who has a chance of covering him on the field. At least Dennard has a chance to cover Sanders.

If Browner is on D. Thomas, it is a huge win for the Broncos and a 100 yard game is what you should be expecting for his floor in the game. What you are saying if you put Brown on D. Thomas is "We are going to let D. Thomas have his catches, yards and TD but we will try to shut down everyone else and keep the Broncos out of the endzone."

D. Thomas is elite. Sanders is very good but not elite. You need to shut down D. Thomas.

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Browner is one of the toughest corners to get a clean release from in the NFL and got plagued by bogus PI calls in the Jets game. Otherwise, he showed the physicality at the LOS that has sometimes given Thomas trouble over his career. I don't see it as a sure thing that Thomas has a 100 yard game when he's trying to beat Browner off the press along the LOS while still contending with a top five safety with amazing range over the top. If the Patriots execute my plan and Thomas is contained while Revis completely locks down Sanders, Denver's offense is dead in the water. If not, the Patriots have the ability to slide Revis over to Thomas, Browner onto Julius Thomas, and Dennard on Sanders who may beat him deep if we're going man to man.

KA- said:

And then he torched us when it mattered

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Check the roster in November and January.

Outside of looking stupid, it's hard to imagine exactly what you are attempting with this post.

Here's a hint. Teams tend to not be as good when they lose most of their best players.

chasa said:

what if i told you that the 2014 patriots are not in fact the 2013 Seattle seahawks?

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Don't bother...no point in wasting my time.

Go back and look at play against the common opponent and get back to me.

You might then have something useful to report.

For starters , i would love to have that weather next week we has last november. That had a lot to do with mannin'g performance that day. He cant handle the wind and cold.

AzorianPats said:

When has Sanders ever torched the Patriots?

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He did it against the Patriots last season. I don't know how many yards he got total but he definitely torched us on one or two deep balls.

patsfanincleveland said:

Don't bother...no point in wasting my time.

Go back and look at play against the common opponent and get back to me.

You might then have something useful to report.

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Common opponents between seattle and the patriots? hmm okay:

okay just checked. both teams have played 7 games, and of those 7 games they have no similar opponents.

Now lets check 2013 hawks to 2014 patriots.

wow.. of the 16 regular season games the seahawks played last year, none of them are matched to any of the 7 teams the pats have played this year.

Looks like doing what you asked me to do resulted in a whole lot of nothing useful to report, I guess you are wrong about everything.

TommyBrady12 said:

Your response is non-sensical. I only said that the pats have not played an elite offense yet, then YOU bring up denver vs seattle. NE does not have the same sexary as seattle's, not even close.

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Huh? How

AzorianPats said:

When has Sanders ever torched the Patriots?

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Like never......

jmt57 said:

Just something to throw out there regarding Denver:

The Broncos have played five of their first seven games at home. They've played on the road just twice - losing once, and leading a one-win team by seven points before a pick-six with 15 seconds left to play made the final score appear to be an easier victory than it really was.

Denver must now play three straight road games, which historically is an extremely difficult task, regardless of the opponents. The Broncos will play six of their next eight games away from Mile High.

I would say that it is a bit premature to assume that Denver will finish 15-1 or 14-2, regardless of their current record.

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Best post of the thread. Denver has a HUGE home field advantage. Earlier in the thread someone noted that teams seem to beat themselves playing Denver...yup, and part of that is the air in Denver.

Don't discount that. Watch the season opener from last year. The Ravens played Denver tough through the first half, then melted. Classic example.

Denver is a very good football team. They get help from running picks over and over with nary a call; they get help from playing in thin air; they've had help this year with no major injuries so far; they get help from having a really good QB with a ton of weapons and strong o-line.

They've got to be the CURRENT favorites in the AFC, of course, with CURRENT being the operative word.

They have to go to Kansas City, San Diego, New England and Cincinnati...long way to go before the playoffs.

Wheelman said:

He did it against the Patriots last season. I don't know how many yards he got total but he definitely torched us on one or two deep balls.

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Talib was out that game i believe, and Sanders wasn't the only one who torched the patriots, as Cotchery had as many yards AND three tds.

KontradictioN said:

Browner is one of the toughest corners to get a clean release from in the NFL and got plagued by bogus PI calls in the Jets game. Otherwise, he showed the physicality at the LOS that has sometimes given Thomas trouble over his career. I don't see it as a sure thing that Thomas has a 100 yard game when he's trying to beat Browner off the press along the LOS while still contending with a top five safety with amazing range over the top. If the Patriots execute my plan and Thomas is contained while Revis completely locks down Sanders, Denver's offense is dead in the water. If not, the Patriots have the ability to slide Revis over to Thomas, Browner onto Julius Thomas, and Dennard on Sanders who may beat him deep if we're going man to man.

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Browner is good in the first five yards, but he can get burnt if he doesn't take out his receiver at the line. He misses the block on the line on D. Thomas and you are conceding the big play. Browner has always lined up at RCB for a reason. He is not good enough to cover teams' #1 receiver.

I would much rather have Revis line up on D. Thomas one on one and let Dennard cover Sanders with help over the top. D. Thomas is the far better player and much harder to cover than Sanders. Dennard usually gets beat deep with bigger WRs who can out muscle him, not faster, smaller WRs.

chasa said:

Common opponents between seattle and the patriots? hmm okay:

okay just checked. both teams have played 7 games, and of those 7 games they have no similar opponents.

Now lets check 2013 hawks to 2014 patriots.

wow.. of the 16 regular season games the seahawks played last year, none of them are matched to any of the 7 teams the pats have played this year.

Looks like doing what you asked me to do resulted in a whole lot of nothing useful to report, I guess you are wrong about everything.

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Yeah

Like I said, what a waste of my time.

Watch the game from last November, watch the Super Bowl, watch the Denver/Seattle game this year.......look at what BB did this off season and.......................believe it or not but read Kontradiction's posts on this thread.

Think real hard and maybe you might just come up with something worthwhile.

patsfanincleveland said:

Yeah

Like I said, what a waste of my time.
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I'm sorry i did EXACTLY what you asked, and it proved that you have either no idea what you are talking about, or you used the English language incorrectly.
Either way you are not worth having your posts seen