Amendola

Brewskies said:

You are projecting based on one game, let's not project into the future, we do have history of a year and a haft that negates your projection. IMO your case is dismissed. Let's wait until the present history turns the past history.

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Stop avoiding the question. I asked you why we should get rid of Amendola if he produces for the rest of the season? Projecting or not, you're avoiding an answer. I suspect it's your own bias that is the cause.

FTR, I don't particularly care if Amendola stays or he goes. Presently, his performances have not met expectations or his contract.

ausbacker said:

Stop avoiding the question. I asked you why we should get rid of Amendola if he produces for the rest of the season? Projecting or not, you're avoiding an answer. I suspect it's your own bias that is the cause.

FTR, I don't particularly care if Amendola stays or he goes. Presently, his performances have not met expectations or his contract.

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Are you asking whether we will Belichick will pay Amendola $4.375M in new money for his 2015 services if he produces for the rest of the year. It could happen, but I suspect that would take a lot of production.

ausbacker said:

Stop avoiding the question. I asked you why we should get rid of Amendola if he produces for the rest of the season? Projecting or not, you're avoiding an answer. I suspect it's your own bias that is the cause.

FTR, I don't particularly care if Amendola stays or he goes. Presently, his performances have not met expectations or his contract.

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ausbacker said:

Stop avoiding the question. I asked you why we should get rid of Amendola if he produces for the rest of the season? Projecting or not, you're avoiding an answer. I suspect it's your own bias that is the cause.

FTR, I don't particularly care if Amendola stays or he goes. Presently, his performances have not met expectations or his contract.

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No I have seen enough

mgteich said:

Are you asking whether we will Belichick will pay Amendola $4.375M in new money for his 2015 services if he produces for the rest of the year. It could happen, but I suspect that would take a lot of production.

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Yes, that is what I am asking. Is the price of Amendola, assuming (projecting) he performs for the rest of the season worth keeping him around? I tend to agree with your comment that it could happen but it would probably require Wes Welker-like production for the rest of the season.

Brewskies said:

No I have seen enough

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Thank you.

Brewskies said:

You are projecting based on one game, let's not project into the future, we do have history of a year and a haft that negates your projection. IMO your case is dismissed. Let's wait until the present history turns the past history.

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It's unfortunate that Amendola didn't live up to his contract, but he was the 2nd leading receiver last year and did catch 54 balls with a YPC of around 12.0. Amendola did his job for a guy making around 2--2.5m dollars.

It's possible that he stays on with a reduced salary, and if that's the case, then we should be fine with that.

It will all depend on how he plays for the rest of 2014 though. I'd have to imagine that he'll be offered to stay at a reduced salary. Whether or not he accepts that is anyone's guess.

I think what we saw in the early-season cluster-***** was this:

A) Very poor O-line play resulting in...
B) Brady lacking time and needing - in his mind - "sure thing" targets and open targets early in the progression, resulting in...
C) Horrible Brady numbers, and what we would call horrible play if it were any other QB, but also
D) One wide receiver - Edelman - really involved in the passing game. Please note that I am restricting this to wide receivers, not TEs and RBs.

Other than Edelman, all the WRs got **** for catches in those games.

Since then, when Brady said "The magic word is Trust, say the magic word and win better stats and media redemption," Edelman's been the sole focus less often. LaFell emerged, Tim Wright even got used (granted that's TE, but off-setting the Gronk Binkyism that still pertains,) and yes, Danny Amendola actually caught a TD.

That doesn't make Amendola what we all hoped he'd be, but like everybody here I'll pessimistically hope that he plays a complementary role the rest of the season. I'm past hoping he's going to be a focal point. I don't think I ever doubted Edelmensch. But he's at the ceiling of what he can bring. You can't have everything. We don't have a top-20 wideout. Some teams have two. Eh well. In many years we've had a similar situation. The question has always been whether this team can win. The defense *may* have had the potential to be special, barring injury... but barring big surprises off the bench especially at LB, they'll struggle to be a middle-of-the-pack unit.

It's another year where Brady's got to make this offense work with what he's got. Losing Conally, Ridley, and Mayo was big, but I think we end up with a flawed playoff team, not a collapse resembling the early season. We shall see.

If we end up in the super bowl this year, it won't be a "destiny" SB like 2007 was supposed to be, it would be an "out of the blue" SB like 2001. Right now even if we're 5-2 I'm still concerned about that playoff berth.

Oh sorry this involves Amendola somehow, as in, Brady using him would be more an indicator than a causal factor - Brady hitting the open guy, rather than Brady leaning on 2 binkies, gives the Pats some unpredictability and keeps teams honest. If he's got time to hit other receivers, good things happen.

Done.

if amendola performs the rest of the season, I would have no problem with re-structuring his contract to reduced numbers and re-signing him as a 3rd WR....especially if our guys like Dobson/boyce/tyms havent developed to that point.

the way WR's are developed/have success here if we can have someone who gets the system and produces I would hold onto them like grim death.

It baffles me why people spend so much energy worrying about players salaries, injuries and past draft positions. If they pick up three receivers at home depot that lead us to the Super Bowl, that's better than high priced free agents or three #1 draft picks to me. Then see where you are next year.

I think we have a versatile group of talents that could evolve into a great 3-4 max rotation, which is all they're going to get anyway with our two good receiving tight ends and Vereen.

Couldn't care less who gets left on a shelf if we have that.

he doesn't make that TD catch and they settle for FG..they lose that game vs jets. That right there makes up for doing noting a lot of the time this year

supafly said:

It's unfortunate that Amendola didn't live up to his contract, but he was the 2nd leading receiver last year and did catch 54 balls with a YPC of around 12.0. Amendola did his job for a guy making around 2--2.5m dollars.

It's possible that he stays on with a reduced salary, and if that's the case, then we should be fine with that.

It will all depend on how he plays for the rest of 2014 though. I'd have to imagine that he'll be offered to stay at a reduced salary. Whether or not he accepts that is anyone's guess.

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I did not oppose the signing of Amendola, him playing this year, and will not criticize if the team decides to keep him another year. However, it is grossly misleading to suggest that all he was paid for 2013 was "$2-2.5M".

Did Amendola do his job for $8.375M, the amount he actually received in 2013? To put ir another way, if the team parts company with Amendola after this season, how likely is it that his services were worth $13.750M for the two years?

2013
Please check how much MONEY Amendola received in 2013. You cannot just look at the salary on a multi-year contract. I would say that he was given $10.375M for 2013 services and future options, since $2M of 2014 of 2014 was guaranteed. At minimum, he was given $8.375M for 2013.

2014
The decision for 2014 was whether to pay Amendola $1.375M of new money ($2m of his salary was guaranteed) for his 2014 services and an option on future services. Given the need at WR, it seemed right to keep Amendola for basically the cost of a minimum JAG veteran. Of course, if we could have traded him during the pre-season, the team could have saved $3M of cap room. It seems likely that someone might have given a 7th for Amendola.

Bottom line, the team decided to pay Amendola $3.375M for 2014.

2015
Amendola would be paid $4.375M of new money or not.

2016
Amendola would be paid $5.375M of new money, or not.

2017
Amendola would be paid $6.5M of new money, or not.

mgteich said:

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I did not oppose the signing of Amendola, him playing this year, and will not criticize if the team decides to keep him another year. However, it is grossly misleading to suggest that all he was paid for 2013 was "$2-2.5M".

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The premise of my post was that he would be fine staying here on a paycut.

I never claimed that Amendola was paid 2--2.5, I said that he did NOT live up to his contract and would have been fine on a pact making 2--2.5.

EDIT: I can see why you'd have taken it that way, but you overlooked the point of the post and ran with the first or second sentence.

Amendola runs very precise complimentary routes we might not notice from our living room Couch but BB and McDaniels can see it from the Coaches tape. On one of those Offense Breakdowns this week Brady threw a pass to Gronk down middle for a Big gainer; same play Amendola was wide open for a TD...he did a ankle breaker on DB don't think Brady saw him I mean Gronk was open already. That said Amendola is doing things that doesn't show up on the stat sheet. His lack of production is not a result from his abilities but more so from a lack of Targets. The most Danny have been targeted is 6 times that being the opener in Miami game after that 3 times in the Jets game his best game and most to date. I say with our Offense coming around with a healthy Beast mode Gronk. If Teams try to take Gronk or Edelman away, LaFell has already benefited...sooner or later Amendola will too. His route running and discipline compliments the other Receivers routes. Patsfans it might seem like Amendola is doing noting out there because of his sub par sats but Brady and our Coaches will tell you differently. I think Demver will Scheme to try to contain Gronk which will open things up for our others Receivers. I for one won't be shocked if Amendola show up Big time on the Stat sheet this week or more is the Second haflf of the season baring injuries.

NG Pats Fan said:

Bill needs to hire a WR scout. He is absolutely horrible at evaluating talent at the WR position. Bill needs to stop looking for short, slow slot receivers, and go after a 6'4" fast talented physical wide wr.

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Yeah, he really screwed up the way he projected Edelman would transform into a pro wide receiver. I remember he signed this other small, slow, white guy from the Dolphins in 2007, or so. He messed that one up, too. Brady needs those big, fast guys. If he had a couple more, he might have had a shot at being a Hall of Fame QB. Oh, well...

Brady6 said:

Danny Amendola has been targeted 15 times resulting in – 7 catches, 46.66% catch ratio, 47 yards, 6.7 average, and 1 touchdown, in his last 12 games he has a grand total of 13 catches dating back to last season. I am not sure what he could do in the next 8 weeks plus the playoffs to justify being kept next season but it would have to be something along the lines of Super Bowl MVP. Considering Brady did not even target him last week and his 2 catches for 5 yards occurred in garbage time with Garopollo at QB I do not think production is in his future.

This is Amendola’s cap figure for 2015 - $5,575,000. What would he have to do to justify that in your opinion? In my opinion, your statement that he has not lived up to his contract is the understatement of the year, and I cannot see any way that he can all of a sudden do it.

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I agree, mostly.

Should point out, though, that Amendola's line would be 11 catches on 19 targets for 112 yards if not for the ridiculous penalties. I've never seen anything like it.

That's a 58% catch rate, and 10+ YPC, which is more like it...

But still, YES, way below what he needs to do to earn that salary.

Jackson 2 said:

Yeah, he really screwed up the way he projected Edelman would transform into a pro wide receiver. I remember he signed this other small, slow, white guy from the Dolphins in 2007, or so. He messed that one up, too. Brady needs those big, fast guys. If he had a couple more, he might have had a shot at being a Hall of Fame QB. Oh, well...

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The funniest part is that the post indicated the solution is distinguishing between "short, slow slot" receivers and "[tall], fast talented" ones.

Quick! Someone get this information to Bill, stat!

Hate to beat a dead horse here but I can't stand how Amendola gets significant snaps over Dobson and Tyms.

New England Pride said:

Hate to beat a dead horse here but I can't stand how Amendola gets significant snaps over Dobson and Tyms.

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I'm with you on Dobson. Fine Dobson's anticipated role has been taken over by LaFell. However I firmly believe he should be the next guy after Edelman/LaFell. I'm burning with curiosity as to why he's not playing. I don't think he has regressed. Something behind the scenes.

I would cut the bum and utilize the salary cap savings to re-sign Shane Vereen.

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