Can the Pats do right for Brady at this critical juncture?

Absolute KEY players on D going down like flies and it wouldn't surprise me if most aren't banged up given the way they've been playing because with that talent there is no way they should be looking like they're looking.

However this all links nicely into what Pats fans (no pun intended) have been crying out for: HELP FOR TOM.
I'm sorry but when you see a name like Vincent Jackson pop up you have to make that leap because he is a STUD and has been for years it's just he's been stuck in Tampa with no QB worth a lick to mention. Legitimate deep threat with amazing hands, ridiculous body control and nose for the end zone.

I'm sick to death of talking about cap space, it's there for a reason and that's to use it. If Tampa potentially just wants rid of his contract and would like just a 3rd round pick then i think it's fair to say this is a no brainer if you're Bill and let's put it this way there is not one single 3rd rounder in this years draft that i would have over a VJax who is in mid season form right now.

The best way to ease the troubles on D? Very simple: improve on O and take the pressure off.

It's a team game, your obsession with "OMG HELP TOM!!!!" is pretty ridiculous and goes against what is a pretty obvious team over individual way of running the team the Patriots clearly have.

This isn't Madden, you can't just bring in a receiver and they know the entire route tree, terminology and develop trust/chemistry with the QB instantly. Would Vincent Jackson be a nice addition? In a perfect world, yes but what are the chances he can pick up the Offense, gain the trust of Brady and get in sync by the time the playoffs come round, never mind the rest of the season?

Despite a couple of bad games, the Patriots have the #7 scoring Offense in the NFL, if you want to "do right for Brady" then get a RB in who who can pound the rock 30 times a game if need be.

At the end of the day, Bill Belichick knows what's best for the team, not posters on here - if he thinks Vincent Jackson can come in and get it done from the get go and into the following years AND at a cost deemed acceptable, then he would pull the trigger on a deal to get him, the same goes with players in any other position on the team.

I must admit, Jackson, Edelman, LaFell coupled with Gronkowski and Wright is a sexy 3WR, 2TE set.

I would love for the Patriots to trade for Jackson but I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I am fine with the O running through Gronk and Minitron provided the OL continues to improve.

the O is coming around..whether you like it or not

Big-T said:

It's a team game, your obsession with "OMG HELP TOM!!!!" is pretty ridiculous and goes against what is a pretty obvious team over individual way of running the team the Patriots clearly have.

This isn't Madden, you can't just bring in a receiver and they know the entire route tree, terminology and develop trust/chemistry with the QB instantly. Would Vincent Jackson be a nice addition? In a perfect world, yes but what are the chances he can pick up the Offense, gain the trust of Brady and get in sync by the time the playoffs come round, never mind the rest of the season?

Despite a couple of bad games, the Patriots have the #7 scoring Offense in the NFL, if you want to "do right for Brady" then get a RB in who who can pound the rock 30 times a game if need be.

At the end of the day, Bill Belichick knows what's best for the team, not posters on here - if he thinks Vincent Jackson can come in and get it done from the get go and into the following years AND at a cost deemed acceptable, then he would pull the trigger on a deal to get him, the same goes with players in any other position on the team.

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My problem is talent. We need talent because the other AFC contenders let alone NFC have an abundance of it and seeing as we are getting to the point of decimated on D with no Mayo or Jones then i'm sorry getting better on O and drastically better might i add with someone like Jackson is one way to go about it.

I'm pretty sure there is no FA RB out there right now that can help us, we suck in the run game without Ridley, end of. Unless Vereen shows he can be a ball carrier extraordinare then that's the facts. So how about just doing what makes sense and pick up or trade for some o-linemen to help out and give Tom a pocket to launch balls to Gronk, Edelman AND Vjax...

People who claim that the Pats are cheap and never spend up to the cap don't know what they are talking about.

Defense wins championships. It is no coincidence that our defense started sucking in 2005 and that's when we stopped winning championships.

It's no coincidence that we were offensive powerhouses compared to the Giants in 2007 and 2011 and we walked away while confetti fell on Eli's ******ed face.

We were tied for 2nd in points per game last year. Lot of good that did us.

Denver blew up records all over the place until they met the Seahawks amazing defense in the SB. Lot of good those records and gaudy offensive stats got them.

The best thing this team can do to 'help' Tom is to field a defense capable of not making him have to do all the work when it comes to putting another ring on his finger.

fnordcircle said:

Defense wins championships. It is no coincidence that our defense started sucking in 2005 and that's when we stopped winning championships.

It's no coincidence that we were offensive powerhouses compared to the Giants in 2007 and 2011 and we walked away while confetti fell on Eli's ******ed face.

We were tied for 2nd in points per game last year. Lot of good that did us.

Denver blew up records all over the place until they met the Seahawks amazing defense in the SB. Lot of good those records and gaudy offensive stats got them.

The best thing this team can do to 'help' Tom is to field a defense capable of not making him have to do all the work when it comes to putting another ring on his finger.

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Chandler will be back, so in reality only Mayo is a goner for the season. Our pass D is one of the best in the league so if you're asking me what puts the Pats over the top in a SB? A deep threat and getting to the opposition QB.

Patriots are not far off....

1. Trading for Jackson, if the deal were reasonable, would be a fine risk to take
2. The team has lost its starting RB and MLB, and its best pass rusher, so additions at one or more of several other positions would be potentially helpful, and perhaps more beneficial than the addition of even a high-quality WR.

The two above points are not mutually exclusive.

This is such an overuse and USELESS argument.

In order to improve a team, the basic premise is you take the weakest part and then improve. That gives the "biggest bang for the buck." Everyone that has ever served on a leadership position or had any experience whatsoever knows this. Coach BB knows this and has been working in order to improve the worst position which was/is defense with trust and faith in Brady that he will maintain the level of the offense regardless of talent. Remember with less talent we were the #3 offense last year and we are already seeing glimpses of this this year. Also, due to the talent (coaching and player) he treats the first 6-8 games of the season as a preseason. Be honest, when is the last time in the second half of the year that the offense is the reason we lost a game?

Can we PLEASE use our brains and think before being back-seat GMs?

How does a WR help a defense full of injuries ?

Galeb said:

People who claim that the Pats are cheap and never spend up to the cap don't know what they are talking about.

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To be fair...they were last in the NFL this year in spending this season up to the cap as IIRC Miguel the cap guru pointed out. Jets were last until the Harvin trade. Pats now last in that category. Have lots of $$ left over still.

They arn't cheap as just look..they are paying a CB 12 mill this year. But will they sign him long term when they prob should? I hope.

McCourty is due for a big deal..same as revis around 13 mil a year if he wants to stick around

Brady_to_Moss said:

To be fair...they were last in the NFL this year in spending this season up to the cap as IIRC Miguel the cap guru pointed out. Jets were last until the Harvin trade. Pats now last in that category. Have lots of $$ left over still.

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It's an interesting but largely meaningless stat.

There's very little correlation between that number and making the playoffs.

fnordcircle said:

Defense wins championships. It is no coincidence that our defense started sucking in 2005 and that's when we stopped winning championships.

It's no coincidence that we were offensive powerhouses compared to the Giants in 2007 and 2011 and we walked away while confetti fell on Eli's ******ed face.

We were tied for 2nd in points per game last year. Lot of good that did us.

Denver blew up records all over the place until they met the Seahawks amazing defense in the SB. Lot of good those records and gaudy offensive stats got them.

The best thing this team can do to 'help' Tom is to field a defense capable of not making him have to do all the work when it comes to putting another ring on his finger.

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Defense did only give up 17 and 19 pts in those Super Bowls. Offense was the primary reason they lost those games.

I dont know if improving the offense will compensate for the defense. You can look at the jet game. Offense was fine, but never had the ball much. Doesnt matter who is catching the ball. Need to fix the defense. We can add all world weapons but they will fail without a defense.

Need to pound the rock. If we can't the Ridley injury is honestly more devastating than the Mayo one.

Brady_to_Moss said:

To be fair...they were last in the NFL this year in spending this season up to the cap as IIRC Miguel the cap guru pointed out. Jets were last until the Harvin trade. Pats now last in that category. Have lots of $$ left over still.

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They're last in cash spending, which is the accounting number where Brady only counts for $2M despite his $14M cap hit. OverTheCap has the Patriots with the 8th most cap room, which happens to be right between the Broncos and the Seahawks.

The "accounting number" is the $14million cap hit. The actual spending is $2m. It's a significant down year for actual payout, as well as for the cap a/k/a "accounting" number. This takes us back to the importance of looking at longer terms than just single seasons, a la that Forbes magazine article from a few years back, where the Patriots were 10th in actual spending.

Put me down for shoring up both the defense AND the offense if at all possible.

People keep saying Jackson is a deep threat. When I think deep threat I think of a burner who can get behind the corners and/or safeties, but maybe that's just me. Jackson is by no means a burner, he's a good possession guy (although he does have questionable hands sometimes) and a big body you can lob it up to. I wouldn't mind it if we traded for him I guess but he's basically Brandon Lafell and I think we have far bigger needs than receiver right now.