Vincent Jackson on the trade block?

Deus Irae said:

Anyone saying this team is set at WR needs to be drug tested immediately. Furthermore, you help yourself where you can. If trading for Jackson would be more help than trading for someone at another position, you take the WR.

That being said...

If Tampa really is getting a lot of calls on Jackson, his price will probably be higher that BB is willing to pay.

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Deus,

Your Idee Fixe is that you need a #1 WR, at all cost. The Pats receiving corps include two of the League's best at their positions of TE, & Slot receiver, that you dismiss.

Plus there is little to no correlation between #1 WRs, and Super Bowl victories. The evidence may actually indicate the negative correlation.

AzPatsFan said:

Deus,

Your Idee Fixe is that you need a #1 WR, at all cost. The Pats receiving corps include two of the League's best at their positions of TE, & Slot receiver, that you dismiss.

Plus there is little to no correlation between #1 WRs, and Super Bowl victories. The evidence may actually indicate the negative correlation.

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Let's face it, most if not all of us would like Vincent Jackson on the Patriots. I suspect most of that reasoning comes from the fact that Aaron Dobson, for one reason or another, hasn't developed as fast as most here would have hoped.

I'm not going to lie. I wanted the Patriots to sign Jackson when he became a Free Agent but given the choice between a healthy Gronkowski and V-Jax, I'm choosing the greatest offensive weapon in the game.

For mine, the Patriots needs to improve the situation at LB before WR. Hell, I'd love them to offer a haul for McCoy and Jackson to the Bucs then kick Easley to DE. That said, I wouldn't scoff at acquiring Jackson I just don't think it's going to happen.

Going by Miguel's number we are at 9.1m under the cap. If there was a trade involving Vincent Jackson, presumably we would have to send someone back to make the cap number work, or wait until the trade deadline so that VJAX total against the cap would be less (If we prorate from the trade deadline for example). Please correct me if I'm wrong however.
http://patscap.com/

AzPatsFan said:

Deus,

Your Idee Fixe is that you need a #1 WR, at all cost. The Pats receiving corps include two of the League's best at their positions of TE, & Slot receiver, that you dismiss.

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Stop making this false claim.

Bobs My Uncle said:

It doesn't. My "ouch" response was merely me expressing my reaction when I found out that so many top picks have been used on a defense that has been pretty futile for far too long now.

Whether the performance problems on defense are related to coaching or drafting, or both, I have no clue.

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If you see no improvement in the Defense, your powers of observation are questionable. That does not mean that they don't need two good startable reserves at DE and LB. Plus a Draft of a good Big DT to groom behind Vince.

You can accomplish that in one Draft and/or vet Free Agency, along with drafting another good Offensive lineman, to groom behind Connolly.

Deus Irae said:

Stop making this false claim.

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Who is better at complete TE for blocking and catching?
Who is a better at Slot Receiver, now in 2014 and not 2007?

Nobody.
Plus Vereen is among the most talented receiving RBs too?

How can a receiving corps having 2 out of3 of the League's best be "Poor"

Deus Irae said:

Ok, so now you don't know what an OC/DC does, you don't undertand talent acquisition v. talent development AND you don't know what "deflection" means.

Seriously, you're clowning yourself with every post.

And don't keep tossing out the red herring of the 12 draft picks, because you either know that's a nonsensical argument or you're brain dead.

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So now your resorting to insults because you can't answer my question.

You don't know as much as you think you do. It's hilarious that you carry yourself here like you know more. No one takes you seriously. No one here should take anyone here seriously. But you've deluded yourself into thinking your opinion matters by the way you interact with others. Like you really think your every stance is right lol.

Deus Irae said:

I'm not sure what you mean with this. The Patriots have the space for his contract, which would be for less than $10m per year (through 2016). Revis' deal, with its $25m cap hit, is the big issue moving forward.

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What about the cost of Vince's understudy and the needed good depth vet FAs at LB and DE. Or another premium Offensive lineman. Plus the cost of re-signing Revis, McCourty, Ghost and Vereen/Ridley?

condon84 said:

Do you think Patricia is a good DC?

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Yes !!

Deus Irae said:

Lavonte David for Tavon Wilson


It's time to fix that 2012 draft blunder.

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tavon wilson. lol

wtf was belichick thinking?? ************.

AzPatsFan said:

Who is better at complete TE for blocking and catching?
Who is a better at Slot Receiver, now in 2014 and not 2007?

Nobody.
Plus Vereen is among the most talented receiving RBs too?

How can a receiving corps having 2 out of3 of the League's best be "Poor"

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The false claim is "Your Idee Fixe is that you need a #1 WR, at all cost".

condon84 said:

So now your resorting to insults because you can't answer my question.

You don't know as much as you think you do. It's hilarious that you carry yourself here like you know more. No one takes you seriously. No one here should take anyone here seriously. But you've deluded yourself into thinking your opinion matters by the way you interact with others. Like you really think your every stance is right lol.

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None of what I posted was an insult. It was simple, accurate observation based directly on your posts in this thread.

Now, if you want to talk personal insults, take a look of your paragraph. In the meantime, perhaps you can explain the jobs of the CB coach and safety coach, and please also explain what Dante used to do, since you apparently don't think position coaches are responsible for positional players.

Meanwhile, if the Bucs are listening, the Patriots should be talking. A lot.
Jackson would be the perfect half-year rental for the Patriots.
Aaron Dobson – the guy most similar to Jackson – is still laboring to make up for lost time thanks to the stress fracture in his foot and has seen just four balls thrown to him so far this year.
The Patriots have the cap room to easily deal with the rest of Jackson’s 2013 salary, and if New England didn’t want to pay Jackson at the 2015 rate the Bucs negotiated, they could release him with no further damage. Or they could renegotiate a new deal with him.

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http://www.csnne.com/blog/patriots-talk/patriots-need-make-run-bucs-jackson

AzPatsFan said:

Plus there is little to no correlation between #1 WRs, and Super Bowl victories. The evidence may actually indicate the negative correlation.

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If we're using "on par with Jackson" to mean WR1...

2013 Seahawks - No
2012 Ravens - No
2011 Giants - Cruz
2010 Packers - Jennings
2009 Saints - Colston
2008 Steelers - Ward
2007 Giants - Burress
2006 Colts - Wayne, Harrison
2005 Steelers - Ward
2004 Patriots - No
2003 Patriots - No
2002 Buccaneers - No (maybe Keyshawn?)
2001 Ravens - No
2000 Rams - Holt, Bruce
1999 Broncos - Smith
1998 Broncos - Smith

The 1998-1999 Broncos and 2001 Ravens featured Shannon Sharpe, a Hall of Fame tight end, as their #1 target.

And then you have a bunch of Cowboys and Niners victories with Irvin and Rice. There's certainly not a "negative" correlation, especially when you consider the Super Bowl runner ups in a lot of these years, given that winning a game is often a function of randomness.

primetime said:

If we're using "on par with Jackson" to mean WR1...

2013 Seahawks - No
2012 Ravens - No
2011 Giants - Cruz
2010 Packers - Jennings
2009 Saints - Colston
2008 Steelers - Ward
2007 Giants - Burress
2006 Colts - Wayne, Harrison
2005 Steelers - Ward
2004 Patriots - No
2003 Patriots - No
2002 Buccaneers - No (maybe Keyshawn?)
2001 Ravens - No
2000 Rams - Holt, Bruce
1999 Broncos - Smith
1998 Broncos - Smith

The 1998-1999 Broncos and 2001 Ravens featured Shannon Sharpe, a Hall of Fame tight end, as their #1 target.

And then you have a bunch of Cowboys and Niners victories with Irvin and Rice. There's certainly not a "negative" correlation, especially when you consider the Super Bowl runner ups in a lot of these years, given that winning a game is often a function of randomness.

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Burress, are you joking? Keyshawn was suspended from the Bucs that season, so no.
Cruz, Jennings, Ward and Colston are not considered star #1 WRs by most people.

VJCPatriot said:

Going by Miguel's number we are at 9.1m under the cap. If there was a trade involving Vincent Jackson, presumably we would have to send someone back to make the cap number work, or wait until the trade deadline so that VJAX total against the cap would be less (If we prorate from the trade deadline for example). Please correct me if I'm wrong however.
http://patscap.com/

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Thought Pats would only have to pay 9 or 10 weeks of the 17. Which would be $5.20-$5.75m

AndyJohnson said:

Burress, are you joking? Keyshawn was suspended from the Bucs that season, so no.
Cruz, Jennings, Ward and Colston are not considered star #1 WRs by most people.

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Burress had 70 catches for over 1000 yards and 12 TDs in 2007, arguably better than Jackson's best season. Pretty sure that makes him a #1 WR.

Keyshawn had 76 and played a full season in 2002 (and was a year removed from a 106 catch, 1200 yard season); he was suspended for a large part of the next year when the Patriots won the Super Bowl.

Those guys all had production on par or better than Vincent Jackson, whom this thread is about.

Probably should go and get him now that Chandler Jones could be dealing with a hip injury the rest of the season. Gotta make the offense better to help the defense some.

Why do people still call Edelman a slot wide out? He plays outside all the time.

Froob said:

Why do people still call Edelman a slot wide out? He plays outside all the time.

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Swiss Army receiver is a more apt description.