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They don't need to be as good as last year on O if their D plays like that that's the thing


They will end up beating the Chargers Thursday night. But lose in SD. Chargers needed that W vs Chiefs IMO

Yeah, but they won't be facing mediocre offenses like the 49ers every week. The 49ers' offense isn't very good. And don't forget that some of the Broncos' best defensive plays were dropped balls by wide open 49er receivers like Boldin's dropped catch that would have been a TD and Davis wide open up the seam.

Speaking up the seam, that looks to be a huge liability for the Broncos. I think teams with good to great TEs might be able to exploit that a lot and often. At least until Travathan comes back, if he comes back.
 
Because not every team can keep every player? Why did the Broncos let Decker walk? Why did the Pats let Talib and Blount walk?

Ever hear of a guy named.......Revis?

Are you seriously going to use Talib as your example? What paint are you sniffing?

The Browns are tens of millions under the cap. They let Ward walk because he was always injured and he sucks in coverage. Why is that so impossible to understand?
 
Other than the fact they scored more points last year (37.9 PPG in 2013 vs. 31.5 PPG in 2014), had more yards per game (457.3 YPG in 2013 and 395 YPG in 2014), better converting third downs (46.3% in 2013 vs. 44.3% in 2014), and almost every significant category for offense; I concede they are clearly as good on offense. :rolleyes:
Fine lets really compare year to year.
2013 ---- 2014
Balt ---- Colts
Giants ---- Chiefs
Oakland---- Seattle
Philly ---- AZ
Dallas ---- Jets
Jacks ---- 49ers

Now is there a reason offensive production is more last year than this year?
Let me give you a hint...Not one team was in the playoffs last year. As opposed to this year there will be a minimum of 4 teams by the way 4 of those teams arguably have the best D's in football as we speak. And Denver is 5-1 against those teams and barley lost to Seattle on the road.
Thanks for playin.
 
Ever hear of a guy named.......Revis?

Are you seriously going to use Talib as your example? What paint are you sniffing?

The Browns are tens of millions under the cap. They let Ward walk because he was always injured and he sucks in coverage. Why is that so impossible to understand?

What the hell does Revis have to do with whether or not Denver improved THEMSELVES? Plus, the Pats only signed Revis after Talib was gone, so if your point is that they let Talib walk because they got Revis, well...no.
 
Fine lets really compare year to year.
2013 ---- 2014
Balt ---- Colts
Giants ---- Chiefs
Oakland---- Seattle
Philly ---- AZ
Dallas ---- Jets
Jacks ---- 49ers

Now is there a reason offensive production is more last year than this year?
Let me give you a hint...Not one team was in the playoffs last year. As opposed to this year there will be a minimum of 4 teams by the way 4 of those teams arguably have the best D's in football as we speak.
Thanks for playin.

LOL! You will try to spin any fact that doesn't go your way rather than just admitting you are wrong.

First none of the teams in 2014 they have played are in the playoffs yet and if the season ended today, four of the six teams they played would be out of the playoffs (Chiefs, Jets, 49ers, and Seahawks).

Second, the numbers from last year are for the entire season which means when they played in the cold and the elements when most offenses slow down. This year's team has mostly played in good weather and most importantly at home.

That brings me to the third point. The Broncos have only played two games on the road and in both games their offense has struggled. In Seattle, the Broncos went the first three quarters scoring only 3 points. Against the Jets, they struggled on offense too only scoring 24 points and one drive started on the Jets' side of the field. Let's see how this offense travels with six of their last ten games on the road. So far, the offense hasn't traveled very well.
 
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Yeah, but they won't be facing mediocre offenses like the 49ers every week. The 49ers' offense isn't very good. And don't forget that some of the Broncos' best defensive plays were dropped balls by wide open 49er receivers like Boldin's dropped catch that would have been a TD and Davis wide open up the seam.

Speaking up the seam, that looks to be a huge liability for the Broncos. I think teams with good to great TEs might be able to exploit that a lot and often. At least until Travathan comes back, if he comes back.

Up the seam is where Gronk meets Ward, and we remember what happened last time that happened. ...
 
LOL! You will try to spin any fact that doesn't go your way rather than just admitting you are wrong.

You can have your phoney numbers I'll have mine. Last year the average closing Vegas line was Denver -11 points, never the underdog for the first 6 games of the season.
This year the average Vegas closing line is Denver -7. One time this year were underdogs.
Vegas confirms what Im telling you they had a much harder 6 games this year than last.
So your stronger offense last year than this year is BS.
Check out point differential at the end of the year.
 
What the hell does Revis have to do with whether or not Denver improved THEMSELVES? Plus, the Pats only signed Revis after Talib was gone, so if your point is that they let Talib walk because they got Revis, well...no.

Torture yourself and read your post on keeping players.

The Patriots only offered Talib a heavy incentive contract. He walked and BB went for who he really wanted. Did Denver "improve"? Maybe but football is not in a vacuum.

Football is a game of matchups.

Seattle matched up very well with Denver. The reality is the only team that had a better yards per play posted it in Foxboro last November. Had you watched that game and ever displayed an ability to evaluate with a reasonable IQ.....you would realize that a better offense was shut down by a lesser defense.

Granted this most likely sails way over your head but that's really where the concept of "improved" needs to go. In the end, this is a Patriots board.
 
You can have your phoney numbers I'll have mine. Last year the average closing Vegas line was Denver -11 points, never the underdog for the first 6 games of the season.
This year the average Vegas closing line is Denver -7. One time this year were underdogs.
Vegas confirms what Im telling you they had a much harder 6 games this year than last.
So your stronger offense last year than this year is BS.
Check out point differential at the end of the year.

I thought you were going to do us all a massive favor and not post again.
 
Torture yourself and read your post on keeping players.

The Patriots only offered Talib a heavy incentive contract. He walked and BB went for who he really wanted. Did Denver "improve"? Maybe but football is not in a vacuum.

Football is a game of matchups.

Seattle matched up very well with Denver. The reality is the only team that had a better yards per play posted it in Foxboro last November. Had you watched that game and ever displayed an ability to evaluate with a reasonable IQ.....you would realize that a better offense was shut down by a lesser defense.

Granted this most likely sails way over your head but that's really where the concept of "improved" needs to go. In the end, this is a Patriots board.

Yeah, well, I can pretty much guarantee I've been watching the Pats longer than you have. But you're not interested in discussing anything in a civil manner, so I'm done with you.
 
I dont know about last yr. But this year they are certainly playing more consistently than the pats. Pats have had more issues to solve than the broncos. Their offense is still very smooth with sanders replacing decker and defense is certainly much better.They gave up 48 pts last yr to the cowboys. The #s maybe different but they are still good. I would not put them in the overrated category.
 
Brother I posted my appreciation many times.There is no other team in the history of the league that has done what the Pats have done over this last 14 years. We talk about winning SBs while other teams talk about making the playoffs.BB is probably the best coach ever.And 1 more SB win will cement tha along with Brady being the best QB ever that's why I m pissed about what they've done this year.

5-2 and you are pissed?? You must be one of those fans that found this club in 2001. You have no idea what it's like to be pissed about a team, not a clue. Last year we went 12-4, I can remember a time when it took four ****ing seasons to win 13 games.
 
After going through this entire thread (just shoot me), it seems very clear to me that somebody is extremely upset over some lost NFL wagers. I can't really think of any other reason why what team has covered and which team has not would be brought up multiple times.
 
But Minnesota and Oakland haven't had the best quarterback and coach in the league for a period of 10 years without a Super Bowl. that's what upsets us "knee jerk" reaction fans. Would you, and the others who criticize the "crybabies", have not traded a super bowl in 2011 for an 8-8 or 7-9 season in 2012? I've said it a million times before - Krafty Bob would rather have 4 straight afc east titles and one super bowl loss than a super bowl title, two afc east titles, and two 7-9/6-10 seasons. At some point the Pats become the Atlanta Braves or Buffalo Bills. Fans like me just say resign Asante Samuel and don't try to replace him with 12 3rd and 4th round picks, don't trade Richard Seymour, really go after Emmanuel Sanders, resign Welker. Kraft has the money/salary cap space. Belichick is so obsessed with having "quality" at the bottom of the roster I sometimes think they forsake other parts of the team.
We're dissatisfied with the current team because we don't see week to week improvement with the team. The team has played 7 games and thus far they've looked "good" for maybe 6 total quarters. They flashed the second half of Buffalo and pretty much the entire Cin game; other than that, how can anyone be impressed/satisfied with who the Pats have played? Sure, wins are wins, but is there reason for optimism? No sane thinker, looking at how the teams have played thus far, could say the Denver would not come in here against the Pats passive defense and keep the ball for 40 minutes and put up 35 points. Remember, the Patriots didn't make the NYJ punt until the second half! Don't forget, in his last 3 games vs the Patriots, Manning has lit up the the Pats - something like 850 yards, 7 tds and only 1 int. and that includes a game in which the Pats let Denver run all day and when Manning had to throw he sliced and diced the passive defense for a td to tie the game in cold windy weather. Belichick is no longer "in Manning's head." Once Polian whined to the league, Manning started shredding Belichick defenses.
We're dissatisfied with the team because they signed the best corner in the league and we thought there'd be this transformed defense, but no, it's the same old Pats defense letting Derek Carr and Geno Smith convert third down after third down, It's the same old Pats defense that cannot apply consistent pressure with a 4 man rush, it's the same old Pats defense that is afraid of mobile quarterbacks. The Pats, right now, are an average defense - #12 in total yards, #12 in points, #25 in 3d down %, #18 in opponent's time of possession...the list of mediocre and unimpressive data goes on.
The fact remains, the Pats have never really went out and spent money and signed an offensive skill player to a big contract - Moss, Welker (who was pretty much a nobody when the pats got him), and Corey Dillon were all trades and the players signed low risk, team-friendly contracts.
Personally I'm dissatisfied because I've been a Boston Sports fan all my life and two of our biggest rivals can claim they are the model franchise in their sport - the NY Yankees and Montreal Canadiens. I'm 40 years old and although I've seen four Celtics titles, there's also been some awful, bottom of the barrel basketball for the majority of the time I've been watching.
The 2007 season was the chance for all Boston sports fans to puff out their chest and say "we're the best" - and there could be no argument. I suspect many of the folks on Patsfans telling us to "appreciate" all these AFC East Titles aren't Boston sports fans - they probably live elsewhere and "picked" the Patriots as there favorite team. These folks didn't feel the sting of the Bruins losing to Chicago two years ago and to f#cking Montreal last year or the pain of the Celtics losing to LA in '10 despite bringing a 3-2 lead back to LA.
Moral of the story? Look - the Red Sox sucked this year, but they won a World Series the year before...not many Sox fans are complaining about this year...I know I'm not...

I know you are glad that the Red Sox finished dead last. I know that you thought it was wonderful that they traded away all their basepath speed and outfield defense before the season for lead-footed "batting power". I know that you are happy that they traded away their entire pitching staff. I know that you listen to every PR word about how easy it is to replace an entire pitching staff.

I believe that you need to reconsider your apoplectic polemics, without even discussing your somewhat infantile ideas about the Patriots..
 
5-2 and you are pissed?? You must be one of those fans that found this club in 2001. You have no idea what it's like to be pissed about a team, not a clue. Last year we went 12-4, I can remember a time when it took four ****ing seasons to win 13 games.

So do I. I also remember being the equivalent of a Jets fan, and laughed at by all.
 
And Patriots fans would have hated a Demaryius Thomas pick for almost two full seasons. Thomas had a year where he was no good and another year where we don't know if he was any good because he was playing in a college-level offense. Peyton hand-picked the Broncos in time to reap the benefits of the Demaryius Thomas pick, without putting up with any of the growing pains that Brady would have had to.
Does that sound like Aaron Dobson or Julian Edelman after two years in the league ???
 
Plus, the Pats only signed Revis after Talib was gone, so if your point is that they let Talib walk because they got Revis, well...no.

But that's exactly happened. Broncos were in talks with Rogers-Cromartie to re-sign him, they had even offered him a deal and then all of a sudden Revis was going to be available which the Pats jumped on and then the Broncos switched their attention to Talib because Pats were getting Revis.

Talib signed late on March 11th. Revis was released March 12th and within a few hours signed with the Pats. Common sense says Pats knew they had Revis on March 11th. Jason Licht probably gave Belichick a few days heads up about it.

Pats moved on from Talib because they knew they had Revis.
 
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