Alvin "Bud" Dupree Scouting Report

midwestpatsfan · Oct 17, 2014

Hi all,
Just an FYI I got through several games from this year and last year of Dupree and have posted a scouting report on him. I know that he has been a topic of conversation, so lets here what you think of what I think of him.

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2014/10/scouting-report-alvin-bud-dupree-deolb-kentucky.html

mayoclinic · Oct 17, 2014

Thanks again for doing the legwork on these.

As a technical aside, I again am unable to view your video clips when bringing up your article using my default browser (Safari). I am able to see them when I use Firefox. I'm not sure how you are embedding the video clips - I don't have this issue with Safari for any other articles on NEpatriotsdraft.com.

Where do you think Dupree fits at the next level in general, and specifically for the Pats? Does he have the ability to develop into a base DE, or is he mainly a 3-4 OLB or sub rusher? Do you think that he has the discipline and intelligence required to succeed in BB's system? These are all questions I am struggling with with Dupree, who is a freakish athlete, and I'm not at all sure about the answers at this juncture. As such, he remains on my "prospects of interest" list but not at the top right now.

midwestpatsfan · Oct 18, 2014

mayoclinic said:
Thanks again for doing the legwork on these.

As a technical aside, I again am unable to view your video clips when bringing up your article using my default browser (Safari). I am able to see them when I use Firefox. I'm not sure how you are embedding the video clips - I don't have this issue with Safari for any other articles on NEpatriotsdraft.com.

Where do you think Dupree fits at the next level in general, and specifically for the Pats? Does he have the ability to develop into a base DE, or is he mainly a 3-4 OLB or sub rusher? Do you think that he has the discipline and intelligence required to succeed in BB's system? These are all questions I am struggling with with Dupree, who is a freakish athlete, and I'm not at all sure about the answers at this juncture. As such, he remains on my "prospects of interest" list but not at the top right now.

Thanks for the comments Mayo. As for the videos, I am not sure what is going on with that. I have asked several people and they all say they can see them just fine. I am just creating GIFs, so not sure the issue, but I will look into it.

The questions you ask about Dupree are the same ones I still have as well. Right now, if I had to make a guess at what he will end up being in the NFL I would say sub rusher right now. That is really all he is asked to do right now. He has the body type to be a 3-4 OLB, but has done nothing in college to show he has the actual skills to do it. I am interested to watch tonight's game against LSU to see if a team will actually run at him. It is crazy, but in all the games I watched, not very often did they run at him. I would like to see how he handles that.

BTW: Thanks for responding, I love good draft conversation and I hope this will continue throughout the year.

manxman2601 · Oct 18, 2014

Good review. I think I have Dupree ranked a little higher than you and Mayo and see him as a late first or second rounder. And spoiler alert, he's probably going to be in my next mock. The reason being that I see him as a potential Sam as well as a pass rusher and a linebacker/DE combo is a good way of killing two birds. In that respect, not only does he cover Nink and Chandler Jones but Hightower and Mayo (Hightower slides to MLB) too. He's the SLB version of Jamie Collins.

As an aside, I too can't see the embedded videos and I'm using Safari on iOS.

Well done again on the write up and the role at NEPD.

midwestpatsfan · Oct 18, 2014

grrrr!!! Okay, I will have to see why they are not showing up on Safari.

mayoclinic · Oct 18, 2014

manxman2601 said:
Good review. I think I have Dupree ranked a little higher than you and Mayo and see him as a late first or second rounder. And spoiler alert, he's probably going to be in my next mock. The reason being that I see him as a potential Sam as well as a pass rusher and a linebacker/DE combo is a good way of killing two birds. In that respect, not only does he cover Nink and Chandler Jones but Hightower and Mayo (Hightower slides to MLB) too. He's the SLB version of Jamie Collins.

I think that's the big question. Dupree clearly has the raw athleticism, and I could see the potential for him to become the "SLB version of Jamie Collins". THAT player would be well worth a late 1st/early 2nd in my book. But I could also see him limited to being a sub rusher. I agree with MWPF that I haven't seen him do that many different things - unlike Collins, who spent time at 3 different positions. It's a huge projection as to whether he has the intangibles and versatility to do all those other things, even though he clearly has the athletic ability.

Obviously, if Dupree could play some combination of DE, Sub Rusher, 3-4 OLB and 4-3 SAM, that would make him very, very interesting. Dante Fowler seems like he can do most of those things. Dupree may be even more athletic than Fowler, but I'm guessing he will end up being more limited as a player.

manxman2601 · Oct 18, 2014

mayoclinic said:
I think that's the big question. Dupree clearly has the raw athleticism, and I could see the potential for him to become the "SLB version of Jamie Collins". THAT player would be well worth a late 1st/early 2nd in my book. But I could also see him limited to being a sub rusher. I agree with MWPF that I haven't seen him do that many different things - unlike Collins, who spent time at 3 different positions. It's a huge projection as to whether he has the intangibles and versatility to do all those other things, even though he clearly has the athletic ability.

Obviously, if Dupree could play some combination of DE, Sub Rusher, 3-4 OLB and 4-3 SAM, that would make him very, very interesting. Dante Fowler seems like he can do most of those things. Dupree may be even more athletic than Fowler, but I'm guessing he will end up being more limited as a player.

You see, I see a player with Collin's athleticism and Easley's quickness at the snap and with the upside of positional versatility and am left thinking he's one of the more exciting prospects particularly because he looks to be at that Easley/Collins value point it early 2nd round.

mayoclinic · Oct 18, 2014

manxman2601 said:
You see, I see a player with Collin's athleticism and Easley's quickness at the snap and with the upside of positional versatility and am left thinking he's one of the more exciting prospects particularly because he looks to be at that Easley/Collins value point it early 2nd round.

He's definitely a very exciting prospect. I just haven't figured him out yet. Right now I rate him just below the following defensive prospects:

DE/DT Shawn Oakman
DE/DT Arik Armstead
LB Bernardrick McKinney
DE/OLB Dante Fowler

Athletically, and in terms of his ceiling, there's no doubt he belongs with those guys. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see him end up in the mix, but for now I'm just keeping a close eye on him. We don't disagree, you're just willing to bet a bit more on his upside right now than I am - which, ironically, usually the opposite of where we stand.

manxman2601 · Oct 18, 2014

mayoclinic said:
He's definitely a very exciting prospect. I just haven't figured him out yet. Right now I rate him just below the following defensive prospects:

DE/DT Shawn Oakman
DE/DT Arik Armstead
LB Bernardrick McKinney
DE/OLB Dante Fowler

Athletically, and in terms of his ceiling, there's no doubt he belongs with those guys. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see him end up in the mix, but for now I'm just keeping a close eye on him. We don't disagree, you're just willing to bet a bit more on his upside right now than I am - which, ironically, usually the opposite of where we stand.

I do seem to be on a bit of a LB/DE hybrid kick at the moment with Smith last year and Dupree/Hodges this year. I just went back and watched Dupree again and will say two things. Firstly Draft Breakdown only has 2013 tape and I need to watch him this year because he's supposed to be much improved. Secondly, if there's a faster front seven player in this years draft (over 245lbs) I'd be surprised. He shows astonishing speed chasing down from the backside.

As for your list, I'd rank him behind Oakman, marginally behind Fowler (although I'm struggling to justify why) and ahead of McKinney. I can't comment on Armstead who I've yet to watch.

mayoclinic · Oct 18, 2014

manxman2601 said:
I do seem to be on a bit of a LB/DE hybrid kick at the moment with Smith last year and Dupree/Hodges this year. I just went back and watched Dupree again and will say two things. Firstly Draft Breakdown only has 2013 tape and I need to watch him this year because he's supposed to be much improved. Secondly, if there's a faster front seven player in this years draft (over 245lbs) I'd be surprised. He shows astonishing speed chasing down from the backside.

As for your list, I'd rank him behind Oakman, marginally behind Fowler (although I'm struggling to justify why) and ahead of McKinney. I can't comment on Armstead who I've yet to watch.

To me those are 5 really interesting defensive players. I'd be thrilled to get any one of them, plus a solid offensive lineman.

How would you rate Dupree vs. Marcus Smith, who you liked so much last year?

manxman2601 · Oct 18, 2014

mayoclinic said:
To me those are 5 really interesting defensive players. I'd be thrilled to get any one of them, plus a solid offensive lineman.

How would you rate Dupree vs. Marcus Smith, who you liked so much last year?

Easily Dupree. I think DupRee's athleticism is elite. As for OL, I'm on the Cummings bandwagon. Dupree, Cummings, Odighizuwa and Tevin Coleman and I'm a happy man.

mayoclinic · Oct 18, 2014

manxman2601 said:
Easily Dupree. I think DupRee's athleticism is elite. As for OL, I'm on the Cummings bandwagon. Dupree, Cummings, Odighizuwa and Tevin Coleman and I'm a happy man.

Off the Abdullah bandwagon?

I would like (not in order of preference):

1. A base DE/DT. Shawn Oakman, Arik Armstead, and Owamagbe Odighizuwa are all on the short list.

2. A versatile LB/sub rusher who can play in space and play in multiple spots. Bernardrick McKinney, Dante Fowler and Bud Dupree are all high on my list. Right now I prefer McKinney to Dupree, but that could change.

3. 1-2 offensive linemen. Again, I look at this right now as Brandon Scherff and then everyone else. Unless Scherff is somehow within reach, I'm ok going defense 1st and OL 2nd.

4. A nose tackle/big DT. This depends to some extent on how the picture looks with Wilfork, Siliga, and Casey Walker.

5. A running back.

6. Depth at safety.

7. Depth at TE.

manxman2601 · Oct 18, 2014

No I still like Abdullah but with Vereen and White a Coleman type seems more likely

midwestpatsfan · Oct 20, 2014

Manx, I think if you get a chance to see some of Dupree from this year you will see his first step is even more impressive than last year.
I agree 100% with Mayo in that Dupree is really just asked to do one thing. He has a lot to learn to be a 3 down player in the NFL, and I am not sure I can take that right now.

I have a couple of Fowler games, I might watch him this week. I did catch a little bit of the Tennessee game a few weeks back and like some things. I think Fowler is a more technical pass rusher with violent hands. He does not have that initial burst like Dupree though. Very interesting to see 2 different styles that work.

mayoclinic · Oct 20, 2014

manxman2601 said:
As for OL, I'm on the Cummings bandwagon.

From Matt Miller this week:

Hidden Gem of the Week: T.J. Clemmings, RT, Pittsburgh, Sr.

This Week: Dominant effort on right side of offensive line in 21-16 win

Opponent: Virginia Tech

There was no shortage of praise on the Twitterverse for T.J. Clemmings during Pittsburgh’s win against Virginia Tech on Thursday.

Upon watching his play closely from that game, it was easy to see why.

A converted defensive tackle, the 6’6”, 315-poundClemmings possesses a highly intriguing combination of size and athleticism. He exhibits an explosive burst off the line of scrimmage and the power to drive block defenders off the ball.

Clemmings made a number of devastating run blocks against the Hokies while he was never driven backward by a defender. Though he lost leverage at times in pass protection by leaning too far forward, he nonetheless had a strong showing in that area too.

From a technique standpoint, his acclimation to playing offensive line is still a work in progress, but he shows clear upside to be an NFL right tackle with his physical tools and powerful punch.

ESPN’s Todd McShay said Thursday that Clemmings is the “most improved player in 1-yr I’ve ever seen,” while National Football Post’s Greg Gabriel, a former NFL director of college scouting, said scouts have told him Clemmings “has become a hell of a prospect.”

Very much under the radar even heading into game against Virginia Tech, Clemmings could be shooting up draft boards and is emerging as a potential early-round pick based on his high potential.

Current Draft Projection: Round 2-3

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2237831-nfl-draft-2015-updated-prospect-radar-post-week-7/page/11

manxman2601 · Oct 21, 2014

mayoclinic said:
From Matt Miller this week:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2237831-nfl-draft-2015-updated-prospect-radar-post-week-7/page/11

Thanks for that. I feel a Menelik Watson/Kyle Long draft stock vibe with Cummings. Might need a first rounder for him if the teams agree with Todd McShay's assessment about him being the most improved prospect.

mayoclinic · Oct 21, 2014

manxman2601 said:
Thanks for that. I feel a Menelik Watson/Kyle Long draft stock vibe with Cummings. Might need a first rounder for him if the teams agree with Todd McShay's assessment about him being the most improved prospect.

As usual, you were the first on the bandwagon. I'll be keeping a close eye on Cummings the rest of the season. Cummings in the 2nd would be terrific, though I doubt he'll last that long if he continues to get the kind of press he's getting. He might be the most interesting lineman in the draft right now after Brandon Scherff. Good call.

mayoclinic · Nov 1, 2014

midwestpatsfan said:
I agree 100% with Mayo in that Dupree is really just asked to do one thing. He has a lot to learn to be a 3 down player in the NFL, and I am not sure I can take that right now.

I may be changing my tune on this. Dupree has gotten a ton of attention over the past few weeks, and from multiple reports he has taken on a more diverse roll. Mark Stoops had this to say:

"Hes got everything they're looking for." said Stoops. Hes got the size, he's explosive, he's very versatile like I've said over and over. He can play in the 4-3 defense. He can play defensive end in the 3-4. He's athletic enough to play SAM or play the jack. I think he's versatile enough to play any linebacker position."

http://www.wkyt.com/sports/headlines/Dupree-leads-defense-could-be-1st-round-pick-281113372.html

Dupree has the explosiveness of Vic Beasley, the freakish athleticism of Shane Ray, the versatility of Dante Fowler, with better length and size than any of them. He can play multiple roles in both base and sub. I could see BB falling in love with this guy as a fit for his "multiple" defense.

manxman2601 · Nov 1, 2014

Just thought of a bizarre comparison for Dupree. Try imagining Dont'a Hightower purely as an edge player and then throw in Jamie Collins' athleticism. Voilá.

mayoclinic · Nov 1, 2014

manxman2601 said:
Just thought of a bizarre comparison for Dupree. Try imagining Dont'a Hightower purely as an edge player and then throw in Jamie Collins' athleticism. Voilá.

I'll stick with Ziggy Ansah. Ansah measured 6' 5 1/8" 271# at the Combine. Dupree is supposedly 6'4" 267# (I'll be curious to see if that holds up). Add in 4.5-4.6 40 time (Ansah was timed at 4.56) and a 40" VJ, and I think Dupree could be a 3 down lineman with multiple position versatility. I thought it was very interesting that Mark Stoops thought that Dupree could play 3-4 DE.

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