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Know your olas:

Zola: J'accuse
Lola: Iconic transsexual love interest in Kinks song
Cola: flavor of sodie pop
COLA: Cost of Living Increase
Enola: One of two words preceding "Gay" that does not result in a conversation about same-sex marriage on the political board, the other being "Randall"
Hola!: Spanish for hello
Ebola: catch it once, really sick
Amendola: one really sick catch o_O
 
That said: Offense seems to have gotten a grip on next-upmanship, and Brady seems to have gotten a grip on trusting the open guy - the opportunistic, hungry approach, rather than the apparent "these are the best guys" approach from the first couple of games (granted, necessitated often by lack o protection).

The Pats D, hold the Mayo, is likely going to need to dig deep for the energy to play the majority of every game. Getting off the field when you can't stop the run won't be easy... and the LB options are limited. This team will be about finding a way to win, not about overwhelming units on either side of the ball.
 
Somebody posted that the Broncos offense scored only 24 points in 33 minutes against the Jets, as though the Patriots scoring 27 in only 19 minutes indicates an obviously superior offensive performance. This idea overlooks the fact that one should also pay attention to how the offense complements the defense. Scoring points as quickly as possible is not always the best goal for an offense. Sometimes it is better to take longer to score on a sustained drive. The Patriot defense was gassed last night and would have benefited from the offense spending more time on the field. Perhaps if the offense held on to the ball longer the defense would have gotten off the field more effectively. The ability to sustain long drives is something the Patriots have not been especially good at in the past and it has come back to bite them. It is something they are likely to need moving forward, perhaps in a couple of weeks against Denver.


Bingo.

Accelerating the importance of what you wrote is that this game occurred only 4 days after the D lost its brains (Mayo). The need to protect the D was even more important, but McDaniels wanted to let it roll.
 
So longer (e.g., Ridley-esque) drives and lower scores means Tom Brady can no longer pass the ball, or the O-line cannot pass block. The ability to strike quickly means we can't get the D a breather... Look, you can't have everything. Where would you put it?

The D can't get off the field when it gives up 8 or 9 yards on first down on running plays (and yes, this was happening from the beginning of the game.) They didn't come into the stadium gassed. They are definitely run-challenged without Mayo, at this writing.

But I'm seeing a "find a way to win" streak in this year's banged-up squad, the "No Mayo" D included. Yes, you'd prefer not to need to block a field goal. And to get it when you need it throws some luck on top of whatever you can ascribe to conditioning and skill. The gassed defense held the JEST just long enough that it needed to be a longish kick... so it was more of a line drive than an arc. The gassed CHRIS Jones got his hands up and the Pats got a good push. End result... win. If you believe that the Jets just will score you give up a few more yards. You believe that a field goal is automatic and it becomes automatic... so you obviously can't say the end of the JEST game had no good fortune to it... but it's not as if the fight had gone out of the D. The whole night it seemed like they were capable of the old "bend but don't break" style the Pats have become so famous for... witness 4 previous field goals.

As much as there is to dislike in a win like that, when you're heavily favored, there is a lot to like as well.
 
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But I'm seeing a "find a way to win" streak in this year's banged-up squad, the "No Mayo" D included.

IMO, this is a bunch of crap. Almost every team has injuries. A top team, who prides itself on focusing on depth in their roster decisions, should be able to beat horrible teams like the jets without last second heroics. Yes, on any Sunday, anything in possible, especially in a devision game. Blaming our poor performance on our injuries is lame.

The patriots started the season as one of the top 5 teams in the NFL, favorites to be back in the AFC Championship Game yet again. We now think that we were lucky to survive against the might jets!

We should celebrate. We won a division game without additional injuries. But make no mistake, we need major improvements in the play of the defensive front seven.
 
Somebody posted that the Broncos offense scored only 24 points in 33 minutes against the Jets, as though the Patriots scoring 27 in only 19 minutes indicates an obviously superior offensive performance. This idea overlooks the fact that one should also pay attention to how the offense complements the defense. Scoring points as quickly as possible is not always the best goal for an offense. Sometimes it is better to take longer to score on a sustained drive. The Patriot defense was gassed last night and would have benefited from the offense spending more time on the field. Perhaps if the offense held on to the ball longer the defense would have gotten off the field more effectively. The ability to sustain long drives is something the Patriots have not been especially good at in the past and it has come back to bite them. It is something they are likely to need moving forward, perhaps in a couple of weeks against Denver.

I completely agree with you. The drive that Last night, it wasn't so much the offense, though. The defense got pounded in the running game but ended up being tough enough to stiffen inside the red zone and hold the Jets to field goals.

Somebody posted that the Broncos offense scored only 24 points in 33 minutes against the Jets, as though the Patriots scoring 27 in only 19 minutes indicates an obviously superior offensive performance. This idea overlooks the fact that one should also pay attention to how the offense complements the defense. Scoring points as quickly as possible is not always the best goal for an offense. Sometimes it is better to take longer to score on a sustained drive. The Patriot defense was gassed last night and would have benefited from the offense spending more time on the field. Perhaps if the offense held on to the ball longer the defense would have gotten off the field more effectively. The ability to sustain long drives is something the Patriots have not been especially good at in the past and it has come back to bite them. It is something they are likely to need moving forward, perhaps in a couple of weeks against Denver.

Really? Are you really going to blame the offense for the Jets converting 9 of 16 3rd down opportunities? Did the offense let the Jets grind out 13 rushing first downs?
 
So it's the offense's fault that the jets had no turnovers and didn't punt until there was a minute left in the 3rd quarter?

It is not a fault of the offense that they score quickly. This is OK as long as are efficient is scoring points when they have the ball.

Somebody posted that the Broncos offense scored only 24 points in 33 minutes against the Jets, as though the Patriots scoring 27 in only 19 minutes indicates an obviously superior offensive performance. This idea overlooks the fact that one should also pay attention to how the offense complements the defense. Scoring points as quickly as possible is not always the best goal for an offense. Sometimes it is better to take longer to score on a sustained drive. The Patriot defense was gassed last night and would have benefited from the offense spending more time on the field. Perhaps if the offense held on to the ball longer the defense would have gotten off the field more effectively. The ability to sustain long drives is something the Patriots have not been especially good at in the past and it has come back to bite them. It is something they are likely to need moving forward, perhaps in a couple of weeks against Denver.
 
IMO, this is a bunch of crap. Almost every team has injuries. A top team, who prides itself on focusing on depth in their roster decisions, should be able to beat horrible teams like the jets without last second heroics. Yes, on any Sunday, anything in possible, especially in a devision game. Blaming our poor performance on our injuries is lame.

The patriots started the season as one of the top 5 teams in the NFL, favorites to be back in the AFC Championship Game yet again. We now think that we were lucky to survive against the might jets!

We should celebrate. We won a division game without additional injuries. But make no mistake, we need major improvements in the play of the defensive front seven.

Give the Jets some credit. They played well. They played at a competitive level against all of the NFL's elite quarterback teams this season with the exception of San Diego, and we're a division rival making it that much closer. Beyond our inability to stop the run, I think the story of that game was the Jets giving us their best shot, more so than us struggling to dominate a 1-5 football team.
 
Give the Jets some credit. They played well. They played at a competitive level against all of the NFL's elite quarterback teams this season with the exception of San Diego, and we're a division rival making it that much closer. Beyond our inability to stop the run, I think the story of that game was the Jets giving us their best shot, more so than us struggling to dominate a 1-5 football team.

Yes, the jets played very, very well. And yes, their coaches did a fine job.

HOWEVER, a team who is a co-favorite to win the AFC (playing well in their last two games) should be able to perform better at home on Thursday night, even against the best 1-5 team in the NFL.
 
IMO, this is a bunch of crap. Almost every team has injuries. A top team, who prides itself on focusing on depth in their roster decisions, should be able to beat horrible teams like the jets without last second heroics. Yes, on any Sunday, anything in possible, especially in a devision game. Blaming our poor performance on our injuries is lame.

The patriots started the season as one of the top 5 teams in the NFL, favorites to be back in the AFC Championship Game yet again. We now think that we were lucky to survive against the might jets!

We should celebrate. We won a division game without additional injuries. But make no mistake, we need major improvements in the play of the defensive front seven.

Wish there was an agree/disagree line-item option on this forum.

First paragraph: I acknowledged Mayo's role in the run D. I think it's significant. However, it's a matter of what you do about it, over time. Yes we needed last-minute heroics against a pretty meh team. Point of my post was that we got them.

2nd paragraph. Yep, going in, we were a top 5 team. Fifth, to be exact, in the ESPN power rankings. And you contention is?

Here's where we are now: hefty divisional lead? Check. How many other teams with 5 wins? 3. How many might have 5 by the end of the weekend? I'll be damned if I'm researching who has the byes... but there are six four-win teams. So in terms of winning games, by the record, this is roughly a top 5 team - but probably tied with many for that honor.... (some teams may end the weekend 5-1, for example, which is why I say "roughly.")

Who's invincible in this league? Who has shown no chinks in the armor? Most importantly, how many more Ws did we get for blowout wins in 2007? Oh that's right, there's only one more we could have gotten (but didn't.) The 2001 team sure did suck though, barely scraping into the playoffs...

Last line? Completely agree. That's why I'd love to have both the agree and disagree button as line-item options. My post was not to imply that the Patriots would go deep into the playoffs by not improving or by deteriorating, regardless of further injury status.

Another hallmark of a Pats team is that when they come back from injuries, the "next man up" gets better over time. This year at both the RB position and MLB/ILB we'll find out what works, over time. Do we always get that first huge blowout win that proves "it was only a flesh wound" after such an injury? I am not doing that research project. If you can demonstrate that we normally respond to a rash of key injuries with a blow-out win, good on you.

If your point is, "come on, it's the Jets," well, that's at odds with your acknowledgment of "any given Sunday." We found ourselves in a dogfight not a cakewalk, and did get the win.

Once again - does every top-5 team blow out every opponent in this league?

Last I checked, the playoff seeding rules put the number of points you won by pretty low down on the order of tie-breakers. It wasn't long ago that we were all tearing our hair out and saying "no way this team beats Cincinnati."

Long season buddy. Looking forward to watching it unfold. Pardon me for according significance to the loss of the head of the running back committee and the starting middle linebacker, plus one more offensive lineman on an already depleted O-line.

I deeply agree that finding a way to win through these injuries, and even other injuries, will be necessary. I've said this before: I cannot believe Gronk is there for the final game, whenever that may come... that just needs to be proven. So it's likely a gut-it-out season regardless. We need everything we can get out of the likes of LaFell, Vereen, and even Amendola, who came off the milk carton this week to score. And Tim Wright. And [your name here.]

We do it that way, and we'll have a team that knows how to win. That doesn't necessarily mean a team that knows how to beat the spread when heavily favored.

All that to say, I'll take it.
 
Wait....


Is someone really white knighting the Patriots over that Jets game?


Holy cow.
 
Wait....


Is someone really white knighting the Patriots over that Jets game?


Holy cow.


And the East German judge gives them a 2, giving the New York Jets the win on style points.
 
Wait....


Is someone really white knighting the Patriots over that Jets game?


Holy cow.

Hey, you're never as average as your most average game.
 
IMO, this is a bunch of crap. Almost every team has injuries. A top team, who prides itself on focusing on depth in their roster decisions, should be able to beat horrible teams like the jets without last second heroics. Yes, on any Sunday, anything in possible, especially in a devision game. Blaming our poor performance on our injuries is lame.

The patriots started the season as one of the top 5 teams in the NFL, favorites to be back in the AFC Championship Game yet again. We now think that we were lucky to survive against the might jets!

We should celebrate. We won a division game without additional injuries. But make no mistake, we need major improvements in the play of the defensive front seven.


I see that the poster who thinks CHANDLER Jones blocked the kick "disagreed" with your post. :D
 
Oh hell. Screw me. Chris Jones. I guess my next point, that Bevis must have really matured since his days with Butthead to be playing CB at that high a level, is also moot :(
 
duh!

We've had Amendola on the team all year and CHUNG has been returning kicks. Ya think that maybe, just maybe, Amendola was not yet physically able to be our KR.

He has had to play hurt at WR, because we had nothing else, and because Belichick and Josh are comfortable with his play (no matter how many message board fans want him to be inactive and cut).

Wow sometimes I just marvel at the nonsense I see in some posts. Where do you come up with this crap, Danny Amendola has participated in everything since OTAs in the beginning of May without any restrictions, now you are suggesting that he just now on October 16 became healthy. LaFell was back there as well where Slater normally is, so is LaFell just getting healthy as well? What a joke this crap has become, people constantly trying to excuse Danny Amendola’s horrible performances, Amendola is on pace for 11 catches and 96 yards this season, great he made 1 catch, now if he can make the other 119 catches to get to the 120 catches Welker had most seasons we might have something worth celebrating.

In addition, you have no basis to suggest the coaches are comfortable with anything; maybe they do not want to give up on the player they put their name behind and gave a **** load of money to.

Being able to have the occasional great game or make an impressive play has never been a problem for Amendola, it is the other 95% of the time that he is mediocre at best that is the problem, that catch is 100% consistent with the rest of his inconsistent career.


 

Wow sometimes I just marvel at the nonsense I see in some posts. Where do you come up with this crap, Danny Amendola has participated in everything since OTAs in the beginning of May without any restrictions, now you are suggesting that he just now on October 16 became healthy. LaFell was back there as well where Slater normally is, so is LaFell just getting healthy as well? What a joke this crap has become, people constantly trying to excuse Danny Amendola’s horrible performances, Amendola is on pace for 11 catches and 96 yards this season, great he made 1 catch, now if he can make the other 119 catches to get to the 120 catches Welker had most seasons we might have something worth celebrating.

In addition, you have no basis to suggest the coaches are comfortable with anything; maybe they do not want to give up on the player they put their name behind and gave a **** load of money to.

Being able to have the occasional great game or make an impressive play has never been a problem for Amendola, it is the other 95% of the time that he is mediocre at best that is the problem, that catch is 100% consistent with the rest of his inconsistent career.



First of all, for someone who constantly fills up my inbox with complaints about how everyone is being mean to you, you sure are coming on a bit strong there. You make some good points in there, but you can argue a point without trying to provoke people.

To your point about Amendola versus Welker, why do so many people think Welker is (today and in 2013) in such a different stratosphere than Amendola?

2013:
Welker: Rec - 73 Yds - 778
Amendola: Rec 54 Yds - 633

2014:
Welker: Rec - 14 Yds - 126
Amendola: Rec - 5 Yds - 42

Over the 23 weeks so far of the two seasons, I see Welker with 28 more catches and 227 more yards.

I'm sorry, but given the (so far) "Disaster" of Amendola, the difference of 1.2 catches for 9.8 yards per game seems a bit over hyped. Given the fact that Welker is 33 and Amendola is 28, I'm going to judge this one from the vantage point of a couple more years out.
 
That's a great stat, Shmessy. I think too many of us focus on Welker's past, which may never be seen again in terms of output for a slot receiver. However, for what Amendola's being paid, you have to admit he's a big disappointment so far. I still have hope though.
 
That's a great stat, Shmessy. I think too many of us focus on Welker's past, which may never be seen again in terms of output for a slot receiver. However, for what Amendola's being paid, you have to admit he's a big disappointment so far. I still have hope though.


Exactly. Brady6 referenced Welker's 120 receptions that Welker "had most seasons".

Well, Welker ain't doing that anymore. The comparison should be what Amendola does for the Patriots in the simultaneous period of Welker. So far, Welker has been more productive. But the gap isn't the Armageddon most people have been hyping.

That being said, has Amendola been a big disappointment? You bet. So far.
 
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