Seattle Seahawks trade WR Percy Harvin to the Jets

so 2 teams have dumped him in his prime? Says a lot about him...will fit in well vs jets

And fighting with Tate last year and almost Wilson? Hilarious

PATSYLICIOUS said:

I still fail to realize why teams make these trades. This is only going to hurt the Jets, they're winning at most four gmaes this year, likely not much more the next couple years, need cap space and draft picks to rebuild. WHY would they do this trade?

Seattle already sucks at WR so I don't see this hurting them much, and it gives them great cap relief. Even though Harvin shined in the SB it's not like they really needed him in that game.

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The Jets have a ton of cap space. What they need are players worth spending money on. In Harvin, they got a guy who, while overpaid, doesn't limit their flexibility at all since he causes no dead money if/when they cut him. Paying a mid-round draft hurts, but I can understand why they decided it was worth it. Assets worth having are rarely free. If I'm the Jets, I would rather pay a fourth rounder and have the contract that they now have him on than sign him in UFA for the contract he got last year from the Seahawks.

Gronkowski123 said:

blame wilson. seattle have the last ranked passing attack.

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Russel Wilson, he of the 99.7 quarterback rating?

Deus Irae said:

Absolutely. SB win = ROI

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He's Seattle's JD Drew, basically.

Seattle Fans will MISS Harvin but not as much as Geno Smith.

hieroglyphics said:

Seattle's biggest mistake wasn't trading for Harvin and then cutting him loose after such little return.

Seattle's mistake was not making this move last summer, and using the money to resign Golden Tate.

Everyone says this opens up money for Wilson, that money though is already open long-term. This move allows Seattle to resign Bobby Wagner (who before last week, was probably the best linebacker in football in 2014).

In Seattle's two losses, Marshawn Lynch has run the ball 16 times. Expect the Seahawks to go back to the run big time.

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Seattle's biggest mistake was trading a first and a second for him and guaranteeing him $14.5M in the first place. Given that those are all sunk costs, though, they probably made the right move out of the options available to them. The alternative was pretty much keeping Harvin around and hoping he finds a way to live up to the cost that it took to get him.

Deus Irae said:

Go look at Idzik's drafting and the Jets' $20+million in cap space. This trade didn't cost the Jets anything.

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I understand your point but I think we're valuing Harvin alot differently here. The malcontent portion of it probably means nothing to the Jets but even then the guy hasn't produced consistently to be worth near his cap cost. Injuries are a concern too. Just because you have the space doesn't mean you just toss away ten mill on someone as unreliable as Harvin.

Brady_to_Moss said:

so 2 teams have dumped him in his prime? Says a lot about him...will fit in well vs jets

And fighting with Tate last year and almost Wilson? Hilarious

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I wouldn't say that the Vikings dumped him. The Seahawks just made them a godfather offer that they would have been crazy to turn down.

PATSYLICIOUS said:

I understand your point but I think we're valuing Harvin alot differently here. The malcontent portion of it probably means nothing to the Jets but even then the guy hasn't produced consistently to be worth near his cap cost. Injuries are a concern too. Just because you have the space doesn't mean you just toss away ten mill on someone as unreliable as Harvin.

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Who else were they going to spend that money on? I would agree if they'd signed him to a contract with a big signing bonus that killed their flexibility down the road, but the contract that they're inheriting doesn't do that.

PATSYLICIOUS said:

I understand your point but I think we're valuing Harvin alot differently here. The malcontent portion of it probably means nothing to the Jets but even then the guy hasn't produced consistently to be worth near his cap cost. Injuries are a concern too. Just because you have the space doesn't mean you just toss away ten mill on someone as unreliable as Harvin.

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His production is fine. His availability is a different issue.

Look at it this way: 22 catches on 26 targets

Brady_to_Moss said:

so 2 teams have dumped him in his prime? Says a lot about him...will fit in well vs jets

And fighting with Tate last year and almost Wilson? Hilarious

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He will be complaining, once Geno reverts to his 1 INT/game play, and is not getting his share of catches.

BradyFTW! said:

The Jets have a ton of cap space. What they need are players worth spending money on. In Harvin, they got a guy who, while overpaid, doesn't limit their flexibility at all since he causes no dead money if/when they cut him. .

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Admittedly, I didn't see this portion of his contract structure. If they can part with his contract at any point without consequence/dead money that's understandable

rochrist said:

Russel Wilson, he of the 99.7 quarterback rating?

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fair enough but the hawks are dead last in passing...
i think their wr's are more pedestrian than ours!!

Deus Irae said:

His production is fine. His availability is a different issue.

Look at it this way: 22 catches on 26 targets

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His catch rate should be very high, since most of his targets are very short passes. Hell, last week he had 3 catches for 0 yards.

I just don't think the Seahawks ever really figured out how to integrate him into their offense. Almost every impact play he made for them on offense came on a jet sweep, and after the SB and week 1 of this season, every defense came prepared for it. He's never been an especially polished receiver, but he isnt't that that. I expect the Jets will try to use him in ways that the Seahawks never really did.

PATSYLICIOUS said:

Admittedly, I didn't see this portion of his contract structure. If they can part with his contract at any point without consequence/dead money that's understandable

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Yeah, his contract was structured so that he had $14.5M guaranteed, but $12.5M of that was a signing bonus that the Seahawks already paid. He also had his 2014 salary guaranteed pretty early in the contract (this is where the $25M guaranteed number came from), but the Seahawks already paid a lot of that, and the Jets were going to pay the rest whether it was guaranteed or not. The Seahawks now have to take the accelerated signing bonus cap hit on this year's cap--the same as if they'd cut him, basically--and the end result for the Jets is that he isn't guaranteed anything past the end of this season.

juny said:

Can't criticize the Jets too much (even though it's fun to do it) since they have no WR outside of Decker. If they can restructure his contract, could work out for them.

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God, I hope they can now go 8-8 and save Rex Ryan's job for another year!!!!!!

Really, the best of all worlds for the Patriots.

Deus Irae said:

Go look at Idzik's drafting and the Jets' $20+million in cap space. This trade didn't cost the Jets anything.

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Deus firmly believes you can't win anything without a #1 WR. Now the JESTers have a slightly ersatz one... SupertoiletBowl here they come.

Winning move for the Jets. Geno now has a reasonably stacked offense, Jets have the cap money, and Jets fans will be wired... if it shows returns quickly.

BradyFTW! said:

His catch rate should be very high, since most of his targets are very short passes. Hell, last week he had 3 catches for 0 yards.

I just don't think the Seahawks ever really figured out how to integrate him into their offense. Almost every impact play he made for them on offense came on a jet sweep, and after the SB and week 1 of this season, every defense came prepared for it. He's never been an especially polished receiver, but he isnt't that that. I expect the Jets will try to use him in ways that the Seahawks never really did.

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His high catch rate is important for working with GeNO!. If GeNO! can't get this guy the ball, there won't be any questions about Mr. Smith being an NFL level player, because he'll have answered them with a resounding "Nope".

BradyFTW! said:

The Jets have a ton of cap space. What they need are players worth spending money on. In Harvin, they got a guy who, while overpaid, doesn't limit their flexibility at all since he causes no dead money if/when they cut him. Paying a mid-round draft hurts, but I can understand why they decided it was worth it. Assets worth having are rarely free. If I'm the Jets, I would rather pay a fourth rounder and have the contract that they now have him on than sign him in UFA for the contract he got last year from the Seahawks.

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Why can't the Patriots ever go "all in" like the Jets or Buccaneers???????