The Patriots vs Jets POST Game Thread

FCB02062 said:

So the pats have barely escaped against two of the worst teams in the nfl....AT HOME! not an encouraging defensive performance...

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"You Play to win the Game!" sayeth a past opponent Coach. Style points be damned.

BB employed the Rope-a-dope once again, and walks away with a W.

Tom meets Kaepernick said:

Never want to see that gameplan by Belichick again. Russell Wilson doesn't play for the Jets, Geno Smith does. I'm relieved they won and got the **** out of Dodge because I would have been livid if we lost. Luckily I don't have to break something tonight. On to Chicago..

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BB is 2 for 2 using the Rope-a-dope. Other Coaches would just have accepted the Loss.

shmessy said:

Yes, McDaniels reverted again. I'm sorry, but he needs to get slapped upside the head by Belichick.

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And given a Game Ball.

Danger Zone said:

Sorry. When you say STATS needs to revisit it's metrics I call BS. You're agenda in finding fault with Belichick's drafting is too obvious.

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How was the stat determined? Does it factor in drops and overthrow as good coverage. I ask because Collins has benefited from both of those. He was torched against the Bengals by the TE, but the TE dropped it. He was also beat badly on a throw down the left sideline to the RB, but the QB overthrew the ball. Both of these were not played well at all by Collins, but they go down as incompletions to his man. I would be interested in looking at the metric to see how it was derived.

The reality is Jamie Collins is not a very good player. When he was drafted, I had some optimism that he could be the explosive edge player we've been missing...he's not.

I don't know how it's "trolling" to point out the obvious poor play of Jamie Collins. I don't know how it's "trolling" to say the 2013 draft has been very little help to the 2014 Patriots.

Jamie Collins is not only a poor player, he's an absolute liability. He is horrendous as an NFL LB.

shmessy said:

Yes.

The Pats averaged 4.3 yards per run. They had success on the ground. They then went one dimensional. The pass-run ratio was 37-15.

Do YOU want to keep the Pats D (which just lost its QB Mayo) on the
field for 40 of the 60 minutes? Poor game planning.

They played down to the Jets tonight (just like they did with the Raiders). and both times they almost got burned.

A balanced attack keeps an opposing defense guessing - - and your own defense from having to spend 40 of the 60 minutes on the field.

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Get your head on straight son. They planned that Defense, invited and suckered Rex into his "Ground-and-Pound" and planned on, and did outscore him,and his pathetic excuse for a secondary. They even crossed him up with the Long ball, too, since they expected to have no run game, for a dink & dunk to work, very often.

Why else would they play a pass defense oriented, 4-2-5 and 3-2-6 all game long? Open your eyes son, and see the Maestro running the Three card Monty on Rex all day long...

BB for Coach of the Year.

RIpats88 said:

To be fair the pats had 1 practice and 4 measily days to prepare on how to replacemayo and ridley. Im not too worried yet. JETS Always play us tough. Remember last year?

Another good front 7 and brady looked good again. Wouldve had a better day but edelman amd gronk had some uncharacteristic drops

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Those drops and miscues like Devey, cost them a few points too, but turns out 27 was enough.

PP2 said:

The biggest problem that I saw tonight was that we lost the battle at the line on both sides of the ball. Not much you can do if you can't win the big on big battle. More concerning on D, I think- we couldn't shed blocks, and we were consistently allowing Ivory to get to the 2nd level where he could cause damage in the open field.

A lot of shoddy technique, and sloppy tackling, and a lot of that tends to be mental. I think that's more the effect of the short turnaround week than anything else.

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Plus the sucker invitation to run against the 4-2-5 !

fightingirish595 said:

Jets might have the worst secondary in football. running the ball on them plays right into there hands.

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Right On.

The Pats crossed them up and went Long Ball too. You don't have great completion percentages doing that.

Where are all the pissahs and moaners crying for deep passes, when BB & Josh unveiled and used it against a pathetic secondary.

shmessy said:

........to the tune of 4.3 yards per carry.

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Occasional runs wide did work, but a steady diet would not have done so.

Bill Lee said:

How many times did we see Chris freaking Ivory ... run it up the gut f0r 8 or more yards after breaking three pathetic attempts at a tackle? .

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Ivory is a good runner, so I ain't surprised.... What I wanna know is: why oh why did the Jets not put the threat of Ivory in the backfield on the 2-pt conversion attempt!?! Those assbags did us a favor by removing the threat of a run...

buile said:

Ivory is a good runner, so I ain't surprised.... What I wanna know is: why oh why did the Jets not put the threat of Ivory in the backfield on the 2-pt conversion attempt!?! Those assbags did us a favor by removing the threat of a run...

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The thing I worry about is Pats Run defense. Ivory ran thru the DL.

Side question: Is Chung really better than Harmon? really? In the game, Chung always seem to be catching up to the person he is covering. Also, a mismatch since Chung is short. Opinions?

shmessy said:

Amendola TD reception and both Vereen TD receptions........

You get some and you lose some.

Brady was very good tonight. He would have been Buffalo-good with a more balanced attack where he could have sold play action as a threat..

In the meantime 41-19 TOP inbalances hurt the team more with a D missing IT'S QB.

Gameplanning was a rout in favor of Rex Ryan over Bill Belichick tonight. Thank goodness the Patriots have enough of a talent surplus to overcome that.

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Gameplanning was a rout in favor of Bill Belichick over Rex Ryan !

shmessy said:

Amendola TD reception and both Vereen TD receptions........

You get some and you lose some.

Brady was very good tonight. He would have been Buffalo-good with a more balanced attack where he could have sold play action as a threat..

In the meantime 41-19 TOP inbalances hurt the team more with a D missing IT'S QB.

Gameplanning was a rout in favor of Rex Ryan over Bill Belichick tonight. Thank goodness the Patriots have enough of a talent surplus to overcome that.

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Game planning was a rout in favor of Bill Belichick's Rope-a-Dope over Suckered Rex Ryan.

Fixed it for ya.

I'm probably as big a proponent of wanting to run the ball more, but I had no issue with the playcalling last night. I don't see how anyone can especially if it's working. We scored twenty-seven without the aid of turnovers or big ST's plays, and the offense was barely on the field. We got about as much production from the offense as you could realistically could expect. For being on the field twenty minutes, they scored a ton of points. Credit the OL for allowing us to throw that often last night without regret.

Amendola was freaking huge last night, hope we can at least get that kind of effort here on out. And we finally have a legit KR threat..... FINALLY. Until he gets hurt that is

Still hate seeing Wright being so underutilized as a reciever. Other than that, three straight oustanding games by the offense.

The loss of Mayo and hsort week is no excuse for the defense last night. The Jets offense haven't looked near this good against anyone, just no excuse. That's on the coaches IMO. The minute we changed our approach to the obvious suggestions many had in our gameday thread we got key stops.

Josh McD needs to wake up.. Most of the 3rd down play calls were horrible. With the offensive weapons they have, there is no reason for the Pats to be going for long bombs on every other short 3rd down..

Not having Tim Wright as a part of this game plan was stupid.

I know we just lost Ridley, but you still have to show some commitment to the run.

Bolden's days on this team are numbered. He's committed ST penalties 2 or 3 weeks in a row now. And he still hasn't shown he can run the ball consistently.

I don't see how Barnes wasn't whistled for a late hit. He took a full step before plowing into Brady after Brady had gotten rid of the ball.

At least two of the "holding" calls were complete BS. Particularly the 2nd one on Browner.

The OPI on Lafell was BS. Lafell was running his route and the defender turned into him.. How is that Lafell's fault? Lafell has the right to run his route.

DaBruinz said:

I know we just lost Ridley, but you still have to show some commitment to the run.

Bolden's days on this team are numbered. He's committed ST penalties 2 or 3 weeks in a row now. And he still hasn't shown he can run the ball consistently.

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I'm wondering if the only thing keeping Bolden on the team is the fact that James White has not shown good enough blitz pickup skills to warrant seeing much/if any actual live game reps? It just doesn't seem as though the coaches trust White just yet.

If that's the case, we may see Bolden here for the rest of the year.

supafly said:

I'm wondering if the only thing keeping Bolden on the team is the fact that James White has not shown good enough blitz pickup skills to warrant seeing much/if any actual live game reps? It just doesn't seem as though the coaches trust White just yet.

If that's the case, we may see Bolden here for the rest of the year.

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Special teams....

PATSYLICIOUS said:

I'm probably as big a proponent of wanting to run the ball more, but I had no issue with the playcalling last night. I don't see how anyone can especially if it's working. We scored twenty-seven without the aid of turnovers or big ST's plays, and the offense was barely on the field. We got about as much production from the offense as you could realistically could expect. For being on the field twenty minutes, they scored a ton of points. Credit the OL for allowing us to throw that often last night without regret.

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Credit the offense with scoring 27 points. One can still make an argument that scoring 27 points with better balance and increased time of possession would have been preferable because keeping the offense on the field keeps the defense rested and, by the way, prevents the other team from scoring. Judging the offense solely by the points scored while ignoring time of possession is disregarding an important aspect of the game. The offense could have played better complementary football.

AzPatsFan said:

Plus the sucker invitation to run against the 4-2-5 !

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I'm not buying into your "sucker" or "rope a dope" theories here--although that's just my opinion.

The Jets are clearly the most one dimensional offense in the entire NFL. Everyone in the world expected the Jets to try and run, while controlling the clock. As a matter of fact, all they really had to do was stop the run and force Geno Smith into throwing it, and we'd have likely won in a rout. There's an excellent chance that forcing him to throw would have resulted in some turnovers along with additional pressure opportunities for pass rushing.

The Patriots failed miserably in that sense, and it damn near cost them the game. The odds of winning a game when you barely get into the 19:00 minute mark with time of possession are so insanely low, you probably wouldn't even believe it. If that was Belichick's gameplan, then he's completely lost his mind. Anyone could see that they were successfully running it down the throats of the NE Patriots the entire game.

That "bait" gameplan allowing them to run on purpose may work against REAL quarterbacks such as Peyton Manning, or Jim Kelly back when Belichick was the DC of the Giants. You don't gameplan around a guy who was coming into his past 6 road games 0-6 with a 2 TD/10 INT ratio.

Mack Herron said:

Credit the offense with scoring 27 points. One can still make an argument that scoring 27 points with better balance and increased time of possession would have been preferable because keeping the offense on the field keeps the defense rested and, by the way, prevents the other team from scoring. Judging the offense solely by the points scored while ignoring time of possession is disregarding an important aspect of the game. The offense could have played better complementary football.

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One can make any number of arguments about the play calling on Thursday. Any of them that involve more running plays for the sake of running plays would be poor, silly arguments, but they could be made nonetheless.

Deus Irae said:

Special teams....

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Sure--I know of his tendency to play on all of the ST assignments, but he must be one helluva good special teams player if he honestly can't be replaced by anyone else.

I suppose it likely comes down to several variables, including his ST presence, the fact that he knows the system here, the fact that he's more established at picking up the blitz than White, and maybe even the fact that White just isn't ready.