Jerod Mayo suffers knee injury

grux said:

Nothing confirmed. Maybe we lucked out and he will be back in a few weeks.

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When schefter says its bad and out for year, he ain't playing the rest of the season

Archeryaddict12 said:

When schefter says its bad and out for year, he ain't playing the rest of the season

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Adam Schefter is out for the year?

Deus Irae said:

Adam Schefter is out for the year?

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Yep

So if i have waded through all of this correctly. Mayo is injured, it's suspected to be serious. However there has been no confirmation of how serious and he has not been put on IR?

Untill he's on IR i will hold out hope of him returning. More out of hope than anything.

Apparently Karen Guregian thinks our season is doomed:

Jerod Mayo's injury too much to overcome | Boston Herald

It's obviously a big loss, but I think that's being a bit precipitous.

A lot of pundits seem to think we are doomed as well...

The NFL is a war of attrition(unfortunately) yesterday Knoshon Moreno was put on IR... Marvin Jones, Victor Cruz to name a few more have made this list recently etc.

Even Bernard Pollard is on IR...

Other teams are going to lose big players, too. Denver's going to lose a key player, Seattle will lose a key player, etc. etc. It happens - Mayo's a tough loss, as we saw last year, but unless combined with a Vince injury, it will not undo our defense.

Denver also loss danny trevathan until december...he'll be back but that's two knee injuries in 3 months. He is the equivalent of our jerod mayo, that is, the QB of the defnse.

TBR said:

Akeem Ayers from the Titans? Anyone?

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I like Ayers a lot but he's not the same type of LB that Mayo was. I don't think an LB from another team fixes the void Mayo leaves. We have to fix this in-house with players already familiar with our defense. Ayers is a heck of a player though. It's a shame he's being wasted over in the Titan's new scheme.

mayoclinic said:

Apparently Karen Guregian thinks our season is doomed:

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/...4/10/jerod_mayo_s_injury_too_much_to_overcome

It's obviously a big loss, but I think that's being a bit precipitous.

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Yeah, that's crazy. Brady is the only player on this team that losing him would effectively the end of the season. Mayo going down absolutely sucks, and I think most people are understating how much it sucks, but it's not a season-ender. It just means that the offense will have more ground to make up, and we have to hope tha tsomeone like Skinner is able to roughly approximate at least some part of what Mayo does, while others pick up the slack across the field. And also for no more LB injuries.

BradyManny said:

Other teams are going to lose big players, too. Denver's going to lose a key player, Seattle will lose a key player, etc. etc. It happens - Mayo's a tough loss, as we saw last year, but unless combined with a Vince injury, it will not undo our defense.

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It's already happening with Seattle. Wagner's turf toe means he won't be himself for the rest of the season, and they're getting perilously thin at CB.

jsull87 said:

So if i have waded through all of this correctly. Mayo is injured, it's suspected to be serious. However there has been no confirmation of how serious and he has not been put on IR?

Untill he's on IR i will hold out hope of him returning. More out of hope than anything.

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I do find it a little odd that neither Mayo or Ridley have been formally moved to the IR yet, considering that there's a game tomorrow. I don't think it's a positive sign that either could be back this year, although if I'm going to hold out a little bit of hope it'll be for Mayo since we still don't know the specifics of his injury.

People here keep pointing to things like Guregian's piece without reading the articles. Here's the money line in Karen's article:

Last year, after injuries took out Mayo, Vince Wilfork, Tommy Kelly and Sebastian Vollmer, the Patriots still were able to persevere. Only, this isn’t about winning the AFC East or putting together a decent record. This is about the end game.

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Here it is, restated, at the end of the piece:

Bottom line: They’ll get by and make do to the point of winning the division. It’s just hard seeing them overcome this obstacle and achieve the ultimate goal.

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Now, is it possible that Mayo's loss will be overcome? Sure, it's possible, especially because it's coming early instead of at the end of the year. Is it likely?

Well, 2006-2013 say no.

2006 - defense in 2nd half of AFCCG
2007 - Brady, Neal, TEs
2008 - Brady
2009 - Welker
2010 - choke against NYJ
2011 - Gronk
2012 - Gronk
2013 - Gronk, Wilfork, Mayo, Kelly

Outside of 2010, injuries to key players have been killing this team's SB hopes for going on 9 years now.

Have heard Jonathan Kraft speak about his belief that if you paying all these guys dress all these guys, so if we dressed 53 it would avoid some of the wear and tear on the Special Teams...

This would probably not impact the Mayo or Ridley injuries, but it may lessen the wear and tear on our regulars...

I also think that if they were able to activate 53 then they if someone had a four week injury it would not necessitate a quick decision to IR that player.. there is currently only one short term IR for each team. More than one short term IR per team may be beneficial as well...

DarrylS said:

Have heard Jonathan Kraft speak about his belief that if you paying all these guys dress all these guys, so if we dressed 53 it would avoid some of the wear and tear on the Special Teams...

This would probably not impact the Mayo or Ridley injuries, but it may lessen the wear and tear on our regulars...

I also think that if they were able to activate 53 then they if someone had a four week injury it would not necessitate a quick decision to IR that player.. there is currently only one short term IR for each team. More than one short term IR per team may be beneficial as well...

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The only limit to short term IR should be the 8 week requirement.

Deus Irae said:

People here keep pointing to things like Guregian's piece without reading the articles. Here's the money line in Karen's article:

Here it is, restated, at the end of the piece:

Now, is it possible that Mayo's loss will be overcome? Sure, it's possible, especially because it's coming early instead of at the end of the year. Is it likely?

Well, 2006-2013 say no.

2006 - defense in 2nd half of AFCCG
2007 - Brady, Neal, TEs
2008 - Brady
2009 - Welker
2010 - choke against NYJ
2011 - Gronk
2012 - Gronk
2013 - Gronk, Wilfork, Mayo, Kelly

Outside of 2010, injuries to key players have been killing this team's SB hopes for going on 9 years now.

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I was the one who first posted the link to Guregian's article, and I most certainly did read it before posting, including the lines you quoted. That doesn't change anything. We didn't know how this season was going to end when Mayo was healthy, and we still don't known how it will end. Concluding that "it's hard to see them overcoming this obstacle" is premature, IMO.

2001-2004 says that they have overcome bigger losses. Look at our starting CBs in the 2004 SB.

I don't know if the Pats will overcome Mayo's loss, or if they will win the SB. But I'm fairly certain that the team that does win the SB will be one that overcomes these kind of major losses. All things considered, I think we have as good a chance of doing that as anyone.

Deus Irae said:

People here keep pointing to things like Guregian's piece without reading the articles. Here's the money line in Karen's article:



Here it is, restated, at the end of the piece:



Now, is it possible that Mayo's loss will be overcome? Sure, it's possible, especially because it's coming early instead of at the end of the year. Is it likely?

Well, 2006-2013 say no.

2006 - defense in 2nd half of AFCCG
2007 - Brady, Neal, TEs
2008 - Brady
2009 - Welker
2010 - choke against NYJ
2011 - Gronk
2012 - Gronk
2013 - Gronk, Wilfork, Mayo, Kelly

Outside of 2010, injuries to key players have been killing this team's SB hopes for going on 9 years now.

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And in 2004, the Pats had a ton of injuries to key players and won anyway. The fact is, if you're an NFL team you're going to have season-ending injuries to significant players. Every year, one team wins the Super Bowl, and it's pretty much guaranteed that, while that team is likely to be healthier than others, it will have lost key players over the course of the year.

The question becomes: is losing Mayo, in of itself, too much to overcome? And my answer to that is no. It's bad, for sure, but we'll have to lose more than Mayo and Ridley to get to that point. As long as Brady, Revis and Gronk are healthy-ish, we'll have a shot. As long as most/all of McCourty, Edelman, Jones, Hightower, Wilfork, Mayo, Collins, Ridley, and Ninkovich are healthy, I think we'll have a pretty good one*.

We're obviously not off to a good start with that latter group, and if a couple more of those guys--or any of the guys in the former group--get hurt, then we'll just be one of a half-dozen or so teams that had their legitimate SB aspirations taken away by injuries. But as long as the injuries don't pile up from here, there's still a real shot that we could be as healthy as anyone going into the playoffs. Do I think that'll happen? I have no idea, but I'm sure as hell hoping for it.

mayoclinic said:

I was the one who first posted the link to Guregian's article, and I most certainly did read it before posting, including the lines you quoted. That doesn't change anything. We didn't know how this season was going to end when Mayo was healthy, and we still don't known how it will end. Concluding that "it's hard to see them overcoming this obstacle" is premature, IMO.

2001-2004 says that they have overcome bigger losses. Look at our starting CBs in the 2004 SB.

I don't know if the Pats will overcome Mayo's loss, or if they will win the SB. But I'm fairly certain that the team that does win the SB will be one that overcomes these kind of major losses. All things considered, I think we have as good a chance of doing that as anyone.

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My post was a general comment, not specific to Guregian's piece in terms of people posting without reading, as I noted, and I certainly didn't point to you, as I could have by quoting you. Having said that, the rest of my post stands as written.

According to Gil Brandt, STATS inc have Jamie Collins as the best coverage LB in the league

@Gil_Brandt: Jamie Collins of @Patriots is NFL's best LB in coverage, according to STATS, w/ lowest burn percentage (43.6)

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https://twitter.com/gil_brandt/status/522409823573262336

Thought that was interesting but didn't think it worth its own thread.

BradyFTW! said:

And in 2004, the Pats had a ton of injuries to key players and won anyway. The fact is, if you're an NFL team you're going to have season-ending injuries to significant players. Every year, one team wins the Super Bowl, and it's pretty much guaranteed that, while that team is likely to be healthier than others, it will have lost key players over the course of the year.

The question becomes: is losing Mayo, in of itself, too much to overcome? And my answer to that is no. It's bad, for sure, but we'll have to lose more than Mayo and Ridley to get to that point. As long as Brady, Revis and Gronk are healthy-ish, we'll have a shot. As long as most/all of McCourty, Edelman, Jones, Hightower, Wilfork, Mayo, Collins, Ridley, and Ninkovich are healthy, I think we'll have a pretty good one*.

*As always, pending the o-line's ability to get/keep its **** together
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We're obviously not off to a good start with that latter group, and if a couple more of those guys--or any of the guys in the former group--get hurt, then we'll just be one of a half-dozen or so teams that had their legitimate SB aspirations taken away by injuries. But as long as the injuries don't pile up from here, there's still a real shot that we could be as healthy as anyone going into the playoffs. Do I think that'll happen? I have no idea, but I'm sure as hell hoping for it.

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The NFL has changed drastically since 2004. That's part of what Patsfans.com posters seem to ignore all too often. Defenses can't win the same way they used to, because the rules have changed, and 3 down players are more valuable then ever. Offenses can bring more weapons to the table but, at the same time, need more weapons to compete. Free agency is no longer a place where wily teams can find gold year after year.

When you add in the already too-thin LB corps, Guregian's article makes a whole lot of sense.