Chung

I'm loving Patrick Chung's new role with this defense...idk exactly how many tackles for lost that he's had but he was there on every time the Bills ran the ball.

Brady_Moss said:

I'm loving Patrick Chung's new role with this defense...idk exactly how many tackles for lost that he's had but he was there on every time the Bills ran the ball.

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He is an excellent box safety. He always was things went bad when they tried to use him in coverage.

Chung and McC have been a pretty good combo. You want Chung in the box more then not, b/c he is shaky in coverage especially against TE. But I have thought Chung has been pretty decent this year.

Really happy for him.

Oh, and for the record, I am still kind of amazed, he is even able to make it to the 10 yard line on KO returns. Let alone always getting close to the 20. lol.

Quack Quack..

Brady_Moss said:

I'm loving Patrick Chung's new role with this defense...idk exactly how many tackles for lost that he's had but he was there on every time the Bills ran the ball.

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They have definitely found his niche. Unfortunately, Mayo's injury has an impact here, I believe. Chung may be called on in the nickel as a coverage man, since Skinner is so slow and Hightower struggles in coverage as well. I wonder if this means less Hightower coming off the edge on passing downs and more coverage responsibilities as well?

I digress. Chung has played very well and has even made a few plays in the passing game. I certainly don't want to keep seeing him in the passing game, but that may be an inevitability. I was not as surprised as some that he made the team.

Chung : one of most pleasant surprises of the year. Was surprised he was on the roster, let alone when he started game one.

He's done alot better than I could have imagined, but please lets keep him off the field on third downs lol

I was a Chung hater when I saw he was back but he's playing well.

A lot of people didn't think he'd even make the team. He's done pretty good so far.

So Chung's the next player up on the "Getting grossly overrated" list, apparently...

Deus Irae said:

So Chung's the next player up on the "Getting grossly overrated" list, apparently...

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Have to agree with this. Chung is playing "fine". But he is still a bit of a liability in coverage.

It is what it is.

Deus Irae said:

So Chung's the next player up on the "Getting grossly overrated" list, apparently...

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The Patriots are doing a good job playing him to his strengths in a rotational role. He has done very well in that capacity and nobody is overrating him because what he is doing deserves the response this thread gives.

Lovin Patrick's aggressive play and reads right now. All good from what I can see. I can live with the shaky TE coverage as long as I see that consistent run support out of him.

Deus Irae said:

So Chung's the next player up on the "Getting grossly overrated" list, apparently...

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Jesus, you are the worst.

Deus Irae said:

So Chung's the next player up on the "Getting grossly overrated" list, apparently...

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I don't think there's anything in this thread people haven't said about him before. I think the difference is given the surrounding talent on defense his drawbacks don't outweigh his contributions anymore. Nothing wrong with that perspective, I don't think. Matter of fact, this thread is quite a bit more reserved than his "Chuck Norris" debut thread. LOL

LMAO I think I started the Pat Chung Chuck Norris thread, either that or heavily contributed. Good times.

Deus Irae said:

So Chung's the next player up on the "Getting grossly overrated" list, apparently...

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Calling him a good in the box safety and liability isn't grossly overrating him. It's a fact. He's played his role quite well this season, but we've also seen him out of that role and look not so hot.

He is what he is, and the coaching has done a good job to protect him (and the defense) from himself. He's not DMC but he's also not Merriweather, and he probably is playing his role better than Gregory played his specific role, so far.

He's been an improvement for the defense, IMO.

A "pleasant surprise" is a fitting description for Chung, lets hope it lasts. This defense has been excellent for the most part at not allowing big plays passing or running.

strngplyr said:

Calling him a good in the box safety and liability isn't grossly overrating him. It's a fact. He's played his role quite well this season, but we've also seen him out of that role and look not so hot.

He is what he is, and the coaching has done a good job to protect him (and the defense) from himself. He's not DMC but he's also not Merriweather, and he probably is playing his role better than Gregory played his specific role, so far.

He's been an improvement for the defense, IMO.

A "pleasant surprise" is a fitting description for Chung, lets hope it lasts. This defense has been excellent for the most part at not allowing big plays passing or running.

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Many of us were talking about the addition of Revis leading to the ability of the Patriots to play the S2 in a limited role and limit that player's liability. In other words, we were discussing ways for the Patriots to cover for the suck of the S2.

That's what we're seeing here. This isn't a Chung resurgence. He's still the same player he was.

Deus Irae said:

Many of us were talking about the addition of Revis leading to the ability of the Patriots to play the S2 in a limited role and limit that player's liability. In other words, we were discussing ways for the Patriots to cover for the suck of the S2.

That's what we're seeing here.

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We could argue that our S2 role has changed though, I don't have access to NFL Game rewind, but how often has Chung been asked to play a half of the defensive backfield?

The only time I can openly recall seeing him deep is when he's manned up against an RB or TE, and he's actually shown decent coverage at time in those scenarios. He's mostly been used inside the box and he's played well there.

The thread is about Chung's play. He's exceeded expectations (not that that was difficult considering he was considered a camp body by most).

And it doesn't matter if his liabilities are being covered or not, there are specific things he's being asked to do, and when he's not being asked to do them, another safety is on the field. The coaches are limiting his role for a reason, the only knock on him so far is that he isn't a 3 down safety.

But like I said, we're discussing Chung doing his job, and doing it well. Until his job becomes a fulltime safety and he starts screwing it up, this thread is accurate.

Our S2 spot has not been the problem. It's mostly been bad schemes and LB inability to cover Tight Ends, and in some cases, the other team just executing well.

Tavon Wilson is an example of that, he had outstanding coverage on Scott Chandler today and it just didn't matter. Gronkowski does it to players on a regular basis. Edelman does it. We've seen it for the past 14 seasons with Brady threading needles to players who aren't open.

Sometimes plays happen. It doesn't happen against us NEARLY as much as we do it to other teams.

strngplyr said:

We could argue that our S2 role has changed though, I don't have access to NFL Game rewind, but how often has Chung been asked to play a half of the defensive backfield?

The only time I can openly recall seeing him deep is when he's manned up against an RB or TE, and he's actually shown decent coverage at time in those scenarios. He's mostly been used inside the box and he's played well there.

The thread is about Chung's play. He's exceeded expectations (not that that was difficult considering he was considered a camp body by most).

And it doesn't matter if his liabilities are being covered or not, there are specific things he's being asked to do, and when he's not being asked to do them, another safety is on the field. The coaches are limiting his role for a reason, the only knock on him so far is that he isn't a 3 down safety.

But like I said, we're discussing Chung doing his job, and doing it well. Until his job becomes a fulltime safety and he starts screwing it up, this thread is accurate.

Our S2 spot has not been the problem. It's mostly been bad schemes and LB inability to cover Tight Ends, and in some cases, the other team just executing well.

Tavon Wilson is an example of that, he had outstanding coverage on Scott Chandler today and it just didn't matter. Gronkowski does it to players on a regular basis. Edelman does it. We've seen it for the past 14 seasons with Brady threading needles to players who aren't open.

Sometimes plays happen. It doesn't happen against us NEARLY as much as we do it to other teams.

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I don't agree with your premise regarding level of play. I agree with the role change of the S2 on this team. Again, that's something we discussed on the board a while back.

Deus Irae said:

I don't agree with your premise regarding level of play. I agree with the role change of the S2 on this team. Again, that's something we discussed on the board a while back.

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That's fine, we'll agree to disagree, I just think that you're selling Chung slightly short on his play in the new S2 role on early downs.